<p lang="EN-GB">The questions asked were:</p>
<li lang="EN-GB">“Have you received any funding from Russia for the Brexit campaign?”
<li lang="EN-GB">“Have you ever received any funding from Russia for the Brexit campaign?”
<li lang="EN-GB">“On behalf of the Brexit campaign have you received any funding from Russia?”
<p lang="EN-GB">Banks answered “no” to all three questions. His responses registered a +9 score, far exceeding the minimum +2 threshold assuring 100% truth.</p>
<p lang="EN-GB">Can we pick the questions for the follow up?</p>
Who's asking the questions Jeremy Kyle?
Examinee denied taking any unprescribed medication or illegal drugs in the past 24 hours and denied having any general or acute health problems at the time of this examination. He did admit to having a glass of wine with dinner last night.
They could easily have confirmed this information.
I just don’t know how to respond,
Well thats me convinced. What could be better proof of someone being innocent than a pseudo-scientific test.
Especially with such rigorous and highly precise questions. Oddly precise really. I am guessing he actually believes in that bollocks and so wouldnt want a trick question asking about anything other than "funding".
Q1 and Q2 are exactly the same.
He could of course just be a psychopath who is convinced what he thinks it true is actually true.
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<div class="bbp-reply-content">The system has not worked for the majority the last 40 years, and things were looking to get worse
Hmm not sure about the last 40 years but certainly the last 10, I agree. But, a few points I have to make:
1. Being an EU member is no barrier to a more egalitarian society. Nordic social democratic countries often praised for their quality of life and equality are EU members.
2. One of the reasons I liked being an EU member is that they kept giving us legislation for things like the environment and workers rights. And been involved with non-legislative good ideas like the Euro NCAP system which has improved car safety.
3. If you think leaving the EU is going to make the UK into a social democratic provided land you’re off your rocker. It’s going to get worse, not better. Tories will slash our rights and standards in an effort to stay competitive, which brings me onto
4. To spend money for public benefit you need to be making it, you need a strong economy so you can tax it without stifling growth. The EU removes barriers for trade and for the labour market to enable economic growth. By suddenly sticking a load of barriers in the way of trade we’re about to make it way harder to deal with the UK which is going to make companies in the rest of the EU want to shop elsewhere.
I’d like to see you address each of these points mooman. If you are serious and not trolling I’d like you to show me the courtesy of responding to this post.
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Wealth inequality has increased more noticeably the last 40 years. There is lots of literature on this.
1/2/3 ... can all be easily answered by the fact that people can vote for the UK political party which offers/addresses whatever concerns they may have ... You don`t just have to vote Tory you know; a lot of the arguments are that the Torys are gonna make things worse for the points you have identified ... if so .. dont vote for them.
It was shown a few years ago that if a relatively new political party addressed concerns that mattered to people then they would make a political impact ... UKIP did that. The Conservatives are not the only party out there.
4. Of course things will be difficult in the beginning. We have been integrated for a long time, so processes will need to change or adapt. And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen ... but it far outweighs sticking to path the EU are leading on.
4. Of course things will be difficult in the beginning. We have been integrated for a long time, so processes will need to change or adapt. And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen … but it far outweighs sticking to path the EU are leading on.
How are you quantifying that? How much has it cost the UK so far, how much will it cost and in the next 5 years and when will it start paying off?
1/2/3 … can all be easily answered by the fact that people can vote for the UK political party which offers/addresses whatever concerns they may have … You don`t just have to vote Tory you know; a lot of the arguments are that the Torys are gonna make things worse for the points you have identified … if so .. dont vote for them.
Without any doubt the biggest threat I perceive to the U.K. developing into a better place is the UK electorate.
Mooman shoots !....... & hoofs it into the rafters
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/24/fairest-europeans-inequality-surged-us-europe
And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen
I would really like to see a list of these benefits and when they will happen. Perhaps we could ask the mods to put it up as a sticky? Mooman, could you send them your list please?
Thanks.
processes will need to change or adapt. And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen
Processes? What about major infrastructure projects at our boarders that will cost billions in lost trade as there's nothing in place and billions to put right.. The tax payer will ultimately foot the bill for that, and there will be a lot less money coming into the country.
I'm not talking about using the hard shoulder as a lorry park, I'm talking about customs yards the size of small towns to cope.
Infrastructure that's not been invested in for decades.
It's almost like no one has thought this through other than people who voted remain, hence why they voted remain..
So, a lot of issues could be solved by voting in the UK for UK politicians, nothing to do with the EU then ????
And yes, please tell us more about the benefits ?
if a relatively new political party addressed concerns that mattered to people then they would make a political impact … UKIP did that
They only get anywhere, ironically enough, because of the EU. If our votes for MEPs didnt have the PR system then they wouldnt have got anywhere. Plus they had the advantage that being completely shit at their jobs actually helped them eg Farage not bothering to turn up to the Fisheries meetings should have got him slapped down by the fishermen but instead just got ignored.
Wealth inequality has increased more noticeably the last 40 years.
That is set to get worse post Brexit.
And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen
Rees-Mogg reckons 50 years apparently.
The10 year WTO grace period was first mooted by JRM. But it's the result it's misreading the regulations. There is no grace period, at least that's my understanding.
Wealth inequality has increased more noticeably the last 40 years. There is lots of literature on this.
Oh yes, I agree. But that has nothing to do with being in the EU. It has to do with neoliberalism. Tories and soft Labour. As demonstrated by the fact the EU contains many egalitarian social democratic countries like the Nordics.
1/2/3 … can all be easily answered by the fact that people can vote for the UK political party which offers/addresses whatever concerns they may have … You don`t just have to vote Tory you know; a lot of the arguments are that the Torys are gonna make things worse for the points you have identified … if so .. dont vote for them.
I don't, but lots of people do. Again, being outside the EU isn't going to change that. It seems that some leavers were voting for change, however they won't get the kind of change they (or I) want.
Yes, the political situation in the UK sucks, but what I don't understand is why you think it's the EU's fault or why leaving the EU is going to change it?
The EU gives us significant benefits in terms of ease of trade and cost of trade, with our immediate neighbours. No free trade agreement with a country on the other side of the world is ever going to replace that. And that's aside from all the social and idealistic benefits we get.
And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen
What benefits? Outline just one for us.
And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen
The vote was in mid 2016. There is still no idea what these nebulous benefits might be or when they might happen. By the end of 2020 it will have been the equivalent of a full parliamentary term. Benefits should be being felt by then. Waiting ten years to get back to where we were in 2016 is not acceptable
Brexiteers comparing remoaner scare mongering to the non event that was the millenium bug.
Al Murray asked experts on the millenium bug to comment, shown below:-
Their collective memory was summarised by one respondent who wrote: “I recall there was quite a lot of something called PLANNING.”
“I spent nine months testing financial systems in the health service to make sure all coding was working as planned,” said another IT worker, “As opposed to driving off a cliff hoping for a safe landing.”
There was some joking about Murray’s “archaic” practice of seeking comment from experts who had real life experience of a topic.
Of course things will be difficult in the beginning. We have been integrated for a long time, so processes will need to change or adapt. And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen … but it far outweighs sticking to path the EU are leading on.
Great of example of just have faith brexiter stance. Have no idea of what the benefits of leaving are and can't even give one example of a benefit yet they will outweigh sticking to a path where the consequences are completely unknown.
So, in summary, Brexit means turning the UK into a huge bucket of shit for all but those wealthy enough to perch on the handle, which may, or may not, become less shitty in 50 years (Reese-Mogg estimate).
That is to say, the major proportion of most people's lives.
Oh.
I Really should read the replies to my posts; because I totally missed the amusing new Remoaner stereotype about rich farmers😂
Gutted I have distracted the thread from it😪
Can all you Remainers please refocus your narrow minded views and opinions back on farmers. It really emphasises who/what type of idiots are driving this thread.
Thanks xx
I'd rather hear the benefits of leaving, please. 🙂
Mooman - benefits of leaving please? Just one to counter the billions wasted and lost already?
Hello 'mooman".
Perhaps you can explain what the benefits of leaving the EU are and how they would outweigh the harmful effects, enough to make it worthwhile.
Rather than posting abuse like some sort of vindictive Kevin whose been told his fantasy isn't going to let him off his homework.
Ah mooman being the stereotypical leaver, no plan no idea no concept of logic. More interested in winding people up than coming up with a solution
No proposed benefit yet? And I don't mean "we can do our own whatever", I mean something, anything, that will be better in the UK post leaving the EU that couldn't be achieved without leaving. One thing.
He can't give any benefits. There are none. Unless you are a billionaire with fascist dictatorial leanings.
Just like the classifieds on here, one can get a view of folk by checking their attitudes and helpfulness across a number of threads.
Some of the Brexitrolls turn into normal people on other threads. Some are trolls and idiots across the board.
It’s enlightening.
And feel free to do the same to me.
Are we still waiting for mooman's magical Brexit benefits?
Apart from blue passports!
There are plenty of benefits!
No more pesky EU human rights act, the EU labor and employment laws can be dropped, no EU regulation on medicine, health, pollution or any of that inconvenient stuff!
The current and democratically elected prime minister along with her mates can give speeches on how this is the will of the people and therefore democratic.
(I am not being serious, before anyone gets any item of clothing knotted etc.')
To be fair on mooman, ninfan & the Leavers they were promised that the EU would be forced to accept whatever conditions we put on brexit, literally that we would 'hold all the cards'.
Instead they've had to watch the government concede to every single point in the talks so far, scheduling, exit bill, NI backstop, transition...*
The gov white papers have laid out that we will be following ECJ rulings, EMA regs, chequers deal confirms that even throwing in following EU regs on finance to keep the city happy, for all their sovereignty guff, we're now left as a rule taker, no longer with a seat at the table making them.
Worse still all their Brexiteer heroes have voted to accept these capitulations along the way, even with the numbers to remove May, they accept it all, simply because they have no better ideas.
And that's the issue, they know they were fooled by a bunch of clowns, who managed to win the vote, but had no idea how to deliver their promises.
So that's why trolling is about all they have left, (& blue passports obvs)
* In many ways the exit talks are a valuable lesson in what we can expect from future trade deals; as the smaller partner we will have to accept whatever conditions are put upon us, Trump's gotta be pissing himself laughing thinking about how supine DFDS Liam Fox will be !
I have some relatives who are brexshitters. they are now stating " it would all be fine if the government had not made a mess of the negotiations"
I suppose at least they are not blaming the EU for sticking to their rules and laws
That's an interesting development. The likes of ninpoop and moo now have two things to try and explain.
1: (still) what are the benefits of Brexit.
2: supposing this catastrophe is the result of poor negotiatiing skills, given the circumstances, how would they have done it better.
After all, it's the UK that's leaving.
Like a bunch of Hooray Henrys cancelling their subscription at the tennis club and then saying they want to come back whenever they like to use the sauna. Without paying.
Why would the EU feel like saying anything other than "Don't let the door hit you on the way out"?
they are now stating ” it would all be fine if the government had not made a mess of the negotiations”
If Theresa May had not allowed herself to be bounced into triggering A50, we could have spent the last two years figuring out what we wanted to do, without the impending deadline of a cliff-edge no-deal Brexit forcing our hand. I think the Brexiteers thought that the same cliff-edge would force the EU's hand but that doesn't seem to have worked out.
I guess it seemed like a good idea at the time.
Here's something that should interest the poop (if he's still around) especially with regard to the supply of insulin.
He'll probably hate the idea that it may alleviate suffering and deny him the opportunity to gloat at other's pain caused by his preference for Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45028842
Also - you are now in a situation where THE COUNTRY is stockpiling medicines.
Something that normally happens in a time of war.
Isn't there even the tiniest smidgeon of doubt in the minds of the 'patriots' who put the UK in this position that it wasn't perhaps a completely terrific idea?
1: (still) what are the benefits of Brexit.
I'll start.
1. Everyone in the country can now see what a two-faced, fat oaf Boris Johnson was all along. The scales have been lifted from our eyes. The fact that he might still end up as PM says more about the state of the Labour Party than anything else.
2. Indyref2 has been brought a generation closer. Whether this is a benefit or not depends on what you want to happen to the UK of course.
Also – you are now in a situation where THE COUNTRY is stockpiling medicines.
Something that normally happens in a time of war
Watch this space
The obvious benefit is no more freedom of movement. A lot of people do not like freedom of movement and to remove it would be a big benefit to them because they would feel happier. It doesn't need to be an actual benefit to the country as a whole.
Those same people would not even be able to notice the difference as it would not be visible but they would feel better knowing there are n less immigrants in their country.
I am right moonman ?
I Really should read the replies to my posts
Yes, because you might learn something. But instead you (like many people) choose to remain in your echo chamber because your ego is too fragile to cope with having to consider that you might be wrong.
Yes, because you might learn something. But instead you (like many people) choose to remain in your echo chamber because your ego is too fragile to cope with having to consider that you might be wrong.
It'll be 25 years until we can decide who was right and who was wrong. I'm betting on a draw.
Maybe this thread should be locked until 2043.
August 2013.
France and Germany are worried about the strength of the UK.
They raise a resolution to expel us from the EU.
The resolution is passed and the pound crashes by 20%.
Following the expulsion all UK citizens in the EU lose their right to stay.
All uk citizens are required to have visas and lose their right to travel and work in the Eu.
All eu businesses are required to relocate to the mainland.
Uk air certificates revoked.
Uk nuclear certificate revoked.
Uk expelled from all Eu projects.
All uk exports to the Eu are subject to customs checks.
Guards are placed on the Irish border to stop Uk citizens entering the Eu.
Would JRM consider that good news or an act of war?
Every flat roofed pub in the land would be raising a militia.
There are benefits to brexit. Ninfan explained that he would no longer be required to tolerate the imposition of cultural diversity upon his daily life. Hooray!
