[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

All of the 'this will/won’t happen if we leave' also hinges on the premise that the EU will stay the same as it is now minus the UK.

If we do leave, what are the chances that other countries would look to leave the cosseting embrace of the EU as well? How unstable would the EU be if we left or would they hardly notice the door closing behind us?

t is really whether we want to eventually be subsumed into the EU federal state or not.

Merkel came in to the room and went straight up to the guy Cameron was talking to and shook his hand, effectively ignoring Cameron completely. I think that says it all.

Thanks for the info.

I am definitely voting based entirely how she shakes hands with folks

it was the way she blanked/cut-off Cameron that held the message.

You do realise that was a joke?

Yep, but your comment reminded me of that graph, so I posted it....

effectively ignoring Cameron completely.

To be fair, she must be sick and tired of him by now. Put up or shut up springs to mind.

it was the way she blanked/cut-off Cameron that held the message.

what was the message, she doesnt like oily PR douchebags?

high five merkel!

Haven't seen the clip, but what was the context?

I frequently go to meetings where some parties have had a "pre-meeting" or had met earlier in the day, in which case the focus is entirely on the "new" attendee... (no idea if this applies, but could be one explanation - isn't diplomatic protocol normally fairly rigorous???)

She must be sick to death of Cameron and Britain. We do nothing but moan, are totally unconstructive and endlessly try and get special status / exemption from everything. It's like having a contract where every 10 minutes the customer phones up and asks to change the terms of the deal....

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And how many of the poor are poor because they're, to put it plainly, thick - consequently they're unable to actually understand facts and work out the consequences of those facts?

Well obviously poor people are poor because they are thick, whilst really wealthy people are incredibly intelligent.

I reckon THM is probably so rich that he's close to making it onto the Forbes List, if he hasn't already.

[i]it was the way she blanked/cut-off Cameron that held the message. [/i]

or in true continental style she'd already shook hands with Cameron earlier in the day and hadn't with the chap he was talking to?

This use to catch me out when in France (many years ago I had a team in Paris along with my UK ones). As I have the memory of a sieve and I'd struggle to remember who'd I'd met that day and who I hadn't - major faux pas 😉

[i]Well obviously poor people are poor because they are thick, whilst really wealthy people are incredibly intelligent[/i]

Not at all what I said.

"Exactly WHERE are all these Eastern Europeans coming from? "

"Exactly WHERE are all these Eastern Europeans coming from? "

Essex.

Not at all what I said.

As you can see I copied and pasted what you said, which included :

[i][b]"And how many of the poor are poor because they're, to put it plainly, thick"[/i][/b]

The bit about [i]"poor people are poor because they are thick, whilst really wealthy people are incredibly intelligent"[/i] is what I said, which is why I kept it out of the quotation box.

I can't see a problem with it. Unless you are challenging my logic?

How childish to pretend that you meant something different - it's sort of thing that you might expect from a 13 year old. I don't think he's 13

Anon 😉

Well I'm thick anyhow so that's hardly surprising THM. However I think that copying and pasting what someone says and then giving your own take on something doesn't really constitute pretending they meant something else.

br asked how many of the poor are poor because they're thick. I said that the poor are poor because they are thick and really wealthy people are incredibly intelligent.

I still can't see what the problem is apart from perhaps not agreeing with me.

E2:E4 😉

Are you two secretly engaging in chess?

I don't know what THM is on about. I didn't like to ask in case it made me look stupid.

Well, stupider than I am.

Yes, but those are just established facts and thus can be completely discounted in jambaland as being completely and utterly incorrect.

I am all for immigration @footflaps, controlled immigration. It can only be better if you select people based on skills.

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Mekel is very keen for Britain to remain in the EU, of all members Germany has the most to loose from us leaving

A points based system is to clumsy for modern labour markets, so creating a geographic pool in which movement is unrestricted makes sense.

That Paul Sagoo quote is one to ponder. If someone turns up with a decent points score do we kick out someone "born and bred" in the UK with a very low score as it would be unfair to give them special consideration due to their geographical place of birth? One in one out. No net immigration AND we get skilled workers. Surely the out campaign can get behind that.

Points based system allows us tweak the requirements based on what we need. Australia is a great example, they don't need executives or PhDs, they have been targetting tradesmen. Add to that its regional, they need immigrants into Western Australia so thats the focus, getting a visa for say Sydney is very difficult

will we also imprison asylum seekers on detention centre islands like the australians do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru_Regional_Processing_Centre

This is what Jeremy Corbyn had to say about the EU when he was campaigning to become leader of the Labour Party

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If someone turns up with a decent points score do we kick out someone "born and bred" in the UK with a very low score as it would be unfair to give them special consideration due to their geographical place of birth?

it would be good if we could ship those football fans somewhere...

Points based system allows us tweak the requirements based on what we need.

On what you think we need.

What happens when what we need is unskilled fruit pickers or abbatoir workers (like we do now)? Then we'd have to let people in with no skills. Lolz!

From what I've read, the migrants seem to be fitting in fairly well with the economy.. which would tend to support the idea that people migrate to where they're needed - which is the point of free labour movement isn't it?

@jambayla...Australia is shockingly racist. It has forced the Aborigine's into isolation and they are now living in squalid, inhumane conditions, and suffering from unnecessary disease only miles from tourist destinations...they turn away boats of immigrants and allow them to drown at sea because of it....imo Australia is not a country to be aspiring towards...

Points based system allows us tweak the requirements based on what we need. Australia is a great example, they don't need executives or PhDs, they have been targetting tradesmen. Add to that its regional, they need immigrants into Western Australia so thats the focus, getting a visa for say Sydney is very difficult

This is the same Australia that is forecast to have a 2.3 million shortfall in labour by 2030 right?

Shining beacon etc etc etc

I kind of think this thread should be locked for 24 hrs...?

What a mess, what a miserable angry mess, what a miserable angry hateful mess. I've just watched the news and I'm ashamed of half of what I am. Hooligans in Lille, Brexit xenophobia, Jo Cox dead. I'm ashamed. 🙁

I'll leave my keyboard now my tears might break it.

Why. I decided not say this on the other thread, but why the **** is it okay to discuss all sorts of theories when 50 people get shot and killed in the States by a Muslim - but if a white guy kills one person....we have to show some respect. It's a form of shutting down uneasy criticism.

What a mess, what a miserable angry mess, what a miserable angry hateful mess. I've just watched the news and I'm ashamed of half of what I am. Hooligans in Lille, Brexit xenophobia, Jo Cox dead. I'm ashamed.

I'll leave my keyboard now my tears might break it.

+1

It has isolated the Aborigine's and they are living in squalid, inhumane conditions, and suffering from unnecessary disease only miles from tourist destinations...

Yeah but how many points have they got ?

"Points Mean Prizes"

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They've got to play their cards right.

Edukator - cannot argue with that. What a complete load of arse this all is

Why. I decided not say this on the other thread, but why the **** is it okay to discuss all sorts of theories when 50 people get shot and killed in the States by a Muslim - but if a white guy kills one person....we have to show some respect. It's a form of shutting down uneasy criticism.

Because it's different when it's someone you know. Because it's different when it happens in your town. Because it's different when it happens in the next street to yours.

Because it's different when it happens to someone you can identify with. And when you can identify with their friends and family.

All perfectly normal and acceptable human emotions.

If we mourned the death of everyone throughout the world in the same way as we mourn the death of those closer to us/home we would never be able to get on with our lives.

because its different when they are white is the main one though

Brexit xenophobia. Sorry that insults me. I'm out. I don't do broad sweeping insults

If you are going down that road then surely it would be because they were gay.

Sorry but it's a crock of shit. The main reason is a above, its relatable, why do you think people can largely ignore the refugee crisis until that poor little boy got pictured on the beach.

because its different when they are white is the main one though

I doubt that had Jo Cox been black it would have made much difference to people's reactions.

The main point is that she was British, lots of British people knew her, and it happened on a British street.

You don't have to be a racist monster to be shocked over the murder of someone you knew (or knew of) or that happened on your doorstep, so to speak.

I would question the empathy of someone who was as emotionally detached from a local murder as they were to a murder which occurred thousands of miles away.

its relatable.

Indeed, and people are already tentatively relating it to the heat and fury of the referendum debate

@jambayla...Australia is shockingly racist. It has forced the Aborigine's into isolation and they are now living in squalid, inhumane conditions, and suffering from unnecessary disease only miles from tourist destinations...they turn away boats of immigrants and allow them to drown at sea because of it....imo Australia is not a country to be aspiring towards...

Very much like how Israel treats Palestinians, which is probably why Jambalaya is such a fan of it.

Rkk01 - i suspect it has crossed a lot of people's minds. I hope beyond everything that it doesn't have anything to do with the referendum. However if it does - all sides should hang their heads in shame and think about how the rest of the debate should continue.
Nothing like this is worth a life whoever it is

More likely to just be someone with metal health issues. It's not the first time an MP has been attacked in their surgery and won't be the last.