It is also in the withdrawal act (but then so is the Leave date). But, in fact, there is so much in that act, that it has a clause that allows the government to remove or rewrite anything in it. It's garbage. You're right that previous international agreements are far more important in informing what we do, so let's ignore the withdrawal act (everyone soon will be) and focus on the Belfast Agreement (everyone should have been for the last few years).
I’m surprised none of the rabid Brexiteers have spotted the obvious solution to the Irish border problem and suggested a military take over of the South. Kill several birds with one stone.
It was proposed by the DUP. Other solutions from this notable collection of thinkers also included Irexit in which Ireland also left the EU.
May was actually trolling Rees Mogg during her statement, thanking him for his kind suggestions on future customs arrangements
Bet she’s loving slapping the tedious Dickens-outtake down? 😂
Maybe Labour could make some radical suggestions for a new conception of our country that is only possible outside of the EU? What they've suggested in the past would be possible from within the EU, so no point in leaving really.
As the only options on the table seem to be:
Stay in EU (not awful, but the EU has lots of issues and we were doing pretty well... but we still had all the issues that caused this decision in the first place)
A worse "soft" brexit than we already had
A no deal brexit leading to a Victorian era Britain....
How about a no deal brexit leading to a much more equal and fair country?
Obviously that's all quite airy-fairy, but no-one is suggesting any options other than the status quo, a crapper version of that or a laissez-faire deregulated state.
How about a no deal brexit leading to a much more equal and fair country?
I think at this point we're only considering options which aren't fictional.
Obviously that’s all quite airy-fairy, but no-one is suggesting any options other than the status quo, a crapper version of that or a laissez-faire deregulated state.
As I've said since the start, this is part of the problem. The alternative to "leave" shouldn't be "remain," it should be "reform." Forget the status quo, stay in the EU but address the concerns which caused people to vote leave in the first place.
Net Migration over the last 20 years is the main driver of house price inflation which is why our children have little hope of owning a home unless they want a 300K mortgage.
and even with the govs target of 100K per year it wont get any better - we need a target of -100K per year.
Shock of Shock Migrants have ruined our housing market.
Net Migration over the last 20 years is the main driver of house price inflation which is why our children have little hope of owning a home unless they want a 300K mortgage.
Bollocks.
Lack of investment into building new houses and the banks printing / lending money is the main drivers of house price inflation.
Shock of Shock Migrants have ruined our housing market.
Shock of shocks, we've ruined our own housing market and are now blaming foreigners for it.
I think you'll find it's cashed up baby boomers with buy-to-let portfolios that have ****ed the housing market.
Here, read this rather than the Daily Express.
http://www.pricedout.org.uk/why
or this
https://positivemoney.org/issues/house-prices/
How about a no deal brexit leading to a much more equal and fair country?
That's always been Labour's policy, in or out.
Net Migration over the last 20 years is the main driver of house price inflation
It's also been the main enabler of economic growth. Without the migrants wed end up like Japan. And houses are expensive there along with everything else.
The problem is that we’ve had successive governments that have artificially inflated house prices so they can dress it up as economic growth, to disguise the fact that there isn’t any actual economic growth.
Baby Boomers spending their equity on shiny things is not a sustainable economic model, but... hey... those bloody immigrants eh? Bastards! It’s all their fault
Net long-term international migration was estimated to be +230,000 in year ending (YE) June 2017
165700 homes built in England (only) in 2017. Would it be safe to assume at least 2 people per house? That would be 331400 bedspaces ignoring Wales, Scotland and NI.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/house-building-statistics#2017
The street I used to live on was the traditional first home area in my town. The houses were always some of the cheapest and were bought and sold frequently as people moved up the ladder to be replaced by the next people starting out.
Since I moved about 6 years ago nearly every house has been bought by landlords to rent out, including my old one + neighbours both sides.
That's where your first time buyers houses have gone.
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Net Migration over the last 20 years is the main driver of house price inflation which is why our children have little hope of owning a home unless they want a 300K mortgage.
and even with the govs target of 100K per year it wont get any better – we need a target of -100K per year.
Shock of Shock Migrants have ruined our housing market.
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This attitude driven by years of tabloid lies is why we are in this mess.
Just a couple of questions that the more enlightened contributors may wish to give their views on.
Who needs to build the ‘hard border’ between the Republic and the Uk?
What asset do you need to build ‘Housing’ and who controls that asset?
What is wrong with immigration either seasonal or long term?
Is there a prize for a quiz?
Hard border? Nobody needs to build it as nobody should be building it.
Housing? Aggregates of some sort
Immigration? Nothing at all
Worn 7 speed drive train with twist shifters
chestrockwell - I bet those landlords are all foreign though.... :):):)
I'm off here on Tuesday - https://www.nepic.co.uk/event/eu-exit-events-for-the-chemicals-and-allied-industries/
I'm hoping that a lot of 'grown-ups' have been thinking of ways of dealing with complicated and tedious things like regulations (that don't easily fit on the side of a bus...). Maybe some brexiteers will also be present to wave flags and offer their expert advice... I'm not holding my breath though.
I’m hoping that a lot of ‘grown-ups’ have been thinking of ways of dealing with complicated and tedious things like regulations.
Well I am sure they would have liked to, but they still don't know what exactly to plan for, so they will have to have many plans for many scenarios. I attended an event held by the Government for space industries last month frankly the only reason the government propagandists we not beaten to death was because they clearly knew they were lying, were rather embarrassed by what they were stating, but were forced to do so.
The hubris of this Government really knows no bounds, they are either lying, or trying to patronise, most frequently both, even when dealing with people with far more intellect and experience than them.
When they actually do go outside of the Westminster bubble, it is to the city of London finance bubble, they are completely ****ing clueless about any other aspect of reality.
That’s where your first time buyers houses have gone.
Round me in the 70s first time buyers could get small theee bed terrace. They had families but many never upgraded to the larger home. Now a first time buyer gets a crap studio or 1 bed which is so small they can’t really live in it. House builders are building and selling houses now that would not even have been looked at 30 years ago.
With no regulation on room size, poor build quality and massive asking prices people can get more for their buck by renting. While it used to be a lot cheaper to buy in some places it is now cheaper to rent.
I just had a quick browse of that link, this statement says it all really.
This is an opportunity for you to ask questions of policy officials, advise Government on the impact of EU Exit on your business and help to shape the negotiation and policy positions that will support the sector.
Maybe they should have done that before enacting article 50 the incompetent ignorant **** wits. Although I am sure mefty will be able explain why they were unable to plan for the negotiations before entering the negotiations.
House builders are building and selling houses now that would not even have been looked at 30 years ago.
They are also now actively marketing them as investment properties worldwide, because they know they have mined out the domestic market.
They are also now actively marketing them as investment properties worldwide,
Indeed and sadly the reason old council houses and some of the houses from the 70s are so popular is that the bedrooms are a good size and there is sometimes a garden not just an insult of space outside
Baby Boomers spending their equity on shiny things is not a sustainable economic model, but… hey… those bloody immigrants eh? Bastards! It’s all their fault
Oh, no, not this time, it's the fault of all those lazy privileged self-entitled Millennials for, y'know, expecting half the breaks that the Boomers got.
Net Migration over the last 20 years is the main driver of house price inflation
Interesting view.
I'd suggest it's perhaps more to do with Thatcher-era Tory-driven financial deregulation leading to pension funds being plundered in the interests of propping up share prices leading to a generation of homeowners realising that the rising equity in their homes was a much better prospect for comfortable retirement than their pensions were ever likely to be, and more homeowners since those homeowners piling in with the same idea and lots of homeowners doing the same thing many times over until there were no more new homeowners because homes were too expensive.
But you might be onto something.
I think you’ll find it’s cashed up baby boomers with buy-to-let portfolios that have **** the housing market.
That's equally bollocks.
I’d suggest it’s perhaps more to do with Thatcher-era Tory-driven financial deregulation leading to pension funds being plundered
House prices? Is there any subject this thread hasn't covered? 🙂
Anyway, I'm snot sure that's true either. The deregulation part is right, but it resulted in easy credit combined with a shortage of supply that caused prices to rocket. The beneficiaries, as always, were the banks. It's a good con trick too, because everyone who's house price sky-rocketed now thinks they're filthy rich, thanks to the tory policy of mass home-ownership. Until of course they realise that they (and their offspring) need to live somewhere so can't really free up that capital unless they're willing to go into massive debt. And who benefits from people being in massive debt? Again, the banks.
Not sure what the hell this has to do with brexit though? At least if the economy crashes we might see a readjustment to more sensible house prices and a collapse in the cheap debt market.
Not sure what the hell this has to do with brexit though?
Because it was another chance to blame immigrants for something that irks people.
And May's defence of her withdrawal deal and vague plan for the future yesterday boiled down to two things:
- blocking those immigrants from coming here
- …
Sorry, one thing.
But the EU statement clearly says that all 4 freedom must be respected.
The issues with the housing market are not due to immigrants or the baby boomers, they (mostly) did not understand the unsustainable situation they were in. The cause was really poor government management of the situation and outright greed.
Those two issues are still very much in evidence in the daily running of the country.
Getting back to Brexit.... I know that we're not meant to just accuse leavers of being a bunch of xenophobic, racist thicko's but sometimes it really is difficult. They're having the usual Brexit phone in that they have every other day on Five Live. While 'discussing' Mays deal some UKIPer has just stated that it amounts to treason and therefore she should be executed.
Raab now saying staying in the EU is better than May's Brexit deal
And that's only just occurred to him, has it? After he''s recovered from the bombshell that as an island we're quite dependent on our ports.
He's a bright lad, isn't he?
Like I said, I know that we’re not meant to just accuse leavers of being a bunch of xenophobic, racist thicko’s but sometimes........
Raab now saying staying in the EU is better than May’s Brexit deal
I would like to think 99% of people would realise that. If this was a personal deal you had with a company and got offered this you would just say no thanks I will stay as I am. People need to think of it like that rather than worrying about will of people, positions in government and so on.
Coyote - "Have you seen his suit? He is already doing that. How a man with so much money can dress so badly is completely beyond me."
Anyone who combines spots and stripes is deeply suspect. What is Saville Row coming to?
It's hardly his fault. That style was probably quite in vogue when his family bought it in the 1890s.
"I'll bite your your legs off."
She. Will. Never. Give. Up.
Anyway, talking about Knights…
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1065994139307778048?s=21
No deal Brexit is Undeliverable.
There's zero enthusiasm for that in parliament or the public, for good reasons that anyone with any sense knew about since before the referendum.
What we have now is May's deal which is catastrophic in terms of us being a rule taker with added ambiguity, or remain as we are.
I'm very interested to see the outcome of the Scottish case that's currently with the European Court of justice to decide whether we can unilaterally retract A50.
The ECJ has agreed to fast trac/prioritise it and it's being heard next week.
There’s zero enthusiasm for that in parliament or the public
You say that, but.
http://www.melaniephillips.com/brexiteers-start-promoting-no-deal-fast
Her argument appears to be that we already have a deal and are trying to leave with a deal, so we must stop that and leave without a deal so that we can start making a deal. Or something.
Or something.
SQUIRRELLLLLLLLLLLL
Or if we get what we wanted and it's shit it wasn't what we really wanted which was something different but it's not our fault we couldn't deliver it, really is somebody else fault.
And May has had to concede over Gibraltar as well. So by my reckoning thats every red line crossed. Every. Single. One.
Theresa May has given way to Madrid’s demands over the future of Gibraltar after the Spanish prime minister threatened to “veto” the Brexit deal due to be signed off by EU leaders on Sunday.
On the eve of Sunday’s special Brexit summit, the British ambassador to the EU, Sir Tim Barrow, wrote to concede that Gibraltar would not necessarily be covered by a future trade deal with the EU.
The development gives Spain a veto over Gibraltar benefiting from a future trade and security agreement between Brussels and the British government.
Some top trolling by the ERG
https://www.iaindale.com/articles/tory-mps-go-to-war-over-john-hayes-utter-cock-knighthood