Indeed bob and yet you forget that the doomsday forecasts related to the immediate impact
as the then CoE noted
”these lies, sorry this paper focuses on the immediate impact of a vote to leave and the two years that follow”
Have you forgotten the lie about a vote to leave would represent and immediate and profound shock to our economy?
TJ you have the courtesy to post links that falsify your own points yourself. You don’t need assistance
as the then CoE noted
Interesting quote. Dont suppose you have an actual reliable source for that do you?
Have you forgotten the lie about a vote to leave would represent and immediate and profound shock to our economy?
You seem to be confusing a prediction within a range of outcomes, as that was, with a lie. If it helps a lie is when you claim to have been posting a paragraph of text repeatedly prior to the vote when it wasnt written until six months or so afterwards. I thought you claimed to be an economist. That you struggle with this makes me wonder.
Also not sure if you noticed but that was also based on immediate triggering of article 50 when, instead, Cameron ran away.
Cars kill far more people than land mines.
The People's Princess fought long and hard to eradicate land mines.
We now have a People's Prime Minister who is doing her best to make sure that the UK no longer manufactures cars and all we can do is knock her for it.
Honestly , she just can't win.
Pondo - yes I voted remain
Diss - Incorrect that was the other quote. This was from our side’s official propaganda in May 2016
Honestly , she just can’t win.
We'll still buy cars though, no matter what.
Balance of payments is going to look interesting.
Just embrace staying part of the Single Market and Customs Union… those who are dead against that seem to be dead against her unworkable fudge anyway.
ask the wrong question…
Why are there ones you actually answer?
as the then CoE noted
This one?
Incorrect that was the other quote
How about you put up a link so we can review it. At the risk of pointing out the obvious I dont really have much faith in your ability to accurately report something.
Speaking of inability to accurately report something. Provide the link to the CoE quote. You put it in quotes so it shouldnt be hard to find the original. Unless you are making stuff up again.
Diss - you are asking for a link now having previously detailed a critique of the point? Had you not read it first
(page three, para 7 of the report you must have read to post your post)
Yes he is asking for a link. Go on, be brave and post something with a verifiable source. Just once.
The rest of us would love to read the report, chuck us a link up unless you don't know how.
Had you not read it first
Stop dodging and provide a link. That way it makes it a lot easier to spot where you are either lying or are confused.
Now. Provide the source for this quote. If you made it up then just admit to it.
”these lies, sorry this paper focuses on the immediate impact of a vote to leave and the two years that follow”
Time for a New European caption competition. Best suggestion (from Twitter and FB) wins a TNE t-shirt!
"Tories accidentaly read Singletrack EU thread."
Move on.
Lots happened today. Discuss some of that.
The Boris&Bone launch was a bit hollow, no?
[ edit - sorry @kimbers, your post on this hadn't appeared yet, when I posted ]
What about the Gov of the BoE staying on to help us out? What a good egg. He's being slammed by Brexitiers for his acceptance of a request to stay though, but then, who cares?
The Boris&Bone launch was a bit hollow, no?
Thats what makes it fairly useless to discuss. Its pretty much simply saying everything will be fine just shout free trade loudly and try a model no one else has ever done and it will all be great.
The rest of us would love to read the report, chuck us a link up unless you don’t know how.
FFS. Just to move things on. And because thm is being perversely coy.
FWIW, it seems apparent that "Vote" and "Triggering Article 50" have been incorrectly conflated in the document but however it's interpreted it did predict the economic position in advance of actual departure from the EU and the predictions are still excessively "doomy" relative to our current position.
page three, para 7 of the report you must have read to post your post
Got me again diss, I made up the “these lies,sorry” bit. The rest is “kosher” (with apologies to you-know-who)
we did try kelvin but good news went down like a cup of cold sick
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and no my post isn't broken it's your eyes
Pls don’t link the forum can’t take it. 😀
Was the good news a 5 day high @teamhurtmore?
So, any comments on the PM's plan, or the ERG's vanishing plan, or Corbyn's vagueness… where do we go now…? Fudge with future relationship pushed past the Leave date? Then what… new leaders… new government… ?
5 day???- are you some kind of mountain lion?
you missed out the Irish timetable news too
The Taoiseach said he agreed with Michel Barnier's assessment that a Brexit deal is possible within six to eight weeks
“We need to do it too because you know the longer we leave it the longer we wait until we have an agreement," Mr Varadkar added.
He insisted a deal was possible in October but "may well run into November"
Can we assume that he is not telling fibs? They have the most to lose among our EU friends
I have no idea what you're on about.
I have no idea what you’re on about.
You're far from alone there...
Pls don’t link the forum can’t take it.
TURBOMEGALOLZCOPTER
<p class=”amp-o-paragraph”>The Taoiseach said he agreed with Michel Barnier’s assessment that a Brexit deal is possible within six to eight weeks .</p>
<p class=”amp-o-paragraph”>”We need to do it too because you know the longer we leave it the longer we wait until we have an agreement,” Mr Varadkar added.</p>
<p class=”amp-o-paragraph”>He insisted a deal was possible in October but “may well run into November”.</p>
Of course its possible, the UK just needs to wake up and take the deal that the eu will offer. Then tory implosion and roll on an election
Ah, I see THM has edited his riddle to include some information, and even a link! Thanks!
So, we're on for a fudged withdrawal agreement. Cool. Now, who backs that agreement over here? And … what are we transitioning to? And who backs that?
Just popping back in. Has our astroturfer from a few pages back revealed themselves?
Just reading through the news, although the hard Brexiteers don’t like the Chequers Plan, they’re trying to sell a no-deal WTO Brexit. I see that Raab has been criticised by Barnier for attempting to make deals with individual EU27 countries at the behest of Chris Grayling.
I’m reminded of the time that my five year old cousin tried to assemble a Lego car chassis.
De nada kelvin.
And… back to the empty riddle style THM posts with no point or content.
Of course we are on for a fudge. Where have you been? Both sides started with incompatible positions, ergo....
as a pro European i thought you would appreciate my gratitude. Or was the “thanks” just trol.....
Thankfully some of us have a bit of backbone and grit and we’ll continue to fight for what we believe in rather than being pansy defeatist cucks!
Ah so getting all stroppy will break the will of thr eu you keep telling us don't negotiate.
Wonderful.
Dunno ask bob. He’s the advocate. Have to say I thing he’s overstating it, don’t you?
wonder why we are downgrading our official outlook to “some turbulence” now? What happened to doom and gloom?
Well that all makes sense then ...
About as much sense as someone reporting me for “quoting” bob’s charming words and mods failing to “read and scrutinise”. Wonder which one...?
still if quoting worked in the upgrade !!!
still if quoting worked in the upgrade !!!
What about it?
The rest is “kosher” (with apologies to you-know-who)
I don't. Who are you talking about?
Gulls still following the troller I see.
Thankfully some of us have a bit of backbone and grit and we’ll continue to fight for what we believe in rather than being pansy defeatist cucks!
You voted Remain, you (self-evidently) spineless pansy defeated cuck (I have no idea what a cuck is).
Ouch
it looks like the brexiteers have taken the humiliation at their failure to launch their hard brexit plans today rather badly
I am just going to let this speak for itself. It’s a slightly edited but verbatim account of tonight’s weekly meeting of the Brexiter European Research Group faction of the Conservative Party.
It requires no additional comment from me - other than that I have multiple sources vouching for its veracity.
“We've just had an ERG mass meeting, 50 odd MPs present, where virtually the only topic of conversation for 40/50 mins was: how best do we get rid of her? What's the best way to use our letters? '
Comments included: ‘Everyone I know says she has to go’, ‘she's a disaster’, ‘this can't go on’.
You might think that this is usual far for us, but it's not! Not in the mass weekly meeting, never in what's basically a public forum.
The truly amazing thing was they spoke about it so openly, in such an unabashed way, even though they could see the Whips' sneak sitting there.
Really, really detailed discussion of the mechanics of how best you game the leadership election rules. And zero dissent.
No one, in a room of fifty Tory MPs even raised a squeak of objection. Not even a murmured pretence as good form. Nor did anyone preface their remarks with any 'sadly I've concluded formulae'.
We were in the Thatcher Room to add piquancy”.
About as much sense as someone reporting me for “quoting” bob’s charming words and mods failing to “read and scrutinise”. Wonder which one…?
The warning wasn't me, it was another moderator who isn't taking part in this conversation. Generally we all try not to moderate in discussions we're personally involved with, that would be poor form.
Posts don't always require a report in order to receive a warning, though it's helpful for us.
Hardly a surprise that you want to suggest bias or assume that no-one else got warnings other than you, of course. It feeds your agenda.
Tory party conference is going to be a cheery affair 😀
Tory party conference is going to be a cheery affair
Imagine the pent up frustration when they can't do their mistress for fear of being ratted out