‘Bloody difficult woman’ - (I can’t for the life of me remember who used that phrase 😉 )
Ken Clarke (the only Tory I have any time for). Maybe Corbyn should have called her that as the precedent was already set.
The 😉 was supposed to convey that i know exactly who said it - and while Ken Clarke may have also said it, she said it about herself.
Would be top comedy if he rolled up next time and called her that.....
It's a good post, and you make good points. But as a final one don't believe the hype that campaigning to remain or stop the process is not accepting the initial result.
It happened, it's a matter of record. The government to date has not come up with an acceptable method of leaving and is trying to force people into an unwelcome compromise that satisfies nobody.
That made me smile, Binners, maybe there is space for humour here. 🙂
That made me smile, Binners, maybe there is space for humour here. 🙂
Are we playing the which thread was that for game this Christmas 😉
I think the key thing here, is the people who didn’t vote, we can presume they wished to stay, as the didn’t care enough to want to leave, so it’s actually a minority, a very loud vocal minority who are leading us down this path.
Hmmm, an interesting idea, but I think the whole point of a vote is that there is no real room for "presumption".
Voters are asked a question and they answer, if people don't answer you can't just say "Oh they must already be happy with the status quo" because one of the voting options was essentially to positively confirm that...
If another referendum were to be called, maybe we should just "go Aussie" for this particular one, and have people bloody well made to vote!
And possibly we say this time the winning vote needs to have the backing of at least 51% of all registered voters to be applied?
It's sort of too important to have ~1/3rd of the voting age population silent on the topic... Brexit hasn't actually happened yet, it's already been incredibly divisive and we never actually established if it was the true "Will of the people" by majority...
So it looks like Putin is against a 2nd Referendum...
Nice that he's concerned about undermining our democracy...
Let’s see how the high street changes, the shop fronts across the country could become a darker place.
Except for betting shops... And game they seem to survive everysingle thing
Sobering reading..
Customs
31.
In case of no deal, will goods coming from the UK to the EU/EU to the UK be considered as imports/exports as of 30 March 2019?
As of 30 March 2019, goods which are brought into the customs
territory of the European Union from the United Kingdom or are to be taken out of that territory for transport to the United Kingdom, are subject to customs supervision and may be subject to customs controls in accordance with the Union Customs Code. This implies inter alia that customs formalities apply,
declarations have to be lodged and customs authorities may require guarantees for potential or existing customs debts.
How can May go on about the 'dangers' of a second referendum, when they are preparing troops for no-deal?
How can she go on about 'undermining democracy' when she conducted all her Brexit planning in private so no-one had any oversight, and refused to let anyone debate what the plan should be?
Because she's a stupid woman.
Because she’s a stupid woman.
I hope you just mumbled that under your breath.
I've lost count of teh times I've seen Donald Trump described as a "dangerous man". Surely that's sexist too. Donald is dangerous man and TM is stupid woman, are we no longer allowed to state facts without being accused of sexism?
Anyhow as much as I detest Corbyn I believe he said "stupid people", it's very much in people's language now as it's been popularised by Trump.
She is a woman who is behaving very stupidly, it's not sexist.
Speaking of stupid people
Every now & again I like to have a dip into Daniel Hannans predictions of what brexit will look like in the future...
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
How did he know that we'd nail all the trade talks in 12mths ? Spooky ! 😂😂
Every now & again I like to have a dip into Daniel Hannans predictions of what brexit will look like in the future…
Jesus wept!
As we left the EU, we straightened our backs, looked about us, and realised that we were still a nation to be reckoned with: the world’s fifth economy and fourth military power, one of five members on the UN Security Council and a leading member of the G7 and the Commonwealth
But we're already those things he listed, quite possibly due to being part of the EU.
The guy's absolute scum and will never be forgiven for his lies and deceit
To lighten the mood . was sent this earlier by our it guys and made me chuckle
Q: With Britain leaving the EU how much space will be created on the EU Servers
A: Exactly 1GB
42% of gilet jaune vote Le Pen and a lot of the rest extreme left.
What percentage of the electorate are gilet jaune?
What percentage of the electorate are gilet jaune?
I doubt it is very much different from here - a numerically insignificant shouty mob with a disproportionate shouty volume and a disproportionate amount of airtime as and when it suits the media.
Exactly 1GB
Actual LOL 😂
I’m starting to quite like james O’brien
A rare outspoken voice of sanity in the media. Not so keen on his interview style but totally dig his monologues.
A tiny proportion of the French population are out in their gilets, a few more have them on the dashboards (still very small minority around here). But a lot of people are sympathetic to their cause. I've heard around 70% quoted on TV and radio (Europe 1 and local TV). There's a general feeling that the poor are being heavily taxed while the super rich and big corporates pay no tax at all in France. I'm in the 70% . Macron either addresses the problem or Le Pen and Mélenchon gain votes.
On the corporates he's going to have to go it alone and risk a fight with the EU. That's where it could get interesting as Ireland, UK, Malta, luxembourg are currently enabling the tax optimisation of big corporates and will resist change. But change has to come if the EU is to survive the populist drives against the EU in many countries.
I’m starting to quite like james O’brien
I’m continuing to quite like Anna Soubry.
I'm finding myself quite liking Rory Stewart, nice lad for a Tory. Intelligent to boot, I like the way you can see his cogs whirring when questioned like my Maths professor on my evening course - unlike a lot of the other political drones.
I can't say that I'm surprised that a Cambridge professor didn't know the difference between the single market and the customs union though.
People need to start listening to intelligent establishment types like Rory again.
That LBC interview ^^^ is about the only Brexit debate I’ve heard where 2 people actually bothered to listen to each other and discuss rather than parroting sound bites at each other. More of that please.
At LAST, a Brexit discussion instead of a Brexit shout in yer face. I like James - I also like Rory.
J O'B is a decent broadcaster. But he's a bit too tough sometimes on his callers.
His centrist (holier than thou) attitude towards his 'facts' gets a bit grating. That said he's a good listen. I've learned a lot from him.
According to the Grauniad polling is now showing clear support for remain
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/polls-stay-eu-yougov-brexit-peoples-vote
I wonder why they are so adamant about a second vote?
anyone been back to the start of this thread. Interesting reading with hindsight.
Yes I've checked back on a few posts johnba
A shame that a lot of the Brexiteers predicting sunlit uplands have legged it.
According to the Grauniad polling is now showing clear support for remain
A bit strange that the article doesn't cover a no deal brexit, just May's deal vs remain.
Edit: That's because the opinion poll doesn't cover no deal brexit. Seems a waste of time then.
Agree with the above regarding J O’B. Don’t necessarily agree with all he says but he always has a well defined point.
Also thought RS came across well again. I dislike most Tories but he is always worth a listen. A sensible discussion of which we need much more of.
BBC are just reporting that the government has removed the word ‘unlikely’ from all documents referring to no deal.
So their previous instructions to business beginning “in the unlikely event of a no deal Brexit....” now just refer to “in the event of a no deal Brexit...”
Well that’s confidence-inspiring, isn’t it?
Is this the point we're at now, so desperate for somebody to appear vaguely sensible that Tory ladder-climbers like him, happy to lie in a bid to convince, are the good guys?
Yep, that Rory Stewart.
Is that the best you’ve got, ninfan?
It's rather telling in our negotiations with Ireland over the border the normally junior country was able to tell us to do one with the backing of their club, for probably the first time in our shared history.
This more than anything else tells me our elected representatives need to show some statesmanship and, if need be, tell the children they can't have the sweeties on show at the WTC (world trade checkout). Time for the country's best interests to be served not their chances of re-election.
The same Rory Stewart that made up that 80%figure? I can’t believe a word of his after that
Edit
Thanks to the invisible page bug on this site I didn’t know my point was already mentioned above
Also thought RS came across well again. I dislike most Tories but he is always worth a listen.
Hardly - JOB gave him a list of ministers' lying and incompetence and he countered that anyway some remainers on Twitter had said rude things. He may speak quietly but he is still a nutter.
BBC are just reporting that the government has removed the word ‘unlikely’ from all documents referring to no deal.
So their previous instructions to business beginning “in the unlikely event of a no deal Brexit….” now just refer to “in the event of a no deal Brexit…”
Well that’s confidence-inspiring, isn’t it?
It is just a stunt to make May's deal look like the least worst option by upping the ante on No Deal. It will make a good TV drama in a few years.
If no deal becomes the only option in the new year, then I can see an extension or postponement of A50 happening. There is not enough time for the country to properly prepare for no deal before 29th March. For the Government to push ahead with the March leave date with no deal would be incredibly reckless and I doubt Parliament would allow it
But it will also help people realise No Deal really is not a good idea (for when May's deal gets rejected in January)
Not disputing that RS is a typical Tory but just think that in the face of the usual red faced shouting or absolute whoopers being presented as fact what we need is more sensible discussions, like the one these two had.
This, on current public opinion, is both unsurprising, but also a reminder about how hard it will be to get a referendum (or A50 delay/cancel), never mind win one, and why…
https://twitter.com/labour4eu/status/1075843296742858753?s=21
For the Government to push ahead with the March leave date with no deal would be incredibly reckless and I doubt Parliament would allow it
What makes you think the government wouldn't allow a "reckless" move in March, considering how most people who are up for that vote Conservative? And how do you think anyone else will stop them, if it goes to the wire?
"Look at this mess they've made, after 2 years of whipping to support them, we did make lots of noise in the final hour, but we couldn't stop them, it was too late. Vote for us."
Is this the point we’re at now, so desperate for somebody to appear vaguely sensible that Tory ladder-climbers like him, happy to lie in a bid to convince, are the good guys?
Which he immediately retracted? How often do politicians do that? I'm willing to let him slide on that.
I don't agree with DrJ either, he doesn't seem like a nutter. Not half as deranged as either Rees ****-face Mogg or Corbyn are. His points were sensible, even if you disagree.
He strikes me as a civilized old school one nation Tory, I can cope with people like him and Ken Clarke acting as the opposition.
