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the conference really cant be as bonkers as last years can it????

might be some upsets at the labour one too, lots pushing for an anti-brexit stance, but their ambiguity is still keeping many leavers onside


 
Posted : 11/09/2018 11:38 pm
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THM went for drinks after work then posted on the train ride home, didn’t he?


 
Posted : 11/09/2018 11:59 pm
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might be some upsets at the labour one too, lots pushing for an anti-brexit stance, but their ambiguity is still keeping many leavers onside

Don't worry, any day now Corbyn's going to come good on his commitment that party policy will reflect the wishes of the membership.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 12:27 am
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Looks like the ERG's alternative plan is coming along nicely.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 1:20 am
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50 odd MPs

And that's the nicest thing anyone's ever called them.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 6:49 am
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Unfortunately the Monster Raving Loony Party has already been used,is that why they're known as the ERG ?


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 8:08 am
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We get the ERGs solution to NI border today....

Ultimately I don't think the 50 odd MPs will vote down chequers, they know it'd put them too close to having another emecelec & maybe another ref....


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 8:29 am
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I'm no fan of May, but the way she clings on and little by little froths the gammony faced ERG crew closer to a stress related heart attack.......I'm slowly warming to her.

That photo is excellent.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 8:34 am
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Me neither, and yet despite everything she might finally deliver something - in this case BREXIT.

Many “stronger” folk would have and indeed have melted away under the heat in the kitchen. Perhaps, ironically, it takes a strong woman to deliver after all?


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 9:29 am
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<p>Me neither, and yet despite everything she might finally deliver something – in this case BREXIT.</p>

<p>Yes by declaring article 50 completely unprepared she just has to hold on in order to do that.</p>

<p>Many “stronger” folk would have and indeed have melted away under the heat in the kitchen.</p>

<p>Or some would have worked out it was a shit situation and thought a little more and been actually honest with the people</p>


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 9:39 am
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I’m pretty certain May has Aspergers.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 9:41 am
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Me neither, and yet despite everything she might finally deliver something – in this case BREXIT.

That will happen even if she just puts her feet up and does nothing - no particular strength required.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 9:53 am
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 no particular strength required.

It isnt exactly setting the standards high is it? Think I might try and get that into my next performance plan. Just "deliver" something regardless of how good it is. That said it does seem to work for some outsourcing companies.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 9:58 am
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That’s very classy


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:01 am
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i see john mcdonnell speaking in favour of another general election over a second referendum. hubris? given the redrawing of boundaries the estimate i heard was that if the  last election was re-run the tories would be sitting on a 16 lead. yay! let's have another election so we can spunk some more time down the road and loose again, but better!


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:03 am
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Is it just post random words thm? At the moment we have no idea who you are having a go about. Can't see anything as classy as your insult post on the previous page.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:03 am
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If @teamhurtmore means @zippykona's Aspergers comment, then I agree, pretty poor.

As for the achievement of May so far… she's almost got us to where we should have been before we triggered A50. Almost. We now HAVE to get a transition or delay, as we can't be ready for any other outcomes by our current exit date… she's given the EU complete control.

Tick. Tock.

Barnier is right to be confident of getting a withdrawal agreement sorted this year… we have no choice.

Do we think that, privately, May wants the EU to be in control, as she trusts them more than her own MPs, when it comes to the immediate future of the UK? Dangerous game.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:09 am
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feet up and does nothing

The Dave Davis approach. Strange how the ERG have forgotten that one of their own was in charge for the first 18 months.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:10 am
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Strange how the ERG have forgotten that one of their own was in charge for the first 18 months

Thats different though for obvious reasons. That this needs explaining to you really is nuts. Just look at that report I posted five months before the referendum which makes this clear and to preempt any boring requests for evidence ohhh look a squirrel!


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:20 am
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Asperger's Disorder Symptoms. Significant difficulty in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as the lack of eye contact, few facial expressions, awkward or clumsy body postures and gestures. Failure to develop friendships with other children of the same age.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:20 am
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Indeed kelvin. We agree


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:21 am
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Govey on R4 this morning being a complete ****. I'm not usually a violent person but would make an exception for the most punchable face in politics.

Looking forward to the NI solution from the 50 very odd MPs. Pixie dust and an honesty box?


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:23 am
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Asperger’s Disorder Symptoms

All of those can also occur in people with other disorders or indeed none at all. Hence why diagnosis should be left to the experts and not randomly used as a semi insult.

As one random data point obviously she cant dance but then again neither can most other people. Hence why nightclubs tend not to have people on the dance floor until the blood alcohol level is sufficiently high enough that people overrule the little voice telling them that. Can you imagine dancing sober in front of tv cameras? I know some people would do so happily but I suspect even most of those who can dance would be wanting to give it a miss.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:40 am
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Can you imagine dancing sober in front of tv cameras?

No. cos it's a really really bad idea, and a sober me would identify it as such. That a sober Maybot didn't spot that is a bit worrying.

On the bright side I did enjoy the Russian govt Facebook post comparing May and Maria Zakharova


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:53 am
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I have 2 friends with Aspergers and she has that same awkwardness about her that they do.

It's not intended as an insult just an observation.

Her  "robustness in the face of adversity" is really  just her having no feelings or awareness of what's going on.

edit..my apologies.

https://medium.com/@JackPatrickHowes/is-theresa-may-autistic-an-autistic-persons-perspective-cd7cade80c2c


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:53 am
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Fair enough. I think she's just geeky, calculating and ruthless. The physical thing… I've only seen her at an age where most people are far from fluid and agile.

[ nice edit ]


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 10:56 am
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Sky News is reporting that London has lost its top spot as the global financial centre -  https://news.sky.com/story/london-loses-top-spot-in-global-financial-centre-rankings-11495765

Interested to hear what Brexiteers think of this?


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 11:10 am
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Well, we did say in this thread that New York would be the biggest beneficiary of our decision to hamper London. Did we not @teamhurtmore?


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 11:15 am
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Looking forward to the NI solution from the 50 very odd MPs. Pixie dust and an honesty box?

My money is on an unspecified technological solution. Why this lot are not laughed out the room at every opportunity is beyond me.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 11:28 am
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They seem to be going for the honesty box approach. Without the pixie dust or technology.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 12:30 pm
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At first glance it looks awfully similar to the solution that has been proposed and rejcted before.  What's new?


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 12:44 pm
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I have 2 friends with Aspergers and she has that same awkwardness about her that they do.

It’s not intended as an insult just an observation.

I have aspergers and I would tend to agree.  Mine is fairly mild and about the same level as Mays I would say.

Level of awkwardness, lack of emotion or ability to really have fun


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 12:45 pm
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My money is on an unspecified technological solution.

My money is on 'Stars wars' style missile shield and an 'expeditionary force'.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 1:13 pm
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Kelvin, what we actually had was a gross exaggeration of the impact on London with overstated claims re job losses etc. So thanks for the link - the single word “slightly” in the link falsifies such nonsense and supports my view. It’s is also interesting that the fortunes of various Eu centres has been mixed reflecting my view (and more importantly the eu’s own view) that no other EU centre can easily replicate the combination of advantages enjoyed by London in the ST. We can also see that the more dynamic changes relate to Asia and NY ie not a Brexit effect

trickles not floods....

its great to have sensible perspectives reinforced after all the exaggerations. Let’s hope this continues


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 1:22 pm
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So, very real damage. And we haven't left yet. Understood.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 1:26 pm
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No, v limited impact, banks well prepared and ultimate losers are Europeans who will have reduced supply and higher costs of finance.

still misunderstood other than the timing observation


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 1:28 pm
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THM: "ultimate losers are Europeans"

Z/Yen Global Financial Centres: "Rivals within the EU for financial services business currently in the UK were among the cities making the greatest strides. [...] Zurich, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Vienna, and Milan moved up the rankings significantly. These centres may be the main beneficiaries of the uncertainty caused by Brexit."

Hmmm....tough choice who to believe here.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 1:38 pm
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But is there anything magical about the City of London? It's not an industry which needs to be close to a coal seam, port or food source. It has a highly mobile workforce which for the most parts just need broadband and a Spearmint Rhino nearby.

I suspect the Banks will be 'getting on their bikes' shortly if it saves/makes them money.

Europeans who will have reduced supply and higher costs of finance.

And the market will simply sit by and watch? I suggest you head to the North of England and see what happens when an industry finds itself in the wrong location.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 1:40 pm
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Hmmm….tough choice who to believe here.

Don’t forget he’s a very important figure in ‘The City’ and the prognosticator of prognosticators.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 1:46 pm
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Capn feel frree the look at the rankings

yes leku and acknowledged by EU commission - in their words it’s not a zero sum game

in the words of those with the most to gain:

Brexit can hardly be considered a ‘zero sum’ game, in which financial service activities could be relocated from the UK into the EU27 without any raising costs. This finding relates to the loss of ‘margin pool benefits’ and the ‘ecosystem’ advantage of the City of London, which can be found in the peculiar concentration of organisations, human re- sources and economies of scale in the City of London.

they go on to quantify the increased financing costs too. Still feel free to ignore as is doesn’t fit the doomsday narrative


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 1:48 pm
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The North, Midlands and South Wales is full of coal miners who assumed they had jobs for life too.

Shit happens. Markets / businesses respond.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 2:06 pm
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JPMorgan Brexit plans now 'past point of no return', with as many as 4,000 staff set to move from UK

But it's not happening, right? Nothing to see here.

This is fine


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 2:09 pm
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Brexit can hardly be considered a ‘zero sum’ game

Exactly. It's a negative sum game - overall everybody loses.


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 2:10 pm
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They do - BNP Paribas increasing their investment in London to take advantage of others being distracted by noise.

Banks scaling back estimates of job relocations

you are correct


 
Posted : 12/09/2018 2:11 pm
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On the plus side, for those inclined to brinksmanship, Hague is warning that if we get to a no-deal Brexit we will probably choose to stay and the EU will find a way of accommodating that.

Bring it on. 😜


 
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