i mean you’d need to show intent. otherwise you could get most folk living on modern estates for being pished in their front room with the car on the drive.
From memory, intent is inferred from being in the driving seat, or keys in ignition, or engine running, handbrake off, stuff like that.
As a diabetic I got read the riot act, "if you're hypo get out of the car, if you're in it you're in charge of it and the offence isn't driving, it's being in charge. If you can't get out, get in the back, put the keys well out of easy access, but even then be aware that you're at risk of police action"
Of course the odds of actually getting your window knocked on, let alone prosecuted, are rare but it does happen- mate of mine got done for drunk in charge when sleeping it off in the back of an estate car, though, he had a warrant out on him which had a lot to do with it
Of course the odds of actually getting your window knocked on,
My tent hasn't got a window.
We are more likely to be found in our local woods introducing Jnr to tent camping than the van though tbh. CBA fighting with the hoards and crowds that are going to descend on the Highlands. Even contemplated selling the van and capitalising on the madness.
From memory, intent is inferred from being in the driving seat, or keys in ignition, or engine running, handbrake off, stuff like that
You mean being in a tent 10m away doesn't show intent to drive under the influence. Who knew.
As a diabetic I got read the riot act, “if you’re hypo get out of the car, if you’re in it you’re in charge of it and the offence isn’t driving, it’s being in charge. If you can’t get out, get in the back, put the keys well out of easy access, but even then be aware that you’re at risk of police action”
Although in the real world I only know of one occasion where someone was hypo and unable to drive (but had managed to stop at the side of the road). The police found him (he had been reported several hours overdue). Did they prosecute? No. They went to the shop and bought him some food then brought him home. I'm pretty sure they even drove his car home for him. Partly probably just because most cops are actually fundamentally trying to be helpful/caring but probably also because they could deal with it quicker that way than reporting/prosecuting.
Didn't a guy on here get prosecuted for being drunk sleeping in the back of his car a year or two ago?
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Free MemberAlthough in the real world I only know of one occasion where someone was hypo and unable to drive (but had managed to stop at the side of the road). The police found him (he had been reported several hours overdue). Did they prosecute? No. They went to the shop and bought him some food then brought him home. I’m pretty sure they even drove his car home for him. Partly probably just because most cops are actually fundamentally trying to be helpful/caring but probably also because they could deal with it quicker that way than reporting/prosecuting.
There were a couple of high profile cases when I was doing my bike test but then that was 20 years ago 🙂
Thing is, that guy had completely *ed up, if you're doing it right then you shouldn't ever be driving and realise you're hypo- that's basically how you crash, either in the bit where you've not yet realised or in the bit where you're hypo enough to have no judgement. But at least he'd done the right thing after *ing up.
I've heard a rumour (from the bloke who owns the holiday cottage I've rented) that the Western Isles Council are contemplating bringing in further local controls to keep Covid-19 out. This could have significant impact on tourism this year
Does anyone know anything about this?
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Didn’t a guy on here get prosecuted for being drunk sleeping in the back of his car a year or two ago?
Yep, I remember that. He was parked in a car park and walking home about a mile away and still got done iirc.
My concern too, but we also have a need to get over to Lewis to deal with the aftermath of my mother-in-laws death. My wife was Legal Guardian and is applying to be Executor and there's family and a house involved.
My concern too, but we also have a need to get over to Lewis to deal with the aftermath of my mother-in-laws death.
Would it not be OK to travel for that sort of reason now?
Possibly but it involves a few "households" and we'd need accommodation etc. Basically, it's a bit more complicated.
Fair enough. My wife has been down to the central belt to sort out stuff following her father's death just before christmas. Islands are probably an extra level of complexity though.
Sorry to hear about your woes. It puts our holiday into perspective
What's going on in Livingston Village/Eliburn South? Cases seem to have shot through the roof.
I’ve heard a rumour (from the bloke who owns the holiday cottage I’ve rented) that the Western Isles Council are contemplating bringing in further local controls to keep Covid-19 out. This could have significant impact on tourism this year
Does anyone know anything about this?
That might upset @matt_outandabout
I'm expecting similar for Orkney 🤦♂️
*looks on AirBnB at Barmouth*
17 new cases in Moray today, I think most of them are due to a rumoured outbreak at the Walkers factory here in Aberlour
The CNES consultation exercise will is supposed to be finalised Friday this week. We'll only get clarification after they've spoken with ScotGov. There will obviously be pressure from many businesses to allow tourist access. On the other hand, some locals will want to maintain a barrier between the islands and the mainland. However, any such restriction might also mean islanders not being able to visit the mainland either. It's a difficulty call. I suspect that there will be some mitigation measures put in place, such as not being "permitted" to travel without pre-booked accommodation.
What’s going on in Livingston Village/Eliburn South? Cases seem to have shot through the roof.
This is my local area.
My son told me that there have been a lot of cases at the two local primary schools - Livingston Village Primary School and Peel Primary School.
Peel Primary was apparently closed to all pupils yesterday.
Our 7 day rate was 1200+ cases at the weekend.
Even worse now!
Not had any further speculation in Shetland yet about non-essential travel to and from here after the 26th April.
There's certainly a vocal number of people who don't want visitors without testing and isolating, but the practicalities of that seem pretty awkward given the various routes of entry and lack of places to stick some one for 10days if someone is positive.
And obviously there are plenty of people who rely on tourism who are desperate for visitors to return, including the ferries and flights. I think Northlink ferry usage is down 70% on previous years.
I'm just desperate to get away to visit family.
Hmmm, was hoping to go cycle-camping up the Hebridean Way this summer.
To be honest, if it's shut, there's plenty of other places to go.
Am definitely looking forward to firing up the lightning-rod-of-hate(tm) campervan and getting out and about a bit! Don't worry though children, onboard toilet, shower and bin bags at the ready!
Sorry to hear the stress @scotroutes of needing to sort out estate.
What will be will be, and a private holiday isn't exactly the foremost issue in public health planning at present.
TBH Matt, I'm viewing the two things as equally important.
We can all go for a good old pray together. Ministers breached the human rights of the religiously afflicted, for the reasons I outlined earlier.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56511585
Confronted by 3 guys riding touring motorbikes on our little road today - it's only farms and a few houses. C'mon, some of us in groups 8 & 9 still waiting for our jags, staying local and the f'ing Power Rangers turn-up!
We can all go for a good old pray together. Ministers breached the human rights of the religiously afflicted, for the reasons I outlined earlier.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56511585/blockquote >
Which I think means that we all have similar arguments about free movement within the country and possibly overseas. Except, Lord Braid actually said, "I have not decided that all churches must immediately open or that it is safe for them to do so, or even that no restrictions at all are justified," and no resolution has yet been proposed. My guess is when that happens it will say that in the "highest" level of restrictions leaving home for an act of individual worship should be acceptable (that may include e.g. catholic confession), but collective worship is not.
What are you on about? The judge has ruled immediately that the restrictions were unlawful and places of worship can reopen. It's up to places of worship whether they will reopen or not.
Will be taking my bike, on the back of the car, to another LA start and finish point ride this Saturday for the first time in a very long time 😁
And it’ll be COVID guidance compliant !
The return of youth coaching after a year off, yaaay 👍👌
I guess that somebody had to be at the front of the queue when it came to the re-opening of places where people gather.
I am pleased for the religious folk that they are able to celebrate some of their important ceremonies.
However, I am really annoyed that I will still have to wait just over a month until I can get back in the gym. What about about my (and my fellow gym-goers') physical, mental and spiritual health?
Sigh, at least it is not as bad as last year when gyms were right at the back of the queue.
There are still restrictions on religious gathering though - including Social Distancing requirements. Seems to me to be safer than a gym?
Why is being in church safer than the gym?
People who take care of their bodies are less likely to get in trouble with this disease. Folks who go to church are generally old and a bit unfit. The correlation between folk who actively worship and people who get to meet their gods is ...high. Determinism in action.
Trying to think how Jason Leitch might answer this. The average church goer is possibly a fair bit older than average and really feeling the isolation of the last year, going to church is their mtbing. They will mostly have had their first vaccination, some will have had two. Churches are generally pretty airy places and socially distancing for normal services should be pretty easy. Compare this to gyms. The average gym goer probably hasn't been vaccinated yet, they are better able to cope with technology and so feel less isolated. Gyms can be quite stuffy environments, you can exercise outdoors etc.
What are you on about? The judge has ruled immediately that the restrictions were unlawful and places of worship can reopen. It’s up to places of worship whether they will reopen or not.
@tomd - no he's not, go and read again what Lord Braid said. He determined that the Government should not have made a law in the way that they did. But he EXPLICITLY says he isn't deciding the resolution yet, and the parties need to make further submissions to him on what that should be. His full statement is here
(although I have only read the press report at this stage)
As I understand it, if a judicial review finds that a law was made unlawfully, it doesn't instantly make the law unenforceable - the judge has to explicitly order what the law should say, or order the government to make amendments. e.g. He might say that it would permit leaving the house to attend church for private prayer, but not a gathering. He has not yet done so.
@stevenmenmuir - I think you are right, and add: whilst churches are reopening under the relaxation of the rules, I don't believe that singing will be permitted (an action that expels a lot of air/virus) and bibles/hymn books etc have been removed from pews to avoid contact. Gym goers inevitably exhale a lot and the perceived risk is that this spreads more virus - whilst the inevitability of gyms is that lots of people touch the same equipment; so you become reliant on how well its cleaned between users.
I'm not likely to go to either but if I had to choose I'd feel safer in a church. Lightening strikes aside.
The faithful haven't received your legal advice and think they can reopen today. As an example, see the joint statement from the mosques:
https://centralmosque.co.uk/news-updates/
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Free MemberTrying to think how Jason Leitch might answer this. The average church goer is possibly a fair bit older than average and really feeling the isolation of the last year, going to church is their mtbing. They will mostly have had their first vaccination, some will have had two. Churches are generally pretty airy places and socially distancing for normal services should be pretty easy. Compare this to gyms. The average gym goer probably hasn’t been vaccinated yet, they are better able to cope with technology and so feel less isolated. Gyms can be quite stuffy environments, you can exercise outdoors etc.
Also, churches are a much more controlled space, with a single person in charge, so actually directing people is straightforward. And there's someone directly responsible if there's breaches too which definitely helps. And it's a relatively closed population, people arrive and depart as a group, whereas gyms are constantly moving and changing. You can set up a safe gym I'm sure but you can't really contain the people in it the same.
OTOH I wonder what the correlation between "regular faith meet attendees who'll still go in a pandemic" and "people who refused the vaccine" might be, or "people who will worship how they want to worship regardless". I was raised church of scotland so that's kind of my image of faith gatherings but then the entire point of the church of scotland is that it's wishy washy. Once you add in science deniers, extreme evangelicals, people who feel like an oppressed minority, etc things get more random.
In the end I suppose the case comes late enough for it to not be that big a deal. And I reckon you could go back and rewrite the rules so that they don't specifically ban church gatherings but they just coincidentally make them impossible.
So now we can congregate in churches, are we only allowed to congregate during a designated church service or is it a general doors open policy i.e tomorrow eve? Secondly, are you only allowed to drink church provided wine or can we take our own...?
I'm not sure there'll be sharing of altar wine.
I’m not sure there’ll be sharing of altar wine.
It was more of a (granted poor) glib comment about having a catch up with friends of an evening using a church as a venue with byob and a cheese board...
And some vintage port? 😉
My parents are religious, yesterday was limited numbers (a rota needed apparently) and no singing. For folk in their 80's who have been going for 60 plus years it is a large part of their limited social life.
