Anyone wanting a window into the rest of the country outside our nice little middle class IT bubble, turn on 5Live now. One woman has just said she doesn't care how MPs vote, she'll be leaving the EU regardless.
Just heard Farage on the telly going on about a second referendum without frothing at the mouth. As much as he's a loathsome character he usually has his ear to the ground so this made my ears prick up.
Anyone wanting a window into the rest of the country outside our nice little middle class IT bubble,
Oh? Where’d the 48% come from? They can’t all be in here.
she’ll be leaving the EU regardless.
I need more details! How did she propose doing that? Will she be operating on WTO rules from now on?
So she's on board with the old plan of just telling everyone who voted leave that we've left and calling it job jobbed? Capital. We really should have done it two years ago, we would have saved ourselves an awful lot of aggro.
Some lovely quotes, by lovely I mean effin retarded, from Gove on R4:
we face either a no-deal Brexit, with the short-term economic damage that would bring, or worse: no Brexit at all
He really is an unctuous little speccy toad. I hate him so much. Out of all the line up of loathsome creatures from the brexit saga he definitely stands out. Hang on though what about leadsom, Johnson, Raab, Davies, may etc. Spoilt for choice really
So she’s on board with the old plan of just telling everyone who voted leave that we’ve left and calling it job jobbed? Capital. We really should have done it two years ago, we would have saved ourselves an awful lot of aggro.
Is it when Comrade calls vote of no confidence and there's a general election if they can't get their shit together in 14 days
does she still get to call when the election happens ? Because that could be December the 25th 2019 from what I read if the rules of calling a general election under those circumstances are followed ...we could have left a long time before a GE
One woman has just said she doesn’t care how MPs vote, she’ll be leaving the EU regardless.
Good, because when the UK is still in the EU she’ll have to **** off somewhere else. Don’t let the door hit you on your gammony arse....
If I was PM I would revoke Article 50 but tell the proles that we'd left Europe anyway.
And in other news, I have FINALLY clicked what Bandersnatch was all about. Very clever !
This is mays get out.
At Dunkirk we got our arses kicked.
We regrouped , got a plan together got some backing and a few years later we were back rescuing the mainland.
Brexit is exactly the same. We've probed the enemies defences and been repulsed. We now know what we are up against. We shall revoke article 50 and once we have overcome all the obstacles, even if it takes 10 years we shall have a brexit fit for Britain not one imposed on us by the eu.
May will look all patriotic ,the gammon's won't be able to argue against that.
Then hopefully the whole thing will just go away.
My MP has put a notice up on his website saying he wont be replying to any more Brexit emails & he'll be voting for the deal anyway (hes an original toady thats never voted against the government)
The head in the sand tactic is the same he used at the last GE where his majority fell by 7000 votes
I have sent him an email to express my displeasure
Some lovely quotes, by lovely I mean effin retarded, from Gove on R4:
we face either a no-deal Brexit, with the short-term economic damage that would bring, or worse: no Brexit at all
He really is an unctuous little speccy toad. I hate him so much. Out of all the line up of loathsome creatures from the brexit saga he definitely stands out. Hang on though what about leadsom, Johnson, Raab, Davies, may etc. Spoilt for choice really
I was listening to this on my way to work.
There was so much drivel in that interview, but I couldn't stop listening. It was like some morbid obsession.
The icing on the cake was the stroppy 'No, no, no, no, nooo' when he was being challenged, and the blatant time wasting.
It was at around 8:30- you can find it in here somewhere
good read here on what happens next
Interesting that Kate Hoey believes that a second vote would have a bigger leave majority...
Not really Kate Hooey talks a lot of crap
I was more referring to how deluded & how much her head is in the sand.
Just a slight side note, to leave my echo chamber I've started to follow a few leave people on Twitter. Now, the right are always accusing the left of violence. However the only violence I have seen or threats I've seen are from the right.
Am I not left enough? Or is it that the left is more peaceful & the right uses threats, violence & aggression a lot more?
Or is it that the left is more peaceful & the right uses threats, violence & aggression a lot more?
I believe the accepted method is that the right oppresses the ordinary people until they can stand no more. There is then a flashpoint where the ‘forces of law and order’ claim they were fired at first......
Although these days I’m not sure the police are onside with the Tories. This is the depth to which they have slipped.
We do need to be careful in here, though. Just heard a depressing vox pop from Harlow - there’s another place that needs nuking from space and starting over. The level of ignorance and misplaced arrogance out there in the Littlest of Little England is terrifying.
I was absolutely gobsmacked at a recent chanel 4 news piece from Barrow. They've basically swallowed, hook, line and sinker, the narrative that the area they live in is shit (and dear god, its grim!) because everything is the fault of the EU.
Thats understandable given decades of relentless press hostility, but what I really don't get this airy assertion that 'we'll be fine'. Really? What evidence are you basing that on? It really won't be fine. At all! Especially for an area like yours, where the only funding or investment you'll have seen for the last 3 decades will have come from Brussels
Predictions are always wrong… you can't trust them… but of course some are far more wrong than others…
https://twitter.com/duncanweldon/status/1079294495253057536?s=21
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Compare OBR (project fear mongers) with Minford's Liverpool Research Group (the Brexitiers only source of optimism about postBrexit Britain - minus farming and manufacturing of course). Now, who should you trust least?
Just had a nice burger and beer in Wetherspoons. I’ll post up some pics from their magazine on the table..... 8-0
Am I missing something here? Two ammendments on the backstop simialr to the Murrison ammendment have been seslected, but they both directly go against the withdrawal agreement, so are basically irrelevant as EU wont accept them? I assume it means we have a siuation (if the deal gets voted through) that we have a deal that has gone through Parliment, but isnt the EU deal, so May has to go to Brussels and say "this is what I've got through, its differnet to what we agreed, will you accept it;" at which point Brussels says 'no' and we are in limbo with event more time wasting?
Interesting that Kate Hoey believes that a second vote would have a bigger leave majority…
Kate Hoey does talk a load of hooey on most things, but I have a sneaking suspicion she may be correct on this one. Or at least that it would be again, too close to call.
Was it only a few months ago the Tories were trying to stab Bercow in the back?
I think they may just have had an object lesson in never kicking heads if they can kick back. 🙂
(Referring to the amendments selected)
Am I missing something here? Two ammendments on the backstop simialr to the Murrison ammendment have been seslected, but they both directly go against the withdrawal agreement, so are basically irrelevant as EU wont accept them? I assume it means we have a siuation (if the deal gets voted through) that we have a deal that has gone through Parliment, but isnt the EU deal, so May has to go to Brussels and say “this is what I’ve got through, its differnet to what we agreed, will you accept it;” at which point Brussels says ‘no’ and we are in limbo with event more time wasting?
Thats how I read it too... Tabled by a Brexiter, assuming it gets voted through it basicaly kills mays deal dead, leaving what, no deal crash out or reamain?
It might inadvertently strengnthen the reamin position.
We live in interesting times.
What deal could we have if may allowed free movement of people?
We wouldn't be in the eu so no one could moan about it.
At Dunkirk we got our arses kicked.
We regrouped , got a plan together got some backing and a few years later we were back rescuing the mainland.
Er not quite, we and our close allies defeated the Nazis. We couldn't do it alone, we were too small to compete. Demonstrates the value of working together doesn't it?
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/euref2-poll-of-polls//blockquote >
Fine, but look at the number of remain favouring polls in the run-up to the referendum.
cant disagree that they were all over the place before the ref but yougov polls there have been way more consistant over the last 2 years than the year b4 ref
Admit it though, you'd be bricking it all the way up to the vote...my fear is that the arguments against EU membership (or lies, depending on your grasp of reality), will still be as potent, but with the added spice of 'Our politicians are betraying us, let's send them a message they can't ignore'.
My personal preference is lots of shenanigans leading to a long extension of A50 then, finally a second ref. Adjusts the demographic a bit further through 'natural wastage', hopefully.
my fear is that the arguments against EU membership (or lies, depending on your grasp of reality), will still be as potent, but with the added spice of ‘Our politicians are betraying us, let’s send them a message they can’t ignore’.
Yep I just don' think you can sale 'remain' once you've opened the fantasy box.
I'm all for shenanigans +extension +second ref.
With proper controls on what can/can't be said/fact checking and and actual concrete "this is the conditions of leaving the EU" type of choice.
So everyone knows their options, I'm sick of ****ing fantasy unicorns.
And I sell that idea to Brexiters by telling them that I don't like the EU, but I voted remain as it was the least-worst option, if you can show me a deal that I reckon is a good compromise/I'd be happy with*, then I'd vote leave.
*I'm pretty sure that's impossible, given our current "deal" of being one of the "big" members of the EU with all the rights/responsibiliites/privledges that come with it, but I'm happy to keep an open mind until the details are there and I can make an informed decision 😉
Former Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab says the deal involves "the most severe and enduring risk for our democracy, economy and stifles opportunities of Brexit".
He says the Northern Ireland backstop is "undemocratic", and the deal would be the UK "giving up control" to the EU.
The EU would wield all the negotiating leverage in further negotiations, Mr Raab adds, noting the deal is "so demeaning it would torment us for the foreseeable future".
He says what he fears most is "the drain the deal would have on our economy", and that he will not sign up to that.
"The deal is racked with self-doubt, defeatism and fear," Mr Raab says, noting that he votes for Brexit but not for this deal.
If only you had been able to influence the deal some how... If only there was such a role as Brexit secretary... Oh hang on...
How stupid do these people think we are?
I had exactly the same outside Parliament yesterday when David Davies (the welsh one) tried to look clever during an interview by asking me which political party is elected to run the EU - he really didn't like it when I explained to him that isn't how it works.
A second ref is dangerous, too many voters don't understand what no deal means and there has been no attempt to call out the lies. Then the issue of how social media is going to be swamped by lies in the run up. Too much money has been stacked to fail now.
i see that, somewhat prophetically, Doughnuts have been delivered to downing street. By an armed police officer..
I have to admit to enjoying the contribution of Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox
He's like a beardless Brain Blessed 😀
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/geoffrey-cox-attacks-mps-children-2431243
too many voters don’t understand what no deal means
On the Guardian feed of today's activity...
Closer to the gates of the palace, Philip Hodson, 60, from Newmarket in Suffolk, stood holding a placard reading: “Uphold our English constitution.”
“I hope the outcome will be no deal, and that’s the most important thing,” he said. “We should leave straight away and then Europe will come looking for us for a deal.
The mind boggles.
https://twitter.com/damiengayle/status/1085195790170112000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
i see that, somewhat prophetically, Doughnuts have been delivered to downing street. By an armed police officer..
That's not a patch on Trumps McD's delivery.
It would be very fitting if they'd order a load of Tobby Carveries in.
Doughnuts have been delivered to downing street
Let's not forget May couldn't campaign as she is a diabetic.
Suicide by doughnut.
No need for that.
