We* are not prepared for a hard or no-deal Brexit.
*I take 'we' to mean everyone and everything within the UK.
So we are giving up membership of the EU. That is what is in front of us. The worst case outcome IMO is a hard Brexit, the best case is bespoke FTA. So we are prepared for a hard Brexit already (structurally at least) and will be happier if we get a FTA instead. That will be a Brucie bonus.
How does one prepare for the undefined Irish border?
Should I be preparing by taking a night course in Vet of Import Inspections - 3 months should do it?
What about getting a burger van on the road to Dover?
Most of these jobs should have been sorted out by the government at this stage, have plans for all of these things and a roll out contingency that is fully costed with steps being taken as we speak to make sure it's done.
Join them,get involved take the fight to those that put the needs of foreign billionaires before those of the people.
He's working for banks, who are well placed and well able to move operations to wherever's best for them. He's reactive, not proactive. Banks are asking him/his company "what happens if..." and for some guidance about impacts of likely scenarios. Beyond a personal holidays/travel level, it doesn't really matter to him. Presumably the more upheaval, the more need for consultancy, so he'll be alright.
If you're a company who actually produces, retails, carries stuff about, generally has a bit more skin in the game, damn right you should shout about how things will affect you, what it means for your business and the actions you'll have to take as a result. And if you think it's a bad step/putting livelihoods at risk/effing bonkers, you should be shouting about that too.
the best case is bespoke FTA
'Bespoke FTA" still means everything and nothing. It encapsulates everything from just reduced tariffs for key industries, all the way up to us being part of the Single Market, and in addition having no internal tariffs or quotas and acting as one block when it comes to deals with the rest of the world. Anything beyond no deal, all the way up to cooperating and sharing more closely than either Norway or Switzerland do with the EU, would require a "Bespoke FTA", or more likely, a huge number of bespoke agreements.
And anyway, the best case is that we remain in EU, with our special deal, being the largest country in a new "outer ring" of less integrated countries, but inside the trading block. Once we have two options to compare, rather than "1001 ways to Leave" vs Remain, that opinion will not be a minority one (even if it is currently, which I am not entirely convinced is the case anyway).
So we are prepared for a hard Brexit already
Who are "we"?
What do you mean by "hard"?
As a remainer I believe/believed that what we had was better than what we will get. Obviously. But that doesn’t matter. Its history. My view proved to be a minority one. We lost
Could you imagine a world in which everyone was as cringingly subservient? You could explain the above to me from now until the end of time, and I'd still say "don't get it". I mean, I hesitate to Godwin this thread up by saying we'd all be speaking German, but you get my drift.
We* are not prepared for a hard or no-deal Brexit.
*I take ‘we’ to mean everyone and everything within the UK.
I took it to mean "the financial sector", which is the extent of THM's interest.
Is that so Doc?
reading above brings back images of black berets and Tooting Broadway underground. Power to the people comrades 😀
kelvin, is worth differentiating between theoretical bests and realistic bests. The former are of less value
What a fantastic contribution. I now imagine all those CEOs of manufacturing and retail companies chortling along to that. Not to mention councils and health trusts…
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Oh, an edit, to add an actual point… I like it… nothing "theoretical" as regards remaining a member of the EU… it's just that it has been ruled out by our (current) leading politicians… just as lots of other, less desirable, options have been. Just about everything is being ruled out by someone with the power to block what we do next… so all options are "theoretical" at the moment.
De nada
2 words for THM - Poll Tax
An unpopular policy introduced by (a democratically elected) government, eventually overturned after resistance by the populace.
Power to the people indeed.
Resistance is not futile.
reading above brings back images of black berets and Tooting Broadway underground. Power to the people comrades
You've nothing, have you. Round here we have a saying - "when words are no better than silence, one should choose silence".
As a remainer I believe/believed that what we had was better than what we will get. Obviously. But that doesn’t matter. Its history. My view proved to be a minority one. We lost
Your view was probably the minority. However all the other smaller opinions ranging from 'we can do better trade outside the EU' to 'the EU are going to force us into the Eurozone' to 'immigration harms the economy' and everything in between together outvoted us in the referendum.
* probably not the minority ^^
One of those amusing things about democracy is that everyone, simultaneously, even in a binary choice referendum, can be in a minority.
Pure dead gallus is it no?
Stolen from twitter but very funny .
- Hello, Border.
- Morning, Jean.
- Those English tourists are driving through Ken’s field.
- They have the map upside down.
- Oh right.
- Having decided on their route they are sticking to it. “There is no going back”, he said
- They’re headed to the river.
- That they are.
Ol' Carney has the European Research Gammons all frothing and redder than ever.
Mr Carney was "not predicting Armageddon, he was not predicting house prices would fall by a third, they are just making sure that if, for some extraordinary reason anything was to go horribly wrong, the bank is prepared."
A high placed banker, preparing for the worst but hoping for the best... sound familiar? Anyone checking whether THM's posts have a Canadian twang????
It's just Project Reality isn't it? Anyway most of the zealots don't give a shit, they are either rich enough to afford it (possibly benefit from the carnage) or poor enough that they feel they have nothing to lose - though they might get a wake-up call about that.
News just in...
British steel to dump jobs citing weak £
S****horpe voted 70% for Brexit, these people really have been conned
I know someone with a decent job with British Steel who has just quit and gone elsewhere. Long standing employee, a lot to lose by leaving in terms of family upheaval but he says the writing is on the wall and Brexit is the final nail. We live in Brexit Ground Zero in terms strength of vote to leave which makes it all the more sad.
Can we start with the civil unrest before they get the army onto the streets?
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1040567532862820357
well Starmers six tests make it impossible for May's (any) Brexit deal to be supported by Labour
And in the background the piece of excrement that is Aaron Banks has a cunning plan...
https://news.sky.com/story/former-ukip-donor-arron-banks-recruiting-for-the-tories-11497104
Kate Hoey and Nigel Farage getting it "on" to stop chequers...
If you had any doubts about Hoey....
Brexit certainly drives out folks true colours
good news,
https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/sep/15/food-and-brexit-will-the-cupboard-be-bare-jay-rayner
tin plate sales will go up.
good news,
https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/sep/15/food-and-brexit-will-the-cupboard-be-bare-jay-rayner
tin plate sales will go up.
Good news indeed.
What do you lot want?
We can export all our food produce from Asia or SE Asia directly to you without having to deal with EU bureaucrats.
😀
That sounds great for the enviroment! 🙂
That sounds great for the enviroment!
There are many vegs or fruits imported from Africa, South America, Asia anyway so all fine.
You can either starve or buy from us or start planting them yourself ... LOL!
Remember if you import from us you are helping the poor farmers. 😀
Have you bought pineapple this summer? If so ALL of them are from Costa Rica. Yes, the distance might be half but still a distance. We have pineapple too as do all the vegs or fruits in the world.
How about durians the King of the fruits?
Tim Wetherspoon and Nigel Forage say we can just import tonnes (Ton's) of cheap food from the colonies...
Aahh its the good old days.... mass unemployment, Farmers planting duck ponds and stone walls for a "subsidies" (benefits) while the poor tramp the new footpaths created for them.
Cost of everything value of nothing...
You can either starve or buy from us or start planting them yourself … LOL!
🎶 An’ I see your true colours shining through... 🎶
An’ I see your true colours shining through…
Actually, that is the tone of the EU bureaucrats who want to starve off the supply to UK.
In the event of EU bureaucrats thinking they can play dirty at least we are here to offer our produce and UK will have alternative source of supply.
EU bureaucrats can't play their dirty tricks on us but they can try if they wish.
Tim Wetherspoon and Nigel Forage say we can just import tonnes (Ton’s) of cheap food from the colonies…
Aahh its the good old days…. mass unemployment, Farmers planting duck ponds and stone walls for a “subsidies” (benefits) while the poor tramp the new footpaths created for them.
Cost of everything value of nothing…
Unlike EU who compete directly with UK we do not want to do that as we just trade in what you want vice versa.
Even Turkey is foolish if they think that joining EU bureaucratic system is a good thing. Regarding Turkey I have a feeling they will not join once they come to their senses.
Ah durian, king of fruits that taste like a zombie onion
Ah durian, king of fruits that taste like a zombie onion
Once you learn to eat durian you will love it forever ... 😀
The price of durian (Musang King variety the best) per kg sold in China is about US$100.
The last time I ate one, not the Musang King but local variety, it took me back to my childhood years where we used to eat a lot of them during the durian season.
That food article... I can’t believe that the ‘leave’-supporters in charge of the campaign hadn’t considered this monumental ***-up and included it in their calcula... oh, hang on...
Ok i will bite, Chewkw if we go tariff free on food in the brave new world then it is likley to have a significant impact on UK agriculture by flooding the market with cheaper food, on the one hand if you take Tim and Nigels view it would likley lower food costs but the overall impact may be much greater particularly as the WTO members would view Michael Goves "new deal" for Farmers as a veiled subsidies.
I have said before on here that i believe UK farming has been propped up by subsudies far too much but we need to be careful in how we manage food production and the standards attached to that.
The simple fact is that many UK farmers can not compete on cost in the global market, the EU did a fairly reasonable job on keeping tariffs and subsidues and hence food prices in reasonable order.
The Tim and Nigel (+ JRM and ERG members) hard brexit mantra simply ignores the impact on Farming, Manufacturing and the obvious withdrawal of capital (which is significant) from the UK.
As i have said before this could end up being a case of many people writing cheques for other peoples mistakes (mantras)
EU bureaucratic system
Chewk every time you say this you make yourself look foolish
The EU manages with 33000 bureaucrats in Brussels, the UK has had to hire nearly that many again, just to deal with brexit, taking UK civil service to well over 400,000 !
Now we've seen what the government are preparing for brexit, we can see it's a huge increase in bureaucracy:
The M20 is being widened with extra drainage added to deal with all the truckers piss because the extra red tape at Dover means queues for miles.
As we leave the European Medicines Agency the government is preparing their own authority to to replicate exactly the EMAs work so that the supply of medicines is uninterrupted. We are even being forced to contemplate creating our own Gps satellite network as we are forcing ourselves out of Galileo. This is being replicated across every sector in the country as we have to renegotiate 750 treaties with thetrest of the world individually, as we no longer have them as EU members.
Meanwhile business is being forced to spend billions preparing for whatever form of brexit we end up with.
If you voted for brexit to reduce bureaucracy, you've made a very foolish mistake
I see Sadiq Khan is calling for a second referendum following the governments failure to secure a deal, and due to Bojo’s shenanigans
Can we start one of those online petitions to get the m20 renamed the Chris Grayling Expressway?
But... durians...
It must be true 🙂
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That’s ^^ brilliant. 😀
Even the Treasury cat has had enough