I’m enjoying all this.
I'm not, and the problem has always been that while the tory shysters jostle for power and think they are being all machiavellian, the futures of 60 million people hang by a thread. It really is time to take these ****ing ****s out of office by force.
Awesome, it’s all I’ve been calling for ever since this pathetic political boys club started infighting.
By by you lying halfwit.
Of course he had no support, no one left to prop up his ego and he hated being the brunt of his own incapabilities.
I think he was pushed though, MayBot told him to tow the line and he’s such a petulant idiot he didn’t understand the question.
Of course the cynic in me says this was all designed from the outset of the result, one to play the “we’re taking back control” to fool the public in thinking the Contards had the right way to go about running and ruining the country.
Morons taken over the asylum? Nope just incompetent pre-teens having an internal strop at our expense.
Thanks idiots, you truely are nasty pieces of human.
Brilliant. They either have to challenge her leadership and end up landed with a disaster they now know they cannot fix or go down in history as failed spineless quitters.
I’m not, and the problem has always been that while the tory shysters jostle for power and think they are being all machiavellian, the futures of 60 million people hang by a thread. It really is time to take these * * out of office by force.
This is exactly my thought. This is much, much bigger than party politics and yet that is what it seems to have descended in to.
How the chuff have we managed to get in a position where 15 months after triggering article 50 the ruling party finally publishes its policy (not what's actually going to happen mind, the eu have not even had their say yet) and then implodes. Surely you get your shit together before you send the letter. We've got 9 months left ffs.
This is properly not funny.
Tell us exactly what they will do and then hope an election comes as they tories fall further apart
Maybe I'm being optimistic but I suspect this is exactly their strategy. Wait for the tories to implode and with it turn much of the population against brexit, then take a softer stance in advance of a new election.
And Gove has been neatly trapped as well. Whatever he does now everyone will hate him.
And Gove has been neatly trapped as well. Whatever he does now everyone will hate him.
Now?
Whatever he does now everyone will hate him.
You say that like it's anything new.
Votes on Boris's replacement, then? Rudd? And Pob for PM within a week.
Williamson rubbing hands with glee?
Even Bercow trolling May openly in HoC right now
Quick Blame the EU!
We’ve got 9 months left ffs.
Less six months for the EU parliments to vote on it
Less the UK parliments vote on it
Less the summer break
So really the tat just issued was the first and last attempt at a solution...
Corbyn now needs to grow a set of balls
Say what now? This guy is a total waste of space.
John Smith, Tony Blair, Neil Kinnock, christ even Michael Foot would've ripped this shower a new arsehole by now, but this idiot doesn't have the fortitude to actually take a stance.
He's as bloody bad as Boris.
This flew under the radar. Steve Baker walked shortly after DD.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-44766822/steve-baker-on-his-resignation-as-brexit-minister
Say what now? This guy is a total waste of space.
John Smith, Tony Blair, Neil Kinnock, christ even Michael Foot would’ve ripped this shower a new arsehole by now, but this idiot doesn’t have the fortitude to actually take a stance.
He’s as bloody bad as Boris.
The biggest insult to Labour right now is that even as The Conservatives rip themselves apart, Labour are making little or no gains. The are being given an open goal and they are doing all they can to miss it. Idiots.
The biggest insult to Labour right now is that even as The Conservatives rip themselves apart, Labour are making little or no gains. The are being given an open goal and they are doing all they can to miss it. Idiots.
Yep, It's laughable.
is there an upside for Labour getting off the fence ? What they win from Libdem remainers they lose in express reading working class voters and visa versa - there are probably very little gains for them in tory heartlands either way
Labour are making little or no gains. The are being given an open goal and they are doing all they can to miss it. Idiots.
Playing devil's advocate here - why would they actually want it? I can't see anyone in their right mind wanting to be in power right now.
Labour are on a sticky wicket. Conventional thinking suggests that a large percentage of their traditional base support are still very pro leave. Sometimes the clever thing to do is say nothing, and allow the opponent to destroy themselves. I hope.
why would they actually want it? I can’t see anyone in their right mind wanting to be in power right now.
Because they are the opposition and it's kinda what we pay them for?....
At least there are some politicians who are on the right side of the argument, capable of summing up the situation without spin or dogma. If we have yet another election, perhaps this chap can handle things?
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This flew under the radar. Steve Baker walked shortly after DD.
& been replace dwith the guy that wanted a list of all acadenics that opposed brexit
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Phil Hammond has just given May his "full support". Isn't that usually the first step in mounting a leadership challenge?
why would they actually want it? I can’t see anyone in their right mind wanting to be in power right now.
Because what we need now is politicians who will provide a direction for the good of the country instead of the good of themselves and their party, not that there seems to be any ****ing chance of that.
Where's Wolfie Smith when you need him?
What an absolute shower of shit this government and the opposition have got themselves in, I despair, can we not just banish the lot and start again?
Because they are the opposition and it’s kinda what we pay them for?
That doesnt mean that it would be a good idea for them to commit suicide. Although Labour party members are majority anti Brexit a lot of Labour constituencies voted for Brexit. So if they went anti Brexit they could risk being wiped out entirely.
Somebody dig out that graph that shows Labour have all of 3 swing constituencies to win by being pro-EU.
Bugger.
Where's David William Donald Cameron? Shurely he'll know what to do?
"Get the pig! Get the pig! No! Just the front bit!".
"Niiiiiicceeee...."
Apparently if cabinet members had resigned at Chequers, they would have had to walk a mile to the gate and find their own transport home. Davis and Boris are just lazy tight fisted gits resigning now.
So if they went anti Brexit they could risk being wiped out entirely.
Yep. They won't gain tory seats and will just lose some labour seats in which case they will never get into power and therefore not be able to do anything for the good of the country.
Phil Hammond has just given May his “full support”. Isn’t that usually the first step in mounting a leadership challenge?
Just like when football clubs say the the manager has the full support of the Board, just before they sack him?
we really must be an EU laughing stock.
May was a remainer wasn’t she? Is it feasible that this is all part of the grand plan to give the brexiteers enough rope, let them well and truly hang themselves, and then cheerily call the whole thing off? Or am I giving her too much credit by several orders of magnitude?
I strongly suspect the latter, unfortunately.
A lot of those core working class voters though would rather die than vote Tory.
they vote UKIP
Corbs doesn't need to call it off anyway, he can just say "we need a reset to undo all the tories bad work so are deferring a50 while we work out a plan" - job done?
Sometimes the clever thing to do is say nothing, and allow the opponent to destroy themselves. I hope.
Yep, it's been a smart move. The amount of vitriol being poured on Corbyn over this is laughable.
And yet he's played the long game here.
why would they actually want it?
To save the UK from remaining hamstrung by the Neoliberal Rich Man's club of the EU, comrade. ...but yes in practice they deffo don't want to be in power.
...and Boris will never lead the Tory party, he's the Tory Corbyn and they've seen how that film ends.
Supporting "Brexit, but not this Brexit" just means that he ends up exactly where May is now, should he win a snap election. Where does that get us? Different colour, same mess. Someone needs to get support for a manner of achieving Brexit, or for not carrying on with it. Constructive ambiguities only work 'till you have to present a plan, and get people to back it, as this week is showing.
Corbs doesn’t need to call it off anyway, he can just say “we need a reset to undo all the tories bad work so are deferring a50 while we work out a plan” – job done?
Why would he want to postpone something he's been campaigning for over 35 years and which would make his last election manifesto legally possible.
But the idea is sound. May could say “we need a reset to undo all the brexitteer minister's bad work so are deferring a50 while we work out a plan”.
Mind ewe, is that even required. Parliament have already voted for an indefinite interim period - that's "remaining" AFAIC.
Why would he want to postpone something he’s been campaigning for over 35 years and which would make his last election manifesto legally possible.
wow are people still pushing that myth?
What a bloody mess!
Given our shit FPTP voting system, once May came out and said Tories were pro-Brexit in the recent General Election, we needed Corbyn to say Labour were anti-Brexit. Lib Dems were anti-Brexit, but due to the FPTP system, people would see it as a "wasted vote" to suddenly change to them when Lib Dems were often the third party at best.
We either need May to see sense and scrap A50, or for another General Election to be called and have at least one of the two main parties to go Bremain.
... And then please give us a better voting system for the future, along the lines of Proportional Representation.
Politicians need to stop this shenanigans of using Brexit as a weapon of power between parties and within parties, we've seen enough economic decline over the last ~23 months and the Brexit deal currently looks like it's no better than what we have had since the EU powers have silently grown over 40-odd years.