Zippykona - brilliant!
A guy I work with is still convinced that the second we leave the pound is going to sky rocket and we should have already done it. He's not given a coherent reason why yet but he's of the belief that anything British is vastly superior to anything from anywhere else so we hold all the cards.
I don't think he's racist or stupid, I think he's just massively out of touch and lives in his own bubble with like minded people.
It’ll be 25 years until we can decide who was right and who was wrong. I’m betting on a draw.
so the 25 years in between we just ignore? a generation of children will grow up worse off than they could have been, so we'll ignore them until the sunlit uplands arrive?
so the 25 years in between we just ignore? a generation of children will grow up worse off than they could have been, so we’ll ignore them until the sunlit uplands arrive?
Sorry, you carry on scaring yourself and your children and wallowing in your misery for the next 25 years. Then we'll have a look and see how it worked out.
Not that we'll bother. Most people will have forgotten all about it, and those that have a dim recollection will wonder what all the fuss was about.
Sorry, you carry on scaring yourself and your children and wallowing in your misery for the next 25 years. Then we’ll have a look and see how it worked out.
Ah OK then, at least we will have lots more civil service jobs or contracts with G4S...
If you can't see the penalties the UK is already looking at then you probably don't get it, can't see many scare stories just uncomfortable truths that brexiteers have no answer for.
Not that we’ll bother. Most people will have forgotten all about it, and those that have a dim recollection will wonder what all the fuss was about.
Yeah, just like UKIP etc did
If you can’t see the penalties the UK is already looking at then you probably don’t get it, can’t see many scare stories just uncomfortable truths that brexiteers have no answer for.
Project fear all over again. Remind me of how the instant disaster predicted immediately after an exit vote panned out? Stuff will sort itself out. It always does.
Sorry, you carry on scaring yourself and your children and wallowing in your misery for the next 25 years.
So you are effectively saying shut up and stop complaining?
Stuff will sort itself out. It always does.
I think you mistyped "people will waste years of their lives trying their best to ameliorate problems caused by brexit rather than improving their lives and society generally".
Project fear all over again. Remind me of how the instant disaster predicted immediately after an exit vote panned out? Stuff will sort itself out. It always does.
Pound Dropped
EU Agencies Leaving the UK
Port of Dover and Eurotunnel
This is becoming reality right now, we don't have the infrastructure to cope with customs checks, how will that sort itself out?
Nursing Shortages
etc etc etc
Dismiss it all you want but things work themselves out because people get on and sort them, the freedom to do this is being taken away by idiots in the Tory party at the moment. You can carry on to stick your head in the sand if you want.
5th - it has panned out pretty nmuch as remain predicted.
recruitment crisis in the healthservice and in farming
vast amounts of jobs exported or in the process of being
Billions of pounds wasted - whats it at now? £1000 each citizen lost and year on year losses of 500 - 1000 every year?
Any positives? Even a hint of one?
Not that we’ll bother. Most people will have forgotten all about it, and those that have a dim recollection will wonder what all the fuss was about.
Nah the incompetence of the brexiters will be legend, it already is really
seeing the goovernment cave in on every single point in the negotiations is a pretty special moment in the nations history, have we ever handled international diplomacy so badly in the last 30+ years? youd have to be rather blinkered not to see that.
I cant see people brushing it under the carpet as youd like it & unfortunately for the leavers 48% of us know exactly who to blame!
Mogg is now saying 2050 before we see benefits, 5thelephant reckons 2043 - before we are breaking even? its funny coz dan hannan said that wed have signed a load of trade deals by now, in his now hilarious prophecsising : https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Stuff will sort itself out. It always does.
spoken like a true Leaver- the brexit faeries wave a magic wand & everything is golden !!
so far the government bill stands at £2bn, cost to economy reckoned to be £8bn? thats just from inflation, who knows how much teh contingency planning & stockpiling is costing
all this extra cost at a time of crushing austerity for the poorest- bankrupt local councils, policing crisis, worst ever NHS staffing crisis & wait times, when that money should be going to those that need it.
and should brexit happen, you do realise that next March a campaign to rejoin the EU begins. As the UKs GDP slips ever further behind the rest of the EU. the calls to rejoin will become greater.
We have been here before in the 50s,60s and 70's as the UK slipped into the post imperial void it joined the EU. The UK is a medium sized economic power in a world of massive trading blocks. It will have to chose who to align with and accept their rules.
If we do actually leave, I hope the likes of Mooman and Ninfan lose everything and end up destitute, living in a cardboard box under some graffitied overpass
My local councils official brexit report has identified a positive..
The only positive listed in Pembrokeshire council's register is "reduced demand for services if population reduces"...
They also identified 18 ways that it would have a negative impact...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45044334
Here's the document
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<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">2. Indyref2 has been brought a generation closer. Whether this is a benefit or not depends on what you want to happen to the UK of course.</span>
If the UK is still feeling bitter and resentful about the Brexit deal they've had to accept, I'd be worried about how the rUK would approach negotiations with Scotland in the result of a successful independence vote. After experiencing an object lesson in how the smaller party doesn't hold many of the cards when it comes to sorting out an exit deal, I suspect that there'd be a number of people keen to kick Scotland in the same way that the UK got kicked.
Yeah, thanks to everyone who voted to leave. The rest of my (normal) working life is going to be shit, thanks a ****ing lot. This means I'll struggle to save for retirement, a state pension will be non existent, and I'll work till I drop. Thanks a ****ing lot.
The only good thing is, I live in the south east, so I'll be relatively insulated from the fall out. All these people who voted for this north of the Watford gap, are ****ed, mogg and Johnson are going to screw you good and proper and I'm going to laugh my arse off.
Gove is leading us to a Blind Brexit now......
If the UK is still feeling bitter and resentful about the Brexit deal they’ve had to accept, I’d be worried about how the rUK would approach negotiations with Scotland in the result of a successful independence vote. After experiencing an object lesson in how the smaller party doesn’t hold many of the cards when it comes to sorting out an exit deal, I suspect that there’d be a number of people keen to kick Scotland in the same way that the UK got kicked
Might also demonstrate how to hold a negotiation, make sure you have a plan in place! Also the idea that the UK can leave the EU and not ow anything might come back and haunt any negotiations. Then there are details such as nuclear submarines, currently based in Scotland, oil and gas supplies etc.
Granted it could get messy, how far would the unionists push it?
Worth considering that Ireland broke free in 1920's and shows exactly how not to do it!
And quite how Scottish independence would play in NI?
to be fair the SNP have way more detailed plans about what might come next after Scotland left, their latest one was even quite honest in how tough it would be post oil boom.
The Brexiters have nothing to offer in a similar vein, David Davis own Impact assessments were so gloomy he lied through his teeth to keep them hidden from the public!
If Indy ref2 comes around, I would certainly be listening to any mood music from Europe, and watching how the practicalities of the Irish border pan out whilst filtering out the BS from many of the usual suspects. The SNP are fairly quiet on the firm line taken by Barnier, but will cry foul at any UK hard ball tactics in Indy negotiations.
I firmly believe that if we leave we have to be prepared to have a different currency, which to be fair is dawning on many. A currency union is something that is ingrained in being part of the UK, and we should not expect this to continue.
Like a bunch of Hooray Henrys cancelling their subscription at the tennis club and then saying they want to come back whenever they like to use the sauna. Without paying.
It's OK, we can just join the WTO Racquets Club up the road. I'm sure they'll have us.
What? There's a ten year waiting list? And their rules are worse than the ones we just walked away from?
Never mind, I'm sure by 2050 we'll be in a club somewhere....even if my knees are too ****ed to play tennis by then.
If Indy ref2 comes around, I would certainly be listening to any mood music from Europe,
The official line from the EU is that they won't interfere in the internal politics of a member state. Quite what happens if that member state leaves is another question.
I think you have scared yourself enough on the topics regurgitated on this page again - can you please start demonstrating your knowledge on farmers again please.
I think you have scared yourself enough on the topics regurgitated on this page again – can you please start demonstrating your knowledge of the benefits of brexit again please.
Brexit doesn’t need facts or data it is a faith.
Trouble is it is an old school one where you have to follow all the rules, donate most of your money and suffer as it will serve you well in the next life when you get the ‘dividend’... much like all the faiths the people at the top do much better from the manipulation compared to the desperate at the bottom...
The lack of expected benefits from mooman suggests he might be another "burn down your house with you in it, and then stand to one side, laughing, as other neighbours try and help get everyone out" type. There are Leave cheerleaders that expected real tangible benefits… but a minority have purely hate filled motives. I think that minority are coming to the fore now, as promised benefits look to be more and more elusive, and more and more people see that they may well have never really been on the table at all… those more questioning people who voted for positive change are quieter currently… but they're still out there… engage with them positively if you get the chance, we'll need to work with them whatever happpens next. Don't let the nasty, tiny, minority speak for all people who voted Leave.
That "blind Brexit" is exactly what I predicted way back. And I still think the consequences are likely to be what I surmised then.
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I have some relatives who are brexshitters. they are now stating ” it would all be fine if the government had not made a mess of the negotiations”
Said it before but this is actually a massive problem. What should have happened is a competent government gave it a good shot, but with the best efforts still couldn't produce a brexit that wasn't awful. But today, the pipe-dream of a succesful brexit still exists, because the government is too incompetent to even deliver a bad brexit. And when brexiteers say "It's because Theresa May is a dick", it won't be true, but it'll be compelling, because Theresa May is definitely a dick
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Stuff will sort itself out. It always does.
Is a marvellously sanguine way way to run your own life. It really is. Especially if you are a bit of a risk taker or like a sizeable flutter on the horses or somesuch. Very grounded. Keep this within the confines of stuff that affects you as an individual and that’s great.
Gambling with someone else’s money (and on a bet that has very long odds) and then expecting them to be happy because “stuff will work itself out” makes you sound monumentally arrogant, or bluff, or stupid or a combination of the three.
So, to give me more than just “stuff will work itself out”, can mooman (who i suspect may just be a proxy for ninfan) or 5thElephant please list out the benefits of Brexit, what the likelihood of them actually materializing is and when they will be seen?
Or is it all just a colossal mistake?
Said it before but this is actually a massive problem. What should have happened is a competent government gave it a good shot, but with the best efforts still couldn’t produce a brexit that wasn’t awful.
I know it was a Tory manifesto pledge, but the campaign was fought independent of party politics, and the actual process of leaving and negotiating should've been cross party. Something of this magnitude should never have been put to a public vote in the way it was, but it definitely should not be handled based on any one party's political position
A blind Brexit has advantages for the Leave camp - since the deal won't be decided before we've actually left, by the time we find out what the deal really is it will be too late to do anything about it. We need the deal now, so that the electorate can see how crap it is, and hopefully get the chance to vote on it.
Alternatively, we've already had the blind Brexit, when D Cameron decided to offer the voters the option of leaving, without having made any plans for how, or even whether, that choice could be delivered.
...or 5thElephant please list out the benefits of Brexit, what the likelihood of them actually materializing is and when they will be seen?
I can’t no. Didn’t vote for it. Have always maintained it won’t make much odds either way. Stuff always sorts itself out...
I know it was a Tory manifesto pledge, but the campaign was fought independent of party politics, and the actual process of leaving and negotiating should’ve been cross party. Something of this magnitude should never have been put to a public vote in the way it was, but it definitely should not be handled based on any one party’s political position
Even worse when you look back at what a total cock-up the whole thing is. Call Me Dave making a throwaway decision to cement his own position and silence the age-old rift within the Tories. Sure there was plenty of grumbling before about the EU, albeit mostly fed by the gutter press. But the vast majority of people who got all gammony about it really didn’t give a shit until the question was asked.
And yet, here we are.
The whole sorry episode is a case study in arrogance, cynicism and stupidity. We mock (righty) the US for electing that arsehole, but at least they can reverse that mistake in a couple more years. We’re going to be left with this disaster unless we grow up and stop this insanity.
Brexit, a skidmark in the pants of history.
Stuff always sorts itself out…
= I'll just put up with whatever happens and pretend I've never had it so good
Stuff always sorts itself out…
Ah, I see.
Are you getting to the point where you just sit for hours on end writing that out over and over again in handwriting that gets more and more spiky and illegible?
Stuff always sorts itself out…
What does this mean?
What does this mean?
Denial and can’t be arsed to think.
What does this mean?
The sky won’t fall. You won’t starve. Life will continue as normal.
All your panicking and denial is just upsetting you. So stop.
%th
Its already made a huge difference.
Massive recruitment issues in the NHS and in seasonal farming jobs
Many tens of thousands of highly paid / skilled jobs gone or going
Billions wasted and loss of economic activity worth 500 - 1000 per person in the UK that will be ongoing.
The sky won’t fall. You won’t starve. Life will continue as normal.
I see I don't know what we were worrying about setting that as our aim
The sky won’t fall.
true
You won’t starve.
true
Life will continue as normal.
clearly this is not true
Agreed. Billions wasted simply in administering this freak show of self harm. Now that could have gone to the NHS.
