Now is the time to stick the boot in to may though. If somebody in pmq could just manage to ask how much brexit is going to cost so far.... Of course pm you know the figures don't you....
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I do think this is a clear out, MayBot has seen the “quality” and “attitude” of her senior ministers and taken too much flack for it.
So, it’s just inevitable that heads will roll.
Project Brexit have had forty three years to get their sh** together. Forty three years.
FORTY F****** THREE years.
And this is the best they can do.
If it was a coherent set of ideals and with a reasonable plan, heck, I might have gone for it or at least, not remoaned. But this just a gushing, fountain of shit.
No politician interested in winning power is going to admit that brexit cannot work. Not until the public have changed their mind that is. This is why Corbyn won't declare his position. If they lead the anti-brexit argument then they'll be accused of being undemocratic. The tories are doing a damn fine job on their own of undermining it so there really is nothing to gain by labour declaring a position until the public have got sufficiently sick of it that they want it to be cancelled. Why would they do anything else?
Another general election please and have Corbyn pledge a 2nd referendum if elected.
Just heard there's a Private Members Committee meeting been scheduled for 5:30. Leadership battle in 5... 4... 3...
Now is the time to stick the boot in to may though. If somebody in pmq could just manage to ask how much brexit is going to cost so far….
Civil service bill was £2bn so far, who knows how much final cost would be, prep for no deal (May just saidallowing £3bn), FAC U customs proposal is a huge IT infrastructure project, May already admitted it wont be ready until 2022 (& then some....)
JLR say theve spent over £1m on no deal prep so far
DUP are now getting very nervous
The Labour party are no less split over Europe than the Conservatives we just don't see it because they aren't in power so the focus isn't on them but I have no doubt that if they were then they'd be pretty much tearing themselves apart too.
I think we can expect a general election by September and a hung parliament after that which is basically the worst possible outcome.
I think we can expect a general election by September and a hung parliament after that which is basically the worst possible outcome.
Depends which way a coalition falls and how much brexit truth is used in the debate.
DUP are now getting very nervous
Have they actually received any of the bribe they were promised in return for propping up the government? If we get another election, could they end up with nowt?
And yet he’s played the long game here.
You must be mad to think that he has any kind of long term plan at all. He's even keener on Brexit than Rees-Mogg.
Not many pages back we were hearing how may had played a blinder and this was all her grand plan
Why would he want to postpone something he’s been campaigning for over 35 years
Cos he's a democrat. If the majority of Labour supporters wanted to remain he'd have to change his mind.
https://twitter.com/SimonNeville/status/1016326356169314304
meanwhile do the 1922 committe have 48 letters yet???
I reckon not
Aaand no Brexit White Paper this week...
Far more important business to attend to.
Emily Thornberry has just been on Radio 5 running through the labour party's own magic unicorns Brexit. In 'a' customs union, but not 'the' customs union, outside the single market but with full access to the single market, and an end to freedom of movement
None of which is on the table, has ever been on the table, ever will be on the table or even open to debate
We really are ****ed! They're all as delusional as each other. Two cheeks of the same arse!
You must be mad to think that he has any kind of long term plan at all. He’s even keener on Brexit than Rees-Mogg.
Evidence of that?
Otherwise he wouldn't have kept quiet.
Emily Thornberry has just been on Radio 5 running through the labour party’s own magic unicorns Brexit. In ‘a’ customs union, but not ‘the’ customs union, outside the single market but with full access to the single market, and an end to freedom of movement
Im going to cut them all a bit of slack here. Things have got so intertwined who in their right mind could find the best path out of this and define it?
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And yet he’s played the long game here.
My gut feeling is that he's played the wrong long game. I reckon that the only time they'll really be comfortable being against brexit, is when there's actually a real, final, established brexit on offer and it's a total undisputable disaster.
But while that's on track to happen, we haven't actually got there. Right now, brexit is going nowhere but not because of brexit- because of Tories. So while they've been handed an open goal it's not the open goal they actually want. Right now, too much of the blame can be put places other than the basic madness of brexit and it's still possible for brexiteers to say "It would work if it wasn't for you remainers" and all that shit.
Ironically, this government is too incompetent to even deliver a clearly disastrous brexit.
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My gut feeling is that he’s played the wrong long game.
Maybe. I dare not predict anything these days.
BoJo resignation qoutes on BBC now, he is invoking empire and all that crap there
Him and DD might be planning a shot at the top job. A team that nobody could beat I'm sure.
May's kicked the can a bit further, brexit white paper been delayed another week now, so I don't think there will be enough support to oust May just yet.
& Everyone thinks Johnson is a shit
A full 2 pages there
That’s because he is a shit and has no support, even grass roots died in the wool Tory’s think he’s a proper embarrassment. He has brought nothing but hatred down on the party for his own political gains.
Hes an embarrassing fop who ought to crawl off to Argentina where the rest of them live out thier petty lives whilst forgetting thier own pasts and the chaos they cause/caused.
There will be a sigh of relief in the constituencies tonight.
The Tory’s must be sick and tired of being called out as racist nimbies and it’s only just sinking in.
The Tory’s must be sick and tired of being called out as racist nimbies and it’s only just sinking in.The Tory’s must be sick and tired of being called out as racist nimbies and it’s only just sinking in.
I know some of them must find the truth hurts too much
When it comes to being a complete and utter weapons-grade **** he really is in a league of his own
Is it time to follow Icelands' example from 5 years ago?
But the idea is sound. May could say “we need a reset to undo all the brexitteer minister’s bad work so are deferring a50 while we work out a plan”
Why would the EU extend A50, it was set at 2 years for a reason. That both main political parties were happy to trigger it with no plan wouldn't really give the EU much reason to rethink.
have to say there's been a definite shift in the gammons on the bbc HYS brexit stories! the top rated on the boris quiting is
Abandon Brexit altogether. It's not worth all the harm we are doing to ourselves. 988 up vs 660 down votes.
6 months ago it would have been 50:50 and a year ago would have easily been the other way round.
6 months ago it would have been 50:50 and a year ago would have easily been the other way round.
Does this in some way correlate with the desire to not have another vote or to ask any more questions by the hardline
next top rated is
Good riddance to him too. Sheer incompetence and utter shambles in so-called government – not fit to govern. End this madness and give the PEOPLE a VOTE.
807 up vs 432 down
6 months ago top rated would always be "you lost get over it" or words to that effect.. maybe the bbc is better at filtering out russian bots these days
should we move this discussion to the cycling forum, now that Boris has linked cycling and Brexit in his resignation letter.
I really feel like laughing a lot about this. I mean, the Nasty Party are going to immolate themselves at last over this Brexit nonsense. Having caused the issue entirely by themselves and Call Me Dave’s desperate need to shore up his own pillocks. Then May doubles down and gets herself in hoc to the DUP, who just happen to be in the one part of UK that has the most immediate and dangerous implication. Hilarious.
But then you realise that these bastards might even dare to ruin this country’s prospects for decades to come over what was always at heart a political in-fight between the ‘Only a bit nasty’ faction and the ‘outright foaming at the mouth racist’ faction within one party. Fueled by the like of Dacre - who really needs a shoeing. It’s my and my kids future at stake whilst these morons and shysters play their little fantasy games - all the time knowing they’ve probably got an off shore nest egg to insulate themselves from the economic holocaust they are likely unleashing. At this point you are wondering if there is a book depository anywhere near Boris’s route to work.
Why would the EU extend A50, it was set at 2 years for a reason.
EU have said it could be extended if requested.
Maybe, but this is a mutual bi-lateral need for both.
The EU, unlike the U.K. are a progressive and intellectual organisation not a retarded bunch of halfwits like the Tory’s are.
Cancelling A50 is simple, as simple as “we ain’t ready, we are unable to complete it, therefore we withdraw it” and the EU would say... “well, whilst we see all that effort you’ve made we understand the error of your ways and we have no problem with cancelling a50”
Mutual agreement. There isn’t anything in Law that can not be rescinded.
Mutual agreement. There isn’t anything in Law that can not be rescinded.
This exactly, the writing is going up on the wall day by day BoJo has a put up or shut up moment here, no amount of letter writing can make him anything more than a footnote.
we ain’t ready, we are unable to complete it, therefore we withdraw it
But would the EU be happy to accept that? If we said we screwed up and leaving is actually a bad idea. can we please withdraw I can see a better outcome. Simply saying we screwed up, but still intend to leave, sorry for wasting everyone's time, we need to waste more of your time.....
BoJo has a put up or shut up moment here
The problem is that has always been the way to deal with the brexiters sniping from the sidelines (or from the inner circle), just keep pushing them for their plans instead of allowing them to make vague promises of empire and taking back control. But no one does question them, and they just keep on quoting their vacuous soundbites without ever having to explain what they mean or give any detail, and to be honest I expect that situation to continue.
We don't just have a failure of the politics, there has been and abysmal failure of political journalism.
Today has been a good day 🙂
I can see a better outcome. Simply saying we screwed up, but still intend to leave, sorry for wasting everyone’s time, we need to waste more of your time…..
Better for who?
The bit about then needing us more than we need them is within the union. It's a perfect example of how getting out and being out is a much worse situation than any member had considered. The EU will not force the UK out - certainly not without it's exit payments - this will be the sort of stuff BoJo will be posturing with though
I made the mistake of listening to that prick farage on LBC a few minutes ago, he had a brexit supporter call in and say "if we don't fully leave the EU then i'm never voting again".
Eureka!.....Wow that's it, - if the other 17,410,432 ****tards who voted for brexit follow suit then all our problems are solved.
Looks like the Tories are getting starting to fall apart in public.
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1016329921449390081
Better for who?
Simply closure, the world moves on, how much time does the EU want to spend dealing with the screaming child at the back of the class and how much to moving forward. New trade deals with Australia and NZ, the African Union, dealing with migration from Africa and the Middle East east. As well as Italy, Greece, etc.
Ah so not better for the UK....