Welcome to post-Brexit Britain.
At least it’s created unity. The leaders of both main parties want us to end up like Venezuela
The no deal thing is just a bluff to make the chicken-shit tory rebels and labour wets all vote for May's shitty deal.
Indeed. Aren’t we just postponing the inevitable. Both party leaders know that when push comes to shove, the mental Brexiteer tory’s will break from the party, and the sane members of the Labour Party (who are thankfully in the majority) will break with their unhinged, clueless leadership, because the alternative ‘no deal’ outcome is just unthinkable?
The irony being that those going for no deal will be a bunch of Marxists like Jezza and John McDonnel, in Union with the far right brextreemists like IDS, David Davis and John Redwood
You couldn’t make it up
May cancelled the vote on her deal and pulled out of TV debate because she know's there aren't as many wet Labour votes as no-deal Tory fanatics. She also knows that both remain and no deal are more popular with voters than her deal. So her real choice is remain or no-deal Brexit. She's investing in the latter which makes it more likely.
Yep my wife used it too and it was very good. Got result within 3 hours (and £65). Guess it won’t be as smooth for her mother who hasn’t worked for 40 years so the true test is how hard they make it to prove you have been here (Windrush anyone)
This annoy the absolute shit out of me, my wife has been here for 8 years - spent close to 100k on university fees, food, accommodation - got a good job, is married to a British citizen and has to pay 3k to get permanent residence. On top of the 6k of visa fees she has paid already. She has contributed more to the UK economy and cost less to the country than 95 percent of EU nationals living here.
EU applicants should be paying the same as everyone else.
I hope no one here with a European wife, were one of the ignoramuses who kicked off when I piped up about income requirements for marriage visas on here.
EU applicants should be paying the same as everyone else.
They pay the same as anyone else for citizenship. But until now they didn't need it. So why do other people have to jump through such hoops? Bloody good question. Maybe we just don't like foreigners?
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**** this ****ing shit forum. How on earth do you link to a picture on this piece of shit now?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.
I had a chat with an Englishman who lives nearby this morning. He's pacsé with a French national and has kids born in France. He applied for French nationality just after the Brexit vote result, has spent 100e on formalities to obtain French nationality and as he's heard nothing should get a passport shortly. Cheap, easy. It would be nice if that were reciprocated by the UK.
They pay the same as anyone else for citizenship. But until now they didn’t need it. So why do other people have to jump through such hoops? Bloody good question. Maybe we just don’t like foreigners?
65 for settlement then a grand or so for citizen ship.
Compared with my wife having to pay 2k * 2 for FLR, 3k for settlement and 1k or so for citizenship.
There shouldn't be a difference.
I understand your frustrations but EU citizenship is what the eng.. british want to surrender. EU nationals came here because they shared EU citizenship (that was the point of the EU) and in fairness to the government, they recognise this and international law backs the EU citizens up.
Post brexit, any eu citizen coming here will face the same obstacles as you're wife.
EU applicants should be paying the same as everyone else.
EU applicants should be paying the same as everyone else.
I didn't pay anything. Zero. Zilch. Born overseas, but with English parents and my dad in the right job. Everyone else should pay the same. Zero.
That we have a Home Office deliberately making life hard for most non-nationals has nothing to do with the EU. Living and working in a country you were not born in shouldn't only be for the rich.
And again, for the thousandth time, he can’t be seen as going against the referendum vote so has to go along with going for Brexit.
Why not? I think he can and he should - I don't think there's much doubt that the current will of the people apropos leaving the EU is at least reasonably contentious, and the original result was hardly conclusive so there's nothing to lose from him saying "let's have a think about this". The whole "80% voted for pro-Brexit parties" line is a terrifying turn of events.
And I will say once again (for the thousandth time) the politicians can end this disaster without a second vote.
And I will say once again (for the thousandth time) the politicians can end this disaster without a second vote
This times many^
Cameron started it with a bet. Parliament approved the bet and it went ahead. The bet was lost. Parliament then honoured the bet and, despite no plan whatsoever, approved article 50.
2 years down the line we are in a parlous state because of politicians and politics. Politicians started it and politicians can finish it. If they get caned at the polls as a result, that is their problem. Putting it back to a referendum is a massive welch - why should I and the UK go through all that sh*t again to put right what was screwed up by Westminster? With the added bonus that there is a very good, very real, chance it could come out worse.
No, parliament needs to strap a cock on and man up.
After the British Chamber of Commerce Director warned against the effects of a no deal brexit, the Express found a flower market trader who said we have survived worse. Don't panic Theresa it is just scare mongering. Is this the level of business support for a no deal brexit?
UK gov gagging pharmaceutical companies
May gets GLOWING ENDORSEMENT for Brexit no deal from Britons - 'We got over worse!'
Ill just leave this here saves clicking the link.
Why not? I think he can and he should – I don’t think there’s much doubt that the current will of the people apropos leaving the EU is at least reasonably contentious, and the original result was hardly conclusive so there’s nothing to lose from him saying “let’s have a think about this”. The whole “80% voted for pro-Brexit parties” line is a terrifying turn of events.
1. Why Not? Democracy, enemy of the people, typical Labour going against democracy etc, etc,.
2. You don't think there is much doubt people have changed their mind - great, let's get rid of voting all together and just guess what people want or think.
3. Nothing to lose - see response to Why Not?
Politics and the media around it are a game that has to be played. The game here is put in 6 tests that can't be met, vote against Mays deal, vote against No Deal, revoke A50 - job done while not getting any black marks, loss of votes etc,.
Apparently May has written a letter which has been published in the Daily Express saying we should put aside our differences over Brexit. Which basically means us Remainers should just keep our mouths shut, give up the fight and accept the leavers position.
I hope she chokes on a brussel sprout
Apparently May has written a letter which has been published in the Daily Express saying we should put aside our differences over Brexit. Which basically means us Remainers should just keep our mouths shut, give up the fight and accept the leavers position.
No, never. If any kind of Brexit happens we are looking at a minimum ten years of economic failure. I will not forgive and I will not forget.
And if anyone who voted Leave says “but I didn’t vote for this then the bombers will come out”.
Apparently May has written a letter which has been published in the Daily Express saying we should put aside our differences over Brexit.
She's been droning on about the country comping together since she took office. It's not going to happen.
Corbyns position is looking increasingly unsuatainable now that he's shown his true Bexiteer colours. I expect that as the cliff-edge draws nearer then his MP's will erupt into open revolt. Again. But this time he won't have his fabled 'membership' on his side because they are pro-remain by a huge majority, and this issue trumps everything else as its consequences are so far-reaching for the very people the labour party claims to represent.
A good article by Will Hutton in yersterdays Observor
Labour’s leadership is at rock bottom – it won’t be forgiven for conniving in a rightwing Brexit
1. Why Not? Democracy, enemy of the people, typical Labour going against democracy etc, etc,.
Bullshit. Less than two percent margin, absolutely no problem in seeking clarity.
2. You don’t think there is much doubt people have changed their mind – great, let’s get rid of voting all together and just guess what people want or think.
Well, here's an idea, Sherlock - have a vote and find out.
3. Nothing to lose – see response to Why Not?
Ditto.
Politics and the media around it are a game that has to be played. The game here is put in 6 tests that can’t be met, vote against Mays deal, vote against No Deal, revoke A50 – job done while not getting any black marks, loss of votes etc,.
Tick, tock, as the man says. This is not a game, the clock is running, and it seems his aim is vastly different to mine and 60% of 2016 Labour voters.
And if anyone who voted Leave says “but I didn’t vote for this then the bombers will come out”.
But we don't know what Brexit voters actually want. My self and every remain voter and MP have every right to disagree with Mays Brexit deal, but leave voters and MP's do not.
What we want is a right proper brexity brexit, a big juice Christmas brexit with all the trimmings, not this stale limp dried out tasteless brexit May has put on the table.
I hope she chokes on a brussel sprout
Waste of a sprout
May is now effectively having a high stakes game of chicken with both Parliament and the EU. Which as we all know is the perfect way to run a country. Especially as everyone knows it'll be her who blinks first. She always does.
Whats scary is that the Tories will obviously dissolve into open warfare, but I can't see the Labour party not doing the same, as the Leader is now at odds with pretty much all his MP's, but also the majority of its voters and pretty much its entire membership. And that just isn't sustainable any more.
I've got one mate who's an out and out Corbynite. A party member who voted for him twice and who is now absolutely raging about Jezzas stance this week. She's not alone. The hypocracy at the top of labour is unbelievable. Policy is being dictated by an inner circle of old school, anti-EU lefties like Len McCluskey who clearly don't give a toss what anyone else in the party thinks.
If you think that the labour party has been uselss so far (being genoerous in my opinion) that may be about to get a lot worse as it resorts to infighting. Under any other circumstance it would be funny to see the fabled 'membership' round on their messiah, but its the last thing the country needs right now.
We could now aproach the deadline with both main parties leadership fighting their own internal factions like rats in a sack while the country aproacheds the cliff edge.
Something to look forward to eh?
But we don’t know what Brexit voters actually want.
I'm pretty sure we do, the really Brexitty Brexiters say "out means out". I'm quite sure that is precisely what they voted for. No vestigial links with the EU, the good ship Brittania sailing alone to a glorious future. Of course that's the worst possible outcome and should be consigned to every sensible persons "definitely not" list. Which leaves deal or no Brexit. Deal means we are still tied into the single market with whatever conditions the EU apply and no place around the decision making table. If we stay we keep all that AND have influence on the future direction of the EU. Plus we get to stick it to Putin, Trump, Banks, Bannon, the ERG and all those other little shits we know are manipulating this tissue of lies for their own benefit.
But we don’t know what Brexit voters actually want
Was oddly thinking about this, as ya do.
Taking back control and regaining sovereignty was one but tbh I’m still wondering how I’ll be able to excercise my control and sovereignty in the real world.
I reckon Mays pushing hard on no deal panic and running the clock down.
Taking back control and regaining sovereignty was one but tbh I’m still wondering how I’ll be able to excercise my control and sovereignty in the real world.
YOU won't. But this has never been about YOU.
This is not a game,
It shouldn't be, but it very much is. You have to balance not being the enemy of the people while still getting a result that is against the vote.
If Corbyn had said sod the result, I am going to ignore it, what do you actually think would have been achieved and how would the position we are currently in be any different?
I’m pretty sure we do, the really Brexitty Brexiters say “out means out”. I’m quite sure that is precisely what they voted for. No vestigial links with the EU, the good ship Brittania sailing alone to a glorious future
I don't think even hard core brexity Brexiters voted thinking we we have no links. They thought we could decide all the links and pull all the strings because remember they need us more than we need them. Negotiators just had to turn up in Brussels with king sized union jacks and blast out land of hope and glory to all and sundry and Europe would be quaking.
Spoke to my 80-odd year old Aunt the other day. She voted leave because she didn't want to take laws from other countries.
So, she's all for hard Brexit, no matter what the cost. I did try and suggest that losing our biggest trading partner was going to lead to economic hardship for the foreseeable, she wasn't to be swayed.
…while still getting a result that is against the vote.
You still don't get it… Corbyn, McCluskey et al want Brexit. The only game is keeping others in the Labour movement quiet or sidelined until it has happened, or is so close that it can't be stopped.
YOU won’t. But this has never been about YOU.
pretty much the same as all the exciting things I’ll be able to do once we’re out 🙂
I think May deal will get through.
Now we know that Corbyn won't fight for Remain, MPs will go for her deal rather than no deal..
I'm not convinced. Still plenty of Tory nutters and Labour MPs who still see some way of getting red unicorns instead of blue ones.
Extra cash will sort out the Dup, and knighthoods some Tories. Job done.
I think May deal will get through
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I've always thought this likely, and by new year it will be more so. Panicking mp's, stock market crash, businesses screaming. No deal fear turned up to 11. All anticipated and 'planned' by may. She's a total shit.
All anticipated and ‘planned’ by may. She’s a total shit.
i'm pretty sure she'll find a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. she's a total disaster.
I hope so, I really do.
Total shit and total disaster, what an epitaph.
Total shit and total disaster
It's not Mays fault the fault is standing idly by
theres this french bloke who has had to make a massive u turn because the people basically said **** you mate and handed him is ass on a plate.
If Corbyn had said sod the result, I am going to ignore it, what do you actually think would have been achieved and how would the position we are currently in be any different?
I don't think he would say "sod the result" - I do think, being a politician, he could term it in such a way that a second referendum would at least be on the table. As it is, he seems to be trying to force it off...
But we’re British and we don’t do that sort of thing 🙂
