[Closed] Electrical Wiring Guide

Are you sure the work you want to do falls outside that that is notifiable and inspectable? You can buy a sort of idiots guide to part P for about £40 IIRC, but it doesn't mean you're qualified to do it of course.

Incidentally, does anyone know the laws regarding a competent person? When contacted, our local council suggested that providing the person was classed as a competent person and had reasonable qualifications, part P work could be done and signed off by them. When asked what quals they required, they didn't specify but said they would weigh it up and decide (in a shirty voice). Whereas if I speak to my sparkie, he tells me you have to go on a specific training scheme and have to have your work inspected a few times a year. What's the actual rules on this? !

IIRC you can still DIY but need to notify the local authority inspector before you start on anything notifiable. You'll then need to pay for building regs inspections and if you're not doing it right they will require that you rectify any faults.

IIRC you can still DIY but need to notify the local authority inspector before you start on anything notifiable. You'll then need to pay for building regs inspections and if you're not doing it right they will require that you rectify any faults.

You can, and yes you have to notify and have it checked before closing it all up (costly too). You can't do it retrospectively, so don't go phoning them afterwards and asking them to check it, they'll still do you for it (£5K IIRC).

We go by 17th Edition trained as a qualification for competent - but our installations are not exactly domestic - safe, but not quite as safe as houses!

I was more thinking along the lines of a Haynes type manual or a readers digest guide to electrical wiring rather than an industry standard book of regulations.

What have people got at home that they refer to.

Cheers

Rusty

as mentioned above:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/17th-IEE-Wiring-Regulations-Illustrated/dp/0750687207

TooTall - Member
We go by 17th Edition trained as a qualification for competent - but our installations are not exactly domestic - safe, but not quite as safe as houses!

Bloody hell I wasted shed loads of money over the years with my City and guilds pt 1&2, inspection and testing qualification,JIB registration etc

Shame I am not deemed competant because I have not got the Part P so I cannot do domestic work, when I have run various projects including a new dental centre in Chard including the testing and signing off and been envolved in loads of othere projects in what was the construction industry

Readers digest book is a good starting point.
If it is just basic stuff as you describe, you'll be fine.
It's when you start modifying or adding to circuits when you could run into trouble. You can replace like for like, but not modify. You can run a single spur from a ring main socket, but not add to the ring or add more than 1 spur.
You also cannot run am additional circuit, ie shower, shed, attic etc. A lot of people fall foul of this when fitting halogen downlighters etc, as these are considered a new circuit.
Clear as mud eh?
To do it properly, any additions need to be tested and certified.

You can run a single spur from a ring main socket, but not add to the ring or add more than 1 spur.
You also cannot run am additional circuit, ie shower, shed, attic etc. A lot of people fall foul of this when fitting halogen downlighters etc, as these are considered a new circuit.

With misinformation like that bandied about, it's no wonder people are confused.

Oh, please feel free to correct me then

Na I do not kick a bloke when he is down 😉

Help yourself

[url= http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/wales/professionals/buildingregs/technicalguidance/bcelectricalsafetypartp/bcapproveddocuments12 ]Part P download[/url]

So you're saying he should add new circuits and more than 1 socket spur from a ring socket? Note I said socket spur, not fused.

🙄 confused 🙄

basically if i want to add a new socket into the current socket ring i really need to get a sparky to do it for me. but if i just want to move it i can do that myself. Or do you think a degree in Electronic and electrical endineering would class me as a qualified person for the part p thing? who do you have to inform of these changes? what proof do they get sent?

I think the best thing to do is just do it, and don't tell anyone.

reading this makes me realise just how glad I am that I don't do domestic wiring anymore! Just call in a Part P sparks if you value your life/property. Not only will he/she do the job properly but also should find any previous horrors done by DIYers!

Amazed that nobody's posted this.

It's fairly easy, just follow the colour coding:
Red to red,
Black to black,
Blue to bits.

I run my own wholesale business, it's amazing what people want to do with no knowledge. The same people wouldn't dream of coupling two bits of 15mm copper pipe with a compression joint, and why 'because it might drip on the carpet' At least with electrics there's no mess if you get it wrong 🙄

IanMunro - Member
I think the best thing to do is just do it, and don't tell anyone.

Thats exactly the way most jobbing builders are doing it, i.e. if you are happy to accept it then they will do it.

IMO of course, not suggesting everybody is bent and ignoring part P !!

Or do you think a degree in Electronic and electrical endineering would class me as a qualified person for the part p thing

Do not be so stupid do you think a degree makes you educated 😆

Bit like saying a qualification or 5 makes you a instalation electrician (which it does ) but not a domestic electrician unless you have "part P" 🙄

I run my own wholesale business, it's amazing what people want to do with no knowledge. The same people wouldn't dream of coupling two bits of 15mm copper pipe with a compression joint, and why 'because it might drip on the carpet' At least with electrics there's no mess if you get it wrong

Water damage to carpets and furniture is far worse than possible fires or electrocution, didn't you know? 😉

Bit like saying a qualification or 5 makes you a instalation electrician (which it does ) but not a domestic electrician unless you have "part P

We still have the same people now doing electrical work before Part P was introduced. Only now they can self-certify their f*ck ups. 🙄

Amazed that nobody's posted this.

It's fairly easy, just follow the colour coding:
Red to red,
Black to black,
Blue to bits.

Thats part of the problem - the colours have changed

Old Colour New Colour
Red = Brown (or L1)
Yellow = Black (or L2)
Blue = Grey (or L3)
Black (N) = Blue (still N)
Earth is still green/yellow

Yes - blue to bits is prob what will happen 😆

Bloody good job houses are not 3 phase

unlike my pad in france

btw in france red is still used as a live conductor so much for harmonisation (sp) with europe 🙄

I used to be part P qualified for my work as a kitchen and bathroom fitter but there's that many hoops to jump through these days I gave it up and now get a spark to do it for me.