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They’ll be getting it back out again soon to join the rest of them on the railways of the North West.
^^
What a sight though.
Vintage rolling stock with Spitfires barrel rolling overhead on their way to our aircraft carrier. Singular.
Makes you feel proud don't it?
Don't you yearn for the days when all we had to complain about was shitty rolling stock?
So Gove is backing May now apparently, what a total shit head he is. Flip flops more than a freshly landed fish.
I suspect that they'll all roll over, with just Johnson (Borris) clinging on to his principles 😜
So what's everyone's predictions now on an outcome?
same as it has always been, a fudge that means nobody is happy and we are worse off than we were before. With a 50/50 split not sure there can be any other outcome.
Yeh what Kerley said.
Potentially setting us us on the path to closer reintegration or further seperation depending on how the electorate is controlled.
It was always going to result in the UK losing ground. Not necessarily because we can’t make a success of it, at least in the long term. But more because we had 17 million versions of Brexit being voted for. And the sheer stupidity of the Leave campaign which never took responsibility for a post referendum plan on how to implement “the people’s will” That an an apparent clear lack of talent at Government level.
An attitude best seen with that ****er Boris who is OK to screw an entire nation over for personal political gain.
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So what’s everyone’s predictions now on an outcome?
The Dis-united Kingdom?
A wet dream for all the UK's traditional rivals/enemies, and our govt did it to itself.
Schadenfreude will be strong in the ex-colonies who will now have a whip hand in WTO negotiations.
I was thinking more ...will it be revolt or toe the line?
Nige has already been on tv I see saying how his amazing idea has been wrecked by others.
Oh Nige........
DUP leader on way to Westminster to congratulate May so the BBC says?
I assume that's what the NI version of a Glaswegian Kiss is?? 😁
NI version of a Glaswegian Kiss
So a political knee capping.
I struggle to see this agreement surviving daylight.
Voted down...
Not enough time to negotiate again...
There is no better deal...
No election...
Tory leadership battle...
David Davis wins...
Off the cliff we go...
So Gove is backing May now apparently
Yeah right. What's he holding in that hand behind his back?
I reckon there'll be more resignations coming.
Would Davis want it? We've seen how workshy he is when given an actual proper job to do.
Davis sees himself as the one to lead the Brexiteers to the promised land. He will step down as soon as the promised land (bottom of the cliff) is reached.
He is idle but six months as PM gets him a PM pension at £100k and a shit book deal.
Just to make sue the deal is absolutely and irretrievably sunk, this has just been leaked (BBC has details)
A leaked diplomatic note appears to show the EU's deputy chief negotiator saying Brussels would "retain all the controls" over the UK if this agreement goes through.
In the note, seen by the Times newspaper, Sabine Weyand said: "We should be in the best negotiation position for the future relationship.
"This requires the customs union as the basis of the future relationship.
"They must align their rules but the EU will retain all the controls. "They apply the same rules.
"UK wants a lot more from future relationship, so EU retains its leverage."
Damn, shame we haven't got negotiators like that working for us.lol
Pours benzin on the fire that doesn't it?
Yep, Nige just passed out and started twitching I reckon.
That settles it then...
Just heard a rep from the N.I. Godbothering Party confirming that they will vote against the deal because, in their view, “No deal is better than a ‘bad’ deal”.
Actually, stick an orange wig on that, it's a pretty fair approximation.
I'm not saying it's a cure all or anything but a second ref has got to be better than 50 % chance to take place now?
I'm not calling the vote mind, I'm still stunned at the stupidity of 17 million from the last one to rule out another cluster ****.....
Much as I'm loath to quote the bell-end who got into this shambles in the first place, his description of the Brexiteers some years ago was bang on:
"People who won't take yes for an answer"
I’m not calling the vote mind, I’m still stunned at the stupidity of 17 million from the last one to rule out another cluster
agreed
John curtice saying its only been a small swing to remain nationally
that 17m will still be swallowing the same old nonsense from the same conmen/women
if we did have a 2nd ref & remain won would also be a resyrgence in UKIP, especially at euro elections, where they could, ironically, damage the UK further with their idiotic politics...
sigh..........
A fair few of them will have died in the meantime, of course. But still I wouldn't trust the electorate to give a sensible answer this time when they failed so dismally last time.
Leave would win a new ref with an increased majority.
I now understand for many many people this has nothing to do with economic well being, its "war" fever.
Lots of remainers have been convinced by the press and others that this is a patriotic crusade.
I have said multiple times that lessons have to be learnt and a fudged deal will always be a "betrayal" of the brexiteers.
People are stupid, ill informed, poorly educated, easily led and in respect to how our economy works dont know their arse from their elbow. This is a simple fact. Another ref will just allow them to tell us all to **** off again.
They need to suffer the consequences of their actions and before you all get on your high horse about some folk (me) being well padded, i have 4 kids aged 20 to 27 so we will all take a hit.
courtesy of @davidallengreen........
David Davis and Brexit
A Tragedy in Five Parts.
"The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after #Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal"
May 2018
"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU"
July 2016.
"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."
October 2016.
"We can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019."
January 2017.
"This is the moment of truth. This is the fork in the road. Do we pursue a future as an independent nation or accept EU domination, imprisonment in the customs union and 2nd class status. Cabinet and all Conservative MPs should stand up, be counted and say no to this capitulation."
Nov 2018
Yeah let's bow down to the WTO instead and gleefully accept whatever price rises they foist on us.
Surrendering to the ****ing Swiss , Churchill and Thatcher must be spinning in their graves.
Gammon mode off.
Are we going to have a game of resignation Bingo then? See who goes as this whole shitshow unravels today?
I'm going for Gove, for definate!
That back-sliding little shit will have only one thought on scheming little mind today...
His leadership bid
And he's so self-serving that if he manages to trigger bringing May down and causing absolute chaos at the most inopportune moment imaginabele, well... whatevs!
can't see michael "norway for now" gove sticking his head above the parapet !
same as it has always been, a fudge that means nobody is happy and we are worse off than we were before
Agreed. And because the big parties are pretending this isn't the case, voters of all persuasions are going to be utterly dismayed at the gap between political rhetoric and what will unfold over the next five years. I still think the current blatent gamble that the Tories will be seen as solely to blame for this will backfire in Labour's face some how, big time. If nothing more, Labour won't be coming back in Scotland any time soon (so no majority government in UK parliament for a generation). If there was another real alternative to the Conservatives in England and Wales they'd be screwed down here as well. The directly elected Labour mayors calling for a referendum, and clearly ready to campaign to keep EU membership, is telling.
they are such a spineless bunch of cretins
They need to suffer the consequences of their actions
So the rest of us have to? No thanks.
I’m going for Gove, for definate!
It's whether it's going to be a House of Cards isn't it.
They need to suffer the consequences of their actions and before you all get on your high horse about some folk (me) being well padded, i have 4 kids aged 20 to 27 so we will all take a hit.
I've been there a while actually. I completely understand.
I heard a policeman saying today that they were getting ready for unrest - yeah what with, three coppers?
So the rest of us have to? No thanks.
Someone is always going to suffer though. And people will look after their own interests. That cuts both ways.
James O'Brien is on extra smug mode this morning.
he's a shit for sure but some class trolling from osborne
Edit: 
bloody crap forum!
Are we going to have a game of resignation Bingo then? See who goes as this whole shitshow unravels today?
Why not pop down the bookies and make it interesting, Binners?
"Bookmakers Coral have Penny Mordaunt as the favourite to be the next cabinet minister to resign from government."
Mordaunt has been making lots of Trumpian noises in the last week, so easily the new favourite to jump and get ready for a leadership battle (ignoring that everyone is surprised that Gove and Fox are still in there).
I think I will have a punt on that Molls. EDIT: I've had a few quid each on Penny Mordaunt, Esther McVey and Gove being gone this afternoon
I still think the current blatent gamble that the Tories will be seen as solely to blame for this will backfire in Labour’s face some how, big time.
Yip. Kier Starmer sees this. Jeremy is still living his socilaist Brexit fantacy-world though, where he's swept to power to establish his Socialist Utopia in the wake of this shitshow.
Absolutely delusional! Anyone with anything between their ears sees the spineless, incomprehensible, totally contradictory aproach of Corbyns Labour as equally as complicit in delivering Brexit as the Tory car crash.
I know far more (now former) labour voters who, the same as me, have watched in horror him whip the article 50 vote through, then sit back and do absolutely nothing to oppose this madness.
If I was living in Scotland then the SNP would be getting my vote every time. Unfortunately us poor mugs down here only have the choice of whether we want our Brexit shit sandwich on brown or white bread. Tory on Labour are two cheeks of the same arse over Brexit
If I was living in Scotland then the SNP would be getting my vote every time.
Same here. Whenever they do those blind "state your policy preferences" polls, it always makes me closest to SNP policies. Shame that as I'm south of the border I really want their main policy aim to fail! The UK without Scotland is not something I even want to think about now (selfishly). I could have seen it working out (for us down here) with us all being EU member states (just as on the isle of Ireland now), but after we Leave… it could be hellish.
Well the 1-2-1s are out of the way. I wonder how they all got on. Cabinet meeting at 2pm and PMQs just started. Pull up a chair get the kettle on open the biscuits.
If you could choose between actual socialist utopia outside the EU, and neoliberal toryism inside it, which would you go for?