These days I buy them by number
Oh yes me too!
Just goes to show what a minefield these Brexit negotiations are.
Good job we have such high quality people handling them, whom we can trust to do a careful and conscientious job.
What the Finns think of Brexit
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I would genuinely like a Brexiteer to a put a positive spin on this situation:
https://news.sky.com/story/long-read-governments-no-deal-brexit-plans-lost-on-m20-motorway-11454929
Interesting observation, i was wandering around the Farming community Brexit blogs (bear with me) and it us mostly populated biy people who think Rees Mogg is smashing and Maggie is a saint, needless to say tgey are mostly rampant brexiteers at any price.
Now if you identify those parts of the UK tgat have benefited from the EU it is reasonable to say that Farmers have had a pretty good time... not just subsidues but a very regulated market for their goods, also lots of EU labour to pick fruit etc.
Now i live in an agricultural community and by anfd large (sweeping statement) they are well off (kids in private school, nice cars, holidays, horses and spend shit loads in my local)
So why did they vote to leave?
You can apply this observation to other community's in the UK and they mostly voted to leave?
If you look at the folks who voted to stay by anc large they have had limited ecomomic benefit?
I suppose its down to not liking foreigners?
I suppose its down to not liking foreigners?
The EU have been a fantastic scapegoat they have been blamed for all the rules that government and councils have wanted to enact while simultaneously apparently binding our governments hands to stop them investing in depressed areas or boosting critical companies.
obviously no other EU member state has the same crippling issues...
I do find it amusing that people complain about rules that make our foods and medicines safer (anyone can look at the old doctor, dentist exemption medical trials to see the improvement) or by introducing product safety and work life rules.....
you cannot blame people for thinking what they have been told for 15 years is true. You can blame the people responsible for peddling this shite though
Farmers aren't known for being the brightest.
Yeah, so I said brexiters are thick. Sue me.
you cannot blame people for thinking what they have been told for 15 years is true. You can blame the people responsible for peddling this shite though
I'm not so sure, everyone has a certain amount of social responsibility .. critical thinking was drilled into us at GCSE level history, how to compare texts from different probably biased sources, and seperate opinion from fact to come to a reasonable assumption.
I didn't study history beyond GCSE, but anyone who claims to be vaguely educated and ignores overwhelming evidence from multiple sources just to repeat a tired mantra is either incapable of independent critical thinking or is lying due to a personal agenda they have.
A) Stupid OR B) insidious lying arsehole.
You may choose more than one option to answer this question..
A. Racist
B. A ****
Have you seen the new Stewart Lee show!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bdcnwq/stewart-lee-content-provider
Have you seen the new Stewart Lee show!!
Not yet. On it now.
it is reasonable to say that Farmers have had a pretty good time…
Not really. Real farmers are usually dirt poor. The ones with new Range Rovers, kids in private schools and lots of horses are rich people who've bought houses in the country. And consequently Tories.
Molgrips you are so wrong...
Often Tories, yes, but the rest of that is pretty off in my experience.
Not really. Real farmers are usually dirt poor. The ones with new Range Rovers, kids in private schools and lots of horses are rich people who’ve bought houses in the country. And consequently Tories.
Growing up on a farm I know a lot of farmers, most are not rich, many have got comfortable many are a bad year away from suicide. It's a very diverse industry which scale matters, I know many who work longer than most in here, don't go home on the whistle and make very little. They don't go to the union if the weather turns and they have to stay late, they don't have Sundays off or bank holidays.
Funny that.
I've done some extensive bike riding around the bridleways and moors, which often means riding past various country houses and farms..
I've noted that most working farms use cheap ten year old or older suzuki 4x4s or Nissan or Toyota..
It's more the posh crowd that bought a country home that buy landrovers with tinted windows and 20 inch alloy wheels.
and if we are talking whats on the drive check out most chavvy neighbourhoods with plenty of Baby RR's and 3 series to go round
Brexit is going to turbo-charge all the things that successive U.K. governments have done, that everyone hated, while blaming it all on the EU.
So for farming, all the small/medium sized farms will be bust within a year without their EU subsidies, and Mr Mahoosive Agribusiness (shall we guesss which way they voted) will step in to buy up their land at a snip.
The same will play out in every other sector. Brexit means the establishment of a corporate state. A neoliberal wet dream
FWIW the ea/gove have said that CAP will basically be replaced with, err, CAP.
mattyfez - how to compare texts from different probably biased sources, and seperate opinion from fact to come to a reasonable assumption.
I don't think some people realise the connections between many of the newspapers, so if its on more than one then it must be true.
FWIW the ea/gove have said that CAP will basically be replaced with, err, CAP.
Along with maintaining all other spending, a bonus for the nhs, establishing all the new agencies required, coping with job losses etc.
Sorry I forgot there is a magic money tree
And we all know that Michael Gove is a man of honesty and integrity who would never utter an untruth just to further his own agenda?
Numerically there are lots of poor hobby famers. The large influential ones are rich tories though. Huge generalisation of course but broadly true nevertheless.
Molgrips you are so wrong…
I grew up in a small country town, went to a rural school in Herefordshire where half the kids were famers or farm workers, and many of my mates were famers. I want to their houses and hung out on their farms. I ride through farms and past farmhouses several times a week in South Wales.
Like I said, the rich 'farmers' aren't the normal everyday type in most of the country. They are, as Mike says, mostly on the breadline.
Oldmanmtb needs some more diverse experience I think.
If I may digress for a moment... is it too early to wonder what's happened to ninpoop?
And we all know that Michael Gove is a man of honesty and integrity who would never utter an untruth just to further his own agenda?
Rumours are that Gove is drumming up support for a Norway+ model (i.e. what the EU want us to have), is going to get the pragmatic Labour MPs on side (so as to nullify the 60 odd Brexiteer MPs who are running / ruining the country at the moment) and come back in the Autumn to oust TM, become PM and take us out of the EU smoothly.
I don't think it'll happen but I'd put up with Gove as PM for a bit if it did!
Gove is an odd one, he does occasionally come up with some good ideas, I'm just not sure he has the skill or the balls to go through with them.
Farmers have been promised that funding levels will remain the same until 2022 but after that no commitments have been made. That's what Theresa May told farmers at the Royal Welsh Show last week anyway.
That’s what Theresa May told farmers at the Royal Welsh Show last week anyway.
While promising money for the NHS etc. and not being too clear about the costs of Brexit - again where is the cash coming from?
mikewsmith - While promising money for the NHS etc. and not being too clear about the costs of Brexit – again where is the cash coming from?
Debt, we're going to get into more debt.
One week we were being told that the NHS would receive extra funds resulting from the Brexit dividend and then the following week we were being told that duty on fuel would have to increase if we wanted to see NHS funding go up. This government doesn't know it's arse from it's elbow. They should get the financial department from Northamptonshire County Council in to run the country....
I see May is off to visit Macron to try & get around Barnier, as if Barnier wasnt being tld what to do by Macron & Merkel anyway!
If I may digress for a moment… is it too early to wonder what’s happened to ninpoop?
He’s likely laying low until everyone has mostly forgotten his post stating he’d gladly see people suffer if it’d amuse him in the process.
He’s likely laying low until everyone has mostly forgotten his post stating he’d gladly see people suffer if it’d amuse him in the process.
In that case, then, here's that post again..................
Could Ninfan explain specifically how brexit will make HIS life better?
And the response from ninfan:
i) I’ll be able to buy a pound of sausages
ii) Making your life worse
I think the OP in that little exchange was concerned about insulin supplies for a relative if memory serves.....
Sanofi has announced today they are beginning to stockpile, you would have thought given the PM has an actual interest in that one she might have made some progress here
Its not just drug companies local councils already on teh brink of collapse forced to devote resources to brexishambles planning
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1024587680699621376
Does sky news' stance reflect a change in murdoch's position?
in some ways yes. Murdoch wants May out to be replaced by someone from the hard right.
Does sky news’ stance reflect a change in murdoch’s position?
Sky News' editorial has been pro-Remain from the outset. It's basically at the point where your enemies enemy is your friend.
Faisal Islam has been quite doggedly exposing the shambles of the brexiteers & the government, The Times also
Im not sure whether its opposition to Brexit or opposition to the way its being handled,
At 87 Im not entirely sure how much direct influence he weilds any more, he apparaently suffered quite a serious fall, sustaining a head & back injury in January & had to be helicoptered of his yacht to hospital & has not been back in the office since then, described as MIA by his staff, but recently was spotted on the beach in st tropez
I wonder if he just cant be arsed with all that politicking any more
Ok my Father in law was an arable and pig farmer, my Dad worked on Farms all his life and i lived on farms until i was 23, i drink with multiple farmers and live in an agricultural community. Also one of my directors is a Farmers wife.
Hill farmers have always scratched a living, the lowland types i mingle with do a lot of chickens, pigs, beef and arable. About half of their kids go to private school, they are not short of cash.
They fight to the death to buy land at £10k an acre yet tell me they cant make money out of it?
I know local farmers who have historically been getting £100k subsidies per annum(tax free) One local farmer just bought another farm for £3m cash.
I know a lot are in debt and highly leveraged but so are many businesses.
They are experts at pleading poverty...
They fight to the death to buy land at £10k an acre yet tell me they cant make money out of it?
Yep
Having my usual grumble on FB about the WTO and someone said there could be a 10 year no change transition.
How come I've not heard of this and why aren't our leaders grabbing the potential life saver with both hands?
According to Hunt we are "heading for no deal by accident".
ermmm. no we are heading to it due to the tory mix of incompetents and those who think they will benefit from it
Anyone noticed the Farmers getting together to ask the govt for help as there's not been enough rain FFS.
How many SME ownes on here got help in the 2008 recession?
How many SME ownes on here got help in the 2008 recession?
Is it a quiz? I cheated and used google
The scale of the giveaway certainly sounded impressive. The centrepiece of the fiscal package was a big reduction in the main rate of value-added tax (VAT), which is charged on most goods and services, from 17.5% to 15%. This will take effect from the start of December and last until the end of next year at a total cost of £12.4 billion ($18.5 billion), equivalent to 0.8% of annual GDP.
The busy Mr Darling, keen to contrast Labour's willingness to intervene to support the economy with the opposition Tories' reluctance to endorse tax cuts financed by extra borrowing, had much else to give away. There was a package of measures to support small businesses, including a deferral to April 2010 of a planned increase next spring in the small-firm corporation tax rate from 21% to 22%. He also dipped into the public purse to help pensioners and families with children.
The chancellor had to make some further amends for the upset caused by Gordon Brown's last budget when it came into effect this spring and put over 5m families out of pocket. That had prompted a £2.7 billion unfunded tax relief for basic-rate income taxpayers, which was announced in May. Mr Darling made this help permanent and more generous at a cost of £3.6 billion next year.
Taking all his measures together, the chancellor is injecting an extra £9.3 billion into the economy in 2008-09 (the fiscal year runs from April to March) of which he had already announced £3 billion since his spring budget; rising to £16.3 billion in 2009-10, of which £1 billion had already been announced. That adds up to new measures worth £21.5 billion, of which £3 billion consist of planned capital spending being brought forward from 2010-11.
That may sound a big boost, but because it is spread over two years it is less so. Mr Darling's policy announcements since his budget in March will ease the fiscal stance by 0.6% of GDP in 2008-09 and by 1.1% in 2009-10. As a result Britain is still heading for a painful recession, despite the government's fiscal stimulus.
https://www.economist.com/britain/2008/11/24/a-shot-in-the-arm
another summary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_fiscal_policy_response_to_the_Great_Recession#United_Kingdom
So basically a lot, you seem to have it in for farmers there, the main difference is food production is up there as an industry of national importance, What happens if you let the dairy industry go to the wall? What about veg production?
This really isn't a time for vindictive measures.
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I just don't know how to respond, did Armando ianucci somehow script this
https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1024669462589583360?s=19
