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But you're the one that says the Falklands should be handed back to the Argentines against the will of the islanders
I've never said that ! 😀
BTW, I find it interesting that you should say "handed back"......changed our position again have we ?
Druidh, thank you.
I've seen the test a while back (and forgot the website) but did n't remember those graphics.
Ernie, The test may well be a farce too, but that doesn't prove that our democracy isn't. 😉
This could be great news for public sector workers who are located on the SE fringe and suffer inflated house prices but who don't get any weighting for it. For example, Cambridge or Bristol based civil servants could benefit massively, as house prices are near Londons but wages much lower.
We will soon be doffing our caps to the lords of the manor.
This government are intent on destroying any public service.
Remember Beeching and the railways! same for public services - there will not be any, and no chance of bringing them back later.
Going back 100 years
rich get richer the poor get poorer
Live in London get rich, live eleswhere get poor
Live in London get rich, live eleswhere get poor
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[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/19/london-poverty ]London has highest rates of poverty and inequality in UK[/url]
csb - MemberThis could be great news for public sector workers who are located on the SE fringe and suffer inflated house prices but who don't get any weighting for it. For example, Cambridge or Bristol based civil servants could benefit massively, as house prices are near Londons but wages much lower.
I don't think this is being brought in to [i]raise[/i] wages in the public sector 😕
Bridport and Lyme Regis are known as 'Notting Hill on Sea'because of all the Londoners [DFLs] buying their 2nd homes or selling up in London and moving to the good life!
I agree there is a lot of poverty in London and there are many very low paid workers - they will just get poorer under this government - but the 'quick buck' boys will get richer!
thekingisdead - no, but they [u]may[/u] lift the pay freeze sooner to recognise higher costs in these places
It means that the political compass graph is a farce.Do the test yourself, you might be surprised with the result :
more left wing and libertarian than Ghandi 😯
druidh - MemberAnyway - about the ending of National Pay Rates.....
if it's done well, there could be benefits.
if it's done badly, it'll be awful.
it won't be done well.
Apparently I'm standing alongside The Dalai Lama!!! 🙄
It's the perfect way to keep the poor and less well educated in exactly that position and widen the north south divide. So much for the exit london strategy..... When I was in my 20s not voting was such a bad thing, you should use your vote or you can't complain but now there's genuinely no decent able honest party to bloomin well vote for!
Sorry - just joined in, forgive me if I repeat what others have said:
Obvious really -
a) let's all have a race to the bottom and compete to see who can have the most shit wages and conditions within the next 5 years, thereby destroying all that has been gained by struggling for collective rights over the last 100 years;
b) let's try to use the force of envy to pit private sector worker against public sector worker, in order to;
c) distract attention from the fact that the capitalist system caused the mess we're in, and that to change anything we need collective action by ALL groups of workers.
Happy now, Georgie and Dave?
Happy now, Georgie and Dave?
Short term yes, I'm sure they will be very happy indeed.
However the long term prognosis suggests that should they succeed in their obvious agenda the actual consequences of their greed-driven class war will wipe the smiles off their faces.
Quite simply because their precious capitalist system can't function effectively under conditions of extreme inequality, as it descends into a mortal crises caused by the paradox of overproduction and underconsumption.
Something which was recognised many generations ago but which today is ignored by a new generation of right-wing politicians who choose to be driven by short term results and greed. In much the same way incidentally as the bankers who got us in this mess were.
It's surprising how otherwise intelligent men gripped by a gambling addiction can make such irrational decisions even though they are fully aware of the likely disastrous consequences of their actions. The power of greed and risk-fueled excitement is responsible for some quite astonishing decisions, specially when the stakes are high.
It will all end in tears. As it always does.
The only reason for this being introduced is to save money ie to reduce wages in already poor parts of the UK. So you will get poorly skilled teachers/docs etc in poor areas etc, exactly what you don't want.
You can see it already working in the private sector. Bradford is right next to Leeds. Wages in Leeds tend to be £1-2k higher than Bradford. Leeds attracts better skilled workers and more industry.
Lib Dems RIP 😆 your leader has just let the city he is MP for just get shafted carnt see them voting him back in.
So after this what will be next in the great Tory cut backs as it now seems call me Dave was lieing when he said we are all in this together, will the south get more dole money than the north ?
Well this is going to be an interesting one to watch!
Tories relatively predictable. Broadly trends in public sector should mirror trends in private sector etc. Question, did they leak in order to soften actual news in budget?
Lib Dems hard to see. VC arguing that flexibility in public sector deals must make some sense. Did they leak though? Dangerous strategy if Osbourne ignores them and they then look even more impotent.
Labour face a tricky one. Having supported the notion before in government, Ed Balls, "of course, pay needs to reflect local circumstances."......One size National caps do not work in practice (same logic?)....But today, a different story!!!! Hmmmm?
Labour policy in government regarding public sector pay:
Uk gov pay policy based on three principles: (1) Affordability; (2) flexibility to set pay in line with regional economic and labour market conditions; (3) Performance.
Ok so this was dear old Tony but an interesting historical context!
So why not relocated Westminster to say Bradford. Then we can pay mp's the going rate for that area.
IIRC Ashby-de-la-Zouch is our geographical centre. (that's why so many people make crisps nearby, fact fans). Let's move Westminster there. Pubs are a lot cheaper round there too. Win win situation IME. 😀
Lib Dems RIP your leader has just let the city he is MP for just get shafted carnt see them voting him back in.
cleggy isn't the MP for sheffield, he's the MP for an area of sheffield.
(he's my MP)
i won't be surprised if my next MP is labour, but i'll be voting green.
bruneep - Member
So why not relocated Westminster to say Bradford. Then we can pay mp's the going rate for that area.
Haha. But there's a strengthening case for Departments (the staff) to be relocated to the regions to save money. Bit like the BBC move to Salford.
Labour will do what they always do; whinge about the change and then when (if) they get into power, conveniently forget about it.
druidh - Member
[s]Labour[/s] the opposition will do what they always do; whinge about the change and then when (if) they get into power, conveniently forget about it.
That's very true bruneep. Staggeringly, Ed Miliband has even publicly announced that whilst he intends to oppose the government's spending cuts he has no intention to reverse them should he become PM after the next election. That level of honesty has never before been witnessed imo.
Tony Blair opposed every single privatisation carried out by Tory governments, without exception. But once he became PM one of the first things he decided was that the Tories hadn't privatised enough and he carried out his own privatisation programme. Only he never told us he was going to do that.
Likewise the Tories don't intend to reverse any of the fundamental things which New Labour did - in fact if anything, they intend to build on them.
And don't even mention the Liberal Democrats.
All of which goes to show that Britain isn't really that fundamentally different to a one party state.
Just a one party state which meets with the benign approval of the electorate.