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Maybe they had received countless 'thick ears' each time they came home with a broken flask...
Hence the good behaviour...
Assume OP was joking about disadvantage
don't agree with bans. If people wanted to drink stuff that we know is shit and full of worse than that and if parents are happy the let their kids drink the same rubbish, then that's their look out.
By all means publicise what's in the crap but no need to ban it.
But the news is still running the 'teachers welcome the proposed ban on energy drinks'
which teachers?
and the news hasn't differentiated between caffeine and sugar. Two separate issues.
when people are old enough to work, they find that caffeine is pretty much necessary
What complete and utter bullshit! Do you really, really believe that? People can't work without caffeine?
By all means publicise what’s in the crap but no need to ban it.
They're not they're talking of an age limit you know just like alcohol.
and the news hasn’t differentiated between caffeine and sugar. Two separate issues.
Because they're talking about energy drinks not separate ingredients.
in my day we used ProPlus…
As did we. Along with Redbull, and vodka 🙂
Apparently these “energy” drinks have a similar amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee, and the same amount of sugar as any other sugary kids drink e.g. Coca Cola
A can of monster has 55g of sugar and 32mg of caffeine.
Pretty sure thats about a **** tonne more sugar than is in a can of coke
in my day we used ProPlus…
In my day we had amphetamines, they helped you lose weight too!!
That will teach me for reading the bloody Guardian drac : government to ban energy drink sales to children in England
papers and the Beeb exaggerating again
I think a few people have missed the fact that the OP (amongst others) wasn’t being entirely serious. The rate at which some people go off thee deep end on here is comedy gold.
And this ban will do what exactly? Or is it just to give the politicos a shaft rub, so they think they did something useful?
id say that once you're on the mortgage treadmill, caffeine probably helps muchly.
still think that the govts throwing out the baby (caffeine) with the bath water (sugary drinks).
the energy drinks are probably full of a lot of crap (which the caffeine helps you to excrete...the irony, lol)
theyre no substitute for a proper cuppa, but it's still cheaper than nipping round to costa/ Starbucks.
the caffeine use is a substitute for the lack of parental involvement. It's that parental involvement, particularly from the age of twelve years onwards that has a huge bearing on a child's educational outcomes.
Before energy drinks became popular you would just buy some tablets that done the same job. Pro Plus or similiar. They just didn't have the same effective advertising as the drink companies.
Before energy drinks became popular you would just buy some tablets that done the same job. Pro Plus or similiar.
Did you wash them down with honey?
So in March the supermarkets banned sales to under 16s
Now the government are going to make it official?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-45342682
So what happened to make this news? Did I miss some kind of expose about teenage addict or the like?
Personally I would agree that children should not have them and really adults should only have them sparingly. That being said if you are an adult and you want to just drink red bull until your body fails off you go, there are plenty of other legal things you can do that will also kill you.
edit- ahh pro plus and a can of coke the quickest way to get to sleep after the massive rush subsided.
papers and the Beeb exaggerating again
Except they are entirely correct in saying they are considering a ban, a pedent like you should understand that. Still people are easily fooled just look at the brexit thread
It's poor Danny I feel sorry for. Still, at least he has his Eberspacher to keep him cosy.
I don’t get it. Is it because they are full of sugar? Then ban all sugary drinks.
Is it because they make people “hyper”
well again it can’t be because of the sugar
https://www.popsci.com/does-sugar-make-kids-hyper
and the caffeine is no more than a cup of coffee - so ban the sale of coffee to under 18’s
oh it must be because of taurine.
damm.
So why are we banning “energy drinks”?
just as an aside, my completely anecdotal, experience is that the perceived enhanced effect of energy drinks vs a strong cup of coffee with 4 sugars is mainly placebo. I.e I used to work with kids who would neck the coffee, then fall asleep in the class, but would go bat shit mental with a shared can of red bull. I.e they are told it makes them hyper so they act hyper.
energy drinks vs a strong cup of coffee with 4 sugars
4 sugars is about 16g
Can of Monster is 55g
I was being ever so slightly tongue-in-cheek, but some pertinent issues remain;
Proliferation of sugar everywhere, not just in energy drinks.
lack of parental time/ resources negatively impacting on pupils. This remains a key factor in educational outcomes, even when the child attends grammar school.
the potential for caffeine to (slightly) ameliorate any educational disparities.
perhaps a need for more research into the health benefits derived from consuming freshly ground coffee.
Btw, ive been quaffing tea since a three year old, so I simply can't comprehend how people can exist, caffeine free:)
I've tried pro-plus...very little effect tbh.
seems like it's the specific formulation of caffeine that matters.
the potential for caffeine to (slightly) ameliorate any educational disparities.
I'm not sure what this means but I think its the sugar content thats the major issue!!
papers and the Beeb exaggerating again
The Beeb said under 18s.
papers and the Beeb exaggerating again
Is there a link?
4 sugars is about 16g
Can of Monster is 55g
And your point is? A level teaspoon is four grams, a heaped one is nearer double. A can of monster is probably larger in volume than a normal mug...
Dont get me wrong, excess sugar is bad... but the focus on energy drinks is frankly wrong. If it is a dietry issue around obesity, then set a limit for all fizzy drinks, or ban all sales of fizzy drinks to children (as an aside normal coke is 39g for 330ml, so not that different per ml than monster)
Is it that energy drinks are marketed succesfully at youngsters... well coke and pepsi and fanta dont do that, do they.
The message behind the ban is unclear, I wonder if it is just a sop to a popular view that energy drinks make children unruly, rather than an actual attempt to make our children consume healthier drinks
edit: I have read the attached bbc article and it is interesting, I still see that there are numerous mentions of behaviour.
Personally i would rather see a ban on any soft drink sale to children, where the sugar content is higher than a certain proportion by volume, rather than saying we are banning energy drinks!
Red bull and monster already sell zero sugar versions of their flavoured pop..
And your point is?
The comparison was not good.
Is it that energy drinks are marketed succesfully at youngsters… well coke and pepsi and fanta dont do that, do they.
That together with the sugar and caffeine content.
when people are old enough to work, they find that caffeine is pretty much necessary
Really. I know very few people who consume coffee constantly, most only drink it at allotted break times.
Unless you’re referring to the desk bound few who can grab a coffee any time they like. I’ve never needed coffee to function at work, and still don’t.
I could well be talking out of my arse here ..but isn't there already a " ban " on energy drinks to kids under sixteen ?
My fifteen year old can't buy Monster / Red Bull etc.drinks locally without ID ..this is not because of the sugar content as someone rightly pointed out that there are now sugar free options ..but because of the caffeine content ...( which means he can't buy them ).
In other news ..the Arsenal manager has banned " fruit juice " energy drinks from the training ground ( Lucozade Sport ?) & canteen ..to be replaced with just water ..
Wait until Mezut Ozil hears about this ..he will pull a six month sick note ( sorry if you aren't a football fan as you won't know what the **** I'm on about ).
I don't see any evidence locally of these cans (g)littering the place..and I'm pretty sure I would notice ...
I could well be talking out of my arse here ..but isn’t there already a ” ban ” on energy drinks to kids under sixteen ?
No, a few shops took on a voluntary ban mainly last year.
I don’t see any evidence locally of these cans (g)littering the place..and I’m pretty sure I would notice …
You live in a village of where you'd probably though who dropped it without even seeing them.
Fair point Drac ..
Yeah links no comments
Come on Mike you can Google the comments. 😬
The issue is surely that energy drinks are sort of fashionable for 13-17 yo kids? Why, I don't really know, but you see them hanging around in parks trying to impress girls holding a massive can of whatever. It's almost like a legal beer. I'm sure it's a bit of a fad and will probably go away if we leave it alone. On the other hand, you can be sure that banning their sale will only increase popularity...
The issue is surely that energy drinks are sort of fashionable for 13-17 yo kids?
Round me me the kids are holding canisters of nitrous... anything that gives a bit of a buzz and is accessible will be in fashion. Once they ban these then there will be government warnings on coffee and then any kind of stimulant..
Post-ban, as soon as the withdrawal symptoms kick in, they'll be forced to familiarise themselves with drip filters , French-presses and percolators.
thats a whole cadre of baristas in the making!
caffeine isn't just a stimulant. The proper stuff (freshly ground) has some kind of galvanising effect. Anecdotally though, it seems to assist the body metabolise nutrients. More research required!
there may be people who get through their working day without it, but they may be missing out on its other benefits.
Vochy - lucozade have already reduced the sugar content to avoid the sugar tax so it is now less effective than it used to be for treating hypos. It doesn’t contain high quantities of caffeine so I can’t imagine diabetic children having problems obtaining sugary drinks unless they also want a buzz...
Apparently these “energy” drinks have a similar amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee
Depends what you consider to be a “cup” of coffee. 500 mL monster has about 170 mg of caffeine. The original sized Redbull had 80 mg of caffeine. The amount of caffeine in a coffee varies enormously with the production method, the size of the drink etc. But a double espresso is usually roughly about 80 mg caffeine (hence the claim a can of Redbull is about the same). A cup of crappy Nescafé has a bit less. However someone drinking a can of monster is having the equivalent of more than four espressos... there’s young guys in my office having three cans a day - that’s 12 espressos worth (and thats just in office hours), talking to them this is behaviour that started at school. I doubt there are many school pupils necking a dozen espressos during the day...
My thoughts are it's just a fashion thing and not a good one at that.
I don't really buy the diabetic aspect, you can always dump a load of sugar granuals into a glass of warm water if really stuck.
The caffeine content in many energy drinks is too high, granted you can get coffee with high caffeine if your a coffee aficionado and that's your preference.. But it seems detrimental and irresponsible to me to package up a high caffeine high sugar fruit flavoured carbonated drink aimed at children.
Unless you’re referring to the desk bound few who can grab a coffee any time they like. I’ve never needed coffee to function at work, and still don’t.
Agreed. I spend a lot of time in the office with access to a bean to cup machine and very nice it is too. Don't need it to function though. If I do have a coffee it's for pleasure, not out of necessity.
there may be people who get through their working day without it, but they may be missing out on its other benefits
Get through the day? Sounds to me like you either have a caffeine addition or have attention seeking issues.
Back online...for the time being, lol!
i think that the huge cans may be replaced by huge coffee flasks as the 'must-have' fashion accessory.
yes, slightly caffeine dependent, but as sports types have noticed, along with chocolate and creatine, caffeine has performance -enhancing features. Wasn't gianni bugno temporarily banned from pro-cycling for exceeding the max six cups per day?
though in my case, not being an elite level athlete, the positive effects are mostly cognitive.
as for attention-seeking?
with my looks, I can draw a crowd just opening a bag of crisps.
Yeah I can see it now kids hanging out on the street corners and bus shelters with their Thermos flasks and tartan blankets.
Or clustered around an aeropress.
Next new thing will be chewing coffee... like chewing tobacco but gives a caffeine hit...