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BBC estimates the crowds in London at 670,000 - any estimates for Harrogate?
Farage, some bloke and his whippet?
Partition should surely be easy.
The brexiters have been saying for months there is no reason why NI needs a hard border with the Republic
So there is no reason that London, South Cambs and Scotland couldn't remain in the EU with the rest off the country departing.
While I have some sympathy with building a bloody big wall between remainers and leavers you do all know there are plenty of us in the North who voted remain don't you? 🙂
So there is no reason that London, South Cambs and Scotland couldn’t remain in the EU with the rest off the country departing.
Except about half the country voted remain. I know it's a bit of a joke but it's also missing the point by over generalising where people voted leave and remain.
in a possible universe.
When I was at school” is perfectly valid when talking about being at school
Yes but as I keep saying up until about 3 or 4 years ago double science wasnt compulsory, I know I was teaching single award or Btec. So people banging on about when I was at school and then sticking their fingers in their ears about an actual fact is well you know, quite Brexit.
What's the problem? And what has it to do with Brexit? Double science isn't for high achieving kids anyway. Oh yeah, was the link Gove? Don't make this a Gove thread… argue/agree with teachers elsewhere… start a new thread if you want.
It was compulsory for certain streams at my school. The top sets got separate sciences, the next down got double science, next got single science, the very bottom set got "why you shouldn't eat crayons" or something.
If you're talking about at a National Curriculum level then you well may be correct, but you cannot possibly dismiss what I said as false unless you attended Hollins County High School in Accrington in 1983.
Except about half the country voted remain. I know it’s a bit of a joke but it’s also missing the point by over generalising where people voted leave and remain.
I apologise. I thought about listing all the remain areas, but on a phone, with the new website, I couldn't quite face it.
So instead, a referendum for each constituency to decide whether they remain or leave. No need for any walls, and we can use the same advanced technology being proposed(*) for the Irish border to maintain frictionless borders between different parts of the country.
For example, South Cambs would probably have a simple EU/EU border with Cambridge, but a WTO border with South East Cambs, but that would be no problem at all.
(*) Unicorns and pixies.
I apologise. I thought about listing all the remain areas, but on a phone, with the new website, I couldn’t quite face it.
So instead, a referendum for each constituency to decide whether they remain or leave. No need for any walls, and we can use the same advanced technology being proposed(*) for the Irish border to maintain frictionless borders between different parts of the country.
Just had a go at making some sense of the breakdown.. but at a regional level Leave never cracked 60%, remain did so over the country it was still way to close. If you break it down further you get some more extreme areas but as no area appears to be the same population size it makes them very hard to compare after that.
Anyway who was in Harrogate to see Nige today?
We could have 'EU' and 'Brexit' counties, like the US did with free and slave states for a while.
Anyway who was in Harrogate to see Nige today?
Anyway who was in Harrogate to see Nige today?
https://news.sky.com/story/farage-happy-to-have-another-referendum-in-20-years-11530869
Sky reporting 1200 people.
The MEP was joined by Labour MP Kate Hoey, who has been heavily criticised in her part for her vocal support of Brexit.
"We shouldn't really be here," she said. "We had a clear vote to leave, we know that people knew what they were voting for, even though we are being told people were stupid and racist."
May I suggest a referendum with the simple question of do we want Farage and Hoey in the stocks outside parliament for a week?
The entire cabinet signed off on the NI backstop last December, even Mogg hailed it as a victory, now they say they didn’t understand it. That was a 15 page document, trade deals run to many 1000s. They have got a hope.
I thought I’d dreamt there’d already signed off on it so the only thing stopping the deal is something they’ve already agreed to.
That makes sense er not...
Meanwhile in the real world.
rumours are they (swivel eyed brexiteers) want everyones favourite 70 year old permanently pissed & befuddled politician (not juncker the other one) .............. David Davis in as caretaker PM until were out & the real power play can start
Would the **** wits have enough votes?
I want a second vote . Apparently that's not democratic but you can oust a democratically elected leader.
Would this in any way trigger a GE?
I'm not having that **** running my country.
Anyway who was in Harrogate to see Nige today?
I ran past the convention centre yesterday with the intention of shouting some abuse but there was no one there. Which I suppose is reflective of all the Brexit planning, come to think about it.
Perhaps we should have good old DD at the front of the queue, to take some responsibility for the shambles as opposed to resigning out of it all.
Just absorbing some of the recent coverage and I think there is a real danger of Brexit apathy allowing a shit deal to get through. The beeb seems to be trying to spin the “95% of the deal is done, just the knotty little side issue of the Irish border to crack on with now” bullshit. Endangering 20 years of peace and commentating on it like it’s just that last awkward clue in the Times crossword. Idiots.
Crass, bluff, dismissive and showing wanton ignorance. Pretty much how a lot of this disaster happened in the first place.
Still, in other news, I reckon I could have a pretty safe bet on how the racist twunt on the Ryanair flight voted in the referendum (if he could actually get to the polling station without attempting to lynch anyone with a suntan).
Funny thing that we’re all obsessed by the “Withdrawal Agreement.”
We haven’t even got onto trade yet, and by Christ, when we do, the gammons will start to spontaneously combust on QT once they see what happens when the EU trade negotiators get going on us.
Implementation period my arse. There’s **** all to implement. Anyone remember the phrase “parallel talks?” LOLz.
2 years and really, we’re nowhere in the grand scheme.
We haven’t even got onto trade yet, and by Christ, when we do, the gammons will start to spontaneously combust on QT once they see what happens when the EU trade negotiators get going on us.
Ahh but disgraced Liam the Fox said it would be "one of the easiest in human history" because our rules and laws are already the same.
the gammons will start to spontaneously combust on QT once they see what happens when the EU trade negotiators get going on us.
I have an ongoing debate (lasting two years now) with a colleague at work who seriously thinks that trade with the commonwealth will replace that with the EU and everything will be ok. Add to that the video above I suspect the gammons will see us not trading with the EU as a good thing.
May is also still insisting that any backstop for NI is time limited. This means of course that no deal is possible as a backstop is essential to any deal and a time limited backstop is no backstop
I was at Saturday's march, sat on a wall next to Downing St watching the crowds of people move down Whitehall. The atmosphere was fantastic, with a huge turnout from the older generation. I spoke with a few former Leave voters, who've become disillusioned with the reality of Brexit versus the politicians' promises. I saw people waving Labour Against Brexit placards marching next to members of Conservatives For Europe, pretty much the entire political spectrum was represented (even a few Momentum t-shirts), I can safely say that I've never seen so many people in one place before, or am I likely to ever see so many again.
The mood of the marchers was excellent. I saw demonstrators making an effort to clear up rubbish and the atmosphere was very friendly - even the Police outside Downing Street were posing for selfies with the crowd.
It's good to know that Nigel Farage's counter demo mustered 1,400 supporters, I sincerely hope that they had a chance to rub shoulders with us and to talk to one another.#
We travelled up from Bristol for it PJM What an awesome day. Met so many good people. Saw so many hilarious banners. Just one of those life affirming days - who knows if it’ll change anything but at least we were there. My 5 year old 😀:
EDIT: and in the distance, our #BorderAgainstBorders 😬
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Anyone buying this "last 5%" bullshit? No? Good? Carry on…
It was 90% done a year ago, so each incremental advance is taking exponentially longer....
I couldn't go to the march, as I went to the funeral of my uncle instead. He was born in Germany in the middle of the second world war, but was a life-long anglophile, studied teaching in Oxford, and married an English wife. He was a huge part of the local village life in Germany (school teacher) but often came over here - he would jump in his bright orange VW campervan (long before that was trendy and hipster) with his wife and children and come over here and tour around the country, dropping in on unsuspecting relatives. Recently they would show up with ebikes instead and cycle around instead.
He very sadly passed away in this country a few weeks ago, on his last visit here.
Anyone buying this “last 5%” bullshit? No? Good? Carry on…
Always reminds me me of the examples that humans have 95% the same genes as chimps or that all humans only differ by about 0.1%. There is a lot that goes on in the fine detail which makes a big difference.
Also agreeded is not approved or implemented.
And nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. It could be 99.5% agreed, but if we can't come to a landing on the last 0.5%, there's no agreement. Northern Ireland has always been the most problematic part, the bit that unless a lot of people could start thinking very differently, would sink any deal, and 2 years, on, no-one's come up with anything to make it less problematic. Not saying NI border is 0.5%, btw!
Dyson really getting behind brexit Britain. ****.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45950377
Dyson said the decision was based on the availability of engineering talent, regional supply chains and proximity to some key target markets
We we used to have all that.
Sorry for the fb link, but this Robert Peston link answers something I've been wondering... doesn't the "no deal" option guarantee a border in Ireland and so the EU will want to avoid it..?
I think it's 0% chance of 2nd referendum, and 95% chance of "no deal" Brexit.
dont think they make anything here though is it not all R&D ?
No deal does mean a hard border on the island of ireland and thus means the UK has breached its commitments under the good friday ageement
Dyson moved his manufacturing out of UK years ago to lower cost economies,
R and D is principally UK based. Not defending it by the way but I can see the business logic.
Still hope that the quitlings see this and start to wonder if they've been sold a lie by the brexit cheerleaders. I can but dream...
Imagine if Dyson said 'I'm going to build this in the UK as I am so keen on Brexit and the deals we can do. The nature of supply chains and proximity to markets don't bother me - its just a mere detail...' 🙂
The company's founder, Sir James Dyson, has been a prominent advocate for Brexit and recently insisted that the UK leaving the EU with no deal would "make no difference".
There we go… breaking up European supply chains will make no difference to manufacturers who rely on supply chains on the other side of the world.
Dyson's just the same as the rest of them. They spout bullshit about Britain and patriotism, but ignore their words and look at their actions instead and its glaringly obvious they couldn't give a flying * about the UK economy or its citizens.
They're purely in it for themselves and what they can get out of it personally. They're just shameless opportunists who have seen Brexit as a gold-plated opportunity to further line their already bulging pockets, and * the consequences for 'the little people' left picking up the pieces (again!)
Dysons not stupid
From across the water...
Dyson has long bemoaned government's failure to support manufacturing in this country, and while I applaud his business acumen and his investments in r&d in the UK, I'm afraid his unwillingness to invest in UK manufacturing, unlike Jag, nissan etc. belie his motives.
"Dyson has long bemoaned government’s failure to support manufacturing in this country"
I'm not sure I'd be able to find a relevant link, but ISTR one statement from him in the last few years suggested one (main ?) issue was with employment policies - effectively the hire/fire bit wrt to production demands (ie time-varying employment requirements), and how that would have to change before he'd consider production in the UK (I guess there's still the issue of relative cost, but the point made he made about Singapore re car production is that costs there are relatively high).
'Course, perish the thought that anyone would want the stability of a full-time job.
Dyson is the the perfect example of an avid Brexiteer.
1. Will not invest in people only assets
2. As above does not like semi skilled workers who he has to pay a living wage and "employ"
3. Self serving git
4. I have none of his products on principal
5. He moved £1.5 billion to Malta in 2012 and pays * all tax.
This is your future Brexiteers - polishing Dysons windows and Toilets for minimum wage (well actually they will scrap that the minimum wage) so a £1 an hour but you will get €1 exchange rate for your holidays....
Why can people not see through these *s