During the last lockdown it went on hospitals.
No it never otherwise we would have been in tier 2 with South Ayrshire. (or they would have been in tier 3 with us)
This round of blended learning will be very challenging to plan. I have already this afternoon spoken to parents who would prefer to keep their kids off full time until they are back full time. If uptake is only going to be 60%, we need to know this for planning. Parents in S1-S3 will (understandably) want Maths & English as a priority, but so will Senior Phase. With 2m social distancing it will be very difficult. I'd like to se the SG exemplars - for the last round I thought they were quite good.
No it never otherwise we would have been in tier 2 with South Ayrshire. (or they would have been in tier 3 with us)
Did here, health board/council.
Shetland should be straight to zero on current numbers, but before this 'lockdown' we should have been zero too, but were level 1+.
I can't see them putting us straight to zero on principle. I think the rationale last time for the 1+ was due to the coming and going of contractors/locums and the need for many of us to travel to Aberdeen for hospital appointments, plus students coming and going, so an element of additional caution.
No news from our schools yet re the partial return to secondary from 15th March, but I know my son is looking forward to seeing his pals.
Did here, health board/council.
No it didn't.
19 council areas - the majority - will see no change to their levels this week.
I am pleased to say that from the start of next week - assuming no significant deterioration in the situation before then - two areas will move down from level 3 to level 2.
However, 11 local authorities will from 6pm on Friday, for a strictly limited period, move from level 3 to level 4.
swavis
Full MemberThat’s a very good point. If there were a 1000 people with only flu like symptoms but nobody requiring hospital treatment why would there be the need to lockdown?
Depends. Is it going to stay at that level or are those 1000 going to infect 3000 people and cause hospital stays? Are they going to avoid hospital but suffer longterm long covid effects?
Hospital stays have obviously attracted a lot of attention because that's what breaks the NHS and it was very near to breaking. But they're not the only thing we should look at, they were just the only priority at the time
There is new stuff coming out about the guidance and levels in Scotland with a hope of relaxing quicker but also using tighter criteria
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56237471
Still not convinced Squirrelking,we were barely above the shire in infection rates. And this
and we have assessed what all of that might mean for hospital and intensive care capacity.
Our intensive care is Dundee.
There is new stuff coming out about the guidance and levels in Scotland with a hope of relaxing quicker but also using tighter criteria
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56237471/blockquote >
Yeh tjagain, that's what I'd been looking at
The level 3 band there seems very wide now... Or, put it a different way it covers very different situations, 50-150 is a pretty massive difference in "performance".
Considering that the decline in cases right now is very slow, am I being fair to say it's basically indefinite tier 3 or 4 for most of the country?
It can never be on one strict numerical value. You could have a contained outbreak in one nursing home that could skew the figures enough to exceed a Tier threshold and you wouldn't want to lock down a whole regions for that.
Considering that the decline in cases right now is very slow, am I being fair to say it’s basically indefinite tier 3 or 4 for most of the country?
Yes.
As someone (I can't remember the name offhand) speaking for the Scottish hospitality industry said a week or so ago, all the Scottish government have done is produce a road map into another lockdown.
Here's my pessimistic projection.
People need to calm their brains for a wee bit yet. 😆
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April is the good news month. It's no April yet. 😆
ps think we're actually about 75 per 100k 7 day average the day.
under 5% positive test rate as well which is a critical indicator
Hospitality cannot recover from another lost summer and people are going to stop being compliant if restrictions are not removed.
Also May holyrood elections
tjagain
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under 5% positive test rate as well which is a critical indicator
people read that as if just under 5 is a good thing, the WHO when they mentioned it said that over 5% and you are out of control. Not that 4.5% is a good thing!
Hospitality cannot recover from another lost summer and people are going to stop being compliant if restrictions are not removed.
If we go too early that's exactly what will happen. Slow and steady is the key here. There's a real danger of making a pigs ear of it if they bow to demands or if people decide that's it done. We're literally a month away.
Im sure you are right. MY point merely was that there are other considerations not just the pandemic ones. april is fine. Get to july and problems arise
Scotland’s positivity rate is over inflated and can’t really be used as a measure.
For some reason, SG ignore all mass testing and LFT from the data which skews the positivity rate to a higher level.
You can see this quite simply by comparing it to England’s.
lateral flow tests need to be ignored completely. a total waste of time. ONly being use because we bought billions of the useless things. Even in skilled hands the false negatives are far too high. In unskilled hands useless.
Parents in S1-S3 will (understandably) want Maths & English as a priority,
I think it probably matters more what the distance learning options is like locally - our Maths is pretty good and I’d be happy for it to continue. English on the other hand is crap (as is French).
Also May holyrood elections
Are the SNP really going to risk having the pubs shut across the majority of the central belt? Vote Labour and we'll open the pubs, backed up with suggestions the SNP are just using Covid as an excuse to push their anti-alcohol agenda could be a vote winner.
tjagain
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Im sure you are right. MY point merely was that there are other considerations not just the pandemic ones. april is fine. Get to july and problems arise
get to july and even I'll be vaccinated, maybe even twice. Happy days.
Going slow is correct at the moment. I've had a laugh about the election to, but timelines are entirely co-incidental that we should open up just before then.
I've been critical, I think their approach is correct this time.
Gribs
Full Member
Also May holyrood electionsAre the SNP really going to risk having the pubs shut across the majority of the central belt?
They won't if people keep the heid, cause the trajectories have the pubs open before the election, so it's not really an election issue.
Vote Labour and we’ll open the pubs
But what happens then if the rates start to rise again a month later ?. Blame the SNP 😕 Blame someone else 😕 or come out with yet more facts and figures and ignore the obvious correlation.
Same happened at Christmas. Papers were full of people claiming this and that and screaming that they should be allowed to ignore the virologists and meet up for Christmas dinner. January comes around and the rates soared. Certainly didnt hear much about how the relaxation of the lockdown had a clear connection, no it was a case of looking for someone else to blame.
Even if the rate drops to zero tomorrow, it would be very prudent to continue lockdown for at least 2, maybe 3 months more. Just to make sure.
Are the SNP really going to risk having the pubs shut across the majority of the central belt? Vote Labour and we’ll open the pubs, backed up with suggestions the SNP are just using Covid as an excuse to push their anti-alcohol agenda could be a vote winner.
It might be a vote winner for people who own/work in the pub or desperately want to be back in pubs - but I’m pretty sure that there’s plenty of people who want other Liberty back who really don’t care about pubs. In my experience plenty of those crazy types were never going to be snp voters anyway. I think you also need to have a pretty blinkered view to think snp are so anti alcohol that they are using the pandemic to close pubs - it’s hardly a uniquely Scottish approach.
Disappointing to see a few areas still wrestling to get numbers down.
https://stirling.gov.uk/news/2021/march-2021/mobile-testing-units-to-visit-plean-and-cowie/
Are the SNP really going to risk having the pubs shut across the majority of the central belt?
They were quick enough to shut Aberdeen down when there was a spike here, yet they did Hee Haw when there was a similar spike in weegie land.
In answer to your question, No
I may be misremembering- but the Aberdeen issue was directly linked to pubs, whilst T&T was linking glasgow to private parties (which were already illegal in glasgow - the shut indoor mixing earlier) . Closing pubs will only increase private parties.
Disappointing to see a few areas still wrestling to get numbers down.
Jeanne Freeman was discussing the setting up of community testing units in 22 (or maybe 23) areas around the country in the Wednesday lunchtime briefing.
They want to try and get asymptomatic cases to self-isolate.
I wonder if the Kent variant leads to more asymptomatic cases and this is one of the reasons why the fall in case numbers is declining?
Still not convinced Squirrelking
Jesus, be unconvinced all you like, fact is you're wrong. Tier levels were down to local authority NOT health board.
The Scottish Government announced today that a new five-tier system of coronavirus restrictions will be introduced to help curb the spread of Covid-19.
Unlike the previous restrictions which affected health board areas, the new alert system will take into account the prevalence of the virus in each of Scotland’s 32 local authority areas.
https://www.inverclyde.gov.uk/covid-19/daily-briefings
Jesus, be unconvinced all you like, fact is you’re wrong. Tier levels were down to local authority NOT health board.
To be fair, you're both correct.
It was initially health board area, then they changed it to local authority area
@poly yes a pub https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53627801 one foreign oil worker whilst awaiting the result of his test went for a bevvy.
Closing pubs will only increase private parties
Eh? so why aren't pubs open now because that's what's happening now in every city/town in Scotland.
It was initially health board area, then they changed it to local authority area
I know, but we're talking about the last lockdown which started in November (for some of us anyway).
I think. Unless Duckman isn't.
bruneep
Full MemberThey were quick enough to shut Aberdeen down when there was a spike here, yet they did Hee Haw when there was a similar spike in weegie land.
Yep, because they had track-and-trace that worked and so they were able to find out exactly what had caused the spike and acted on it, rather than just having to throw around random restrictions and assuming that what worked in Aberdeen would also work in Glasgow.
I am talking about being kept in the same tier as Dundee in October when they came in because of Ninewells being the hospital we would be taken to. At the time we were bent right out of shape that there was 100 feet difference in health boards. If that has changed for the move back to tiers in April then happy days.
No idea, but as per above it never had anything to do with health board. FWIW North Ayrshire has no emergency hospital (we share between Crosshouse and sometimes Inverclyde) and had completely independent restrictions from Inverclyde and East Ayrshire.
@poly yes a pub https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53627801 one foreign oil worker whilst awaiting the result of his test went for a bevvy.
But it takes two to tango (or many people to cause an outbreak). Clearly that shows why pubs should be closed - one person being a dick causes significant disease spread.
Closing pubs will only increase private parties
Eh? so why aren’t pubs open now because that’s what’s happening now in every city/town in Scotland.
I don't claim to completely follow the logic - but that was how I remember it being justified. I don't know if the footage showed weegie pubs had learned from Aberdeen and were enforcing rules better? Possibly there's a demographic difference between those flouting the rules at home and those who insist on going to pubs if they are open - and thus the vulnerability of the users.
I see quite varying standards of covid compliance from different places and I don't think its as simple as what the place sells. If it were up-to-me retail, pubs, cafes, hairdressers etc would not be lumped into categories with all their neighbouring vaguely similar businesses. Each would adopt its own "covid secure" approach and be scored on that (and open to secret shopping / unannounced visits) - and in each tier you'd let sites with particular star ratings open - an incentive for sensible precautions, and then places that won't or can't enforce it get shut whilst those who can keep customers apart, well ventilated etc can stay open. You need a lot more EHO - but we have had months to work this shit out.
No idea, but as per above it never had anything to do with health board.
It did - I think in October, before the more granular levels.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-update-parliament-29-october/
It did apply to Health Board areas!!! See the FMs statement on 29 October:
"In recent weeks that guidance has applied to health board areas. But from Monday, it will apply at local authority level."
FM statement on 21 October:
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-update-first-ministers-speech-21-october/
"Finally, we continue to advise people very strongly who live in these Central Belt areas, not to travel outside the health board area that they live in, if they do not need to do so."
Aberdeen was put in to a lockdown of similar severity to the current one after the pubs incident with a cases per 100k of around 20. Some locations in the borders and dumfries & galloway were treated similarly.
If track and trace worked so well why was a full city lockdown required in Aberdeen? They didn't just act on pubs it was a full no visiting homes, no leaving the city, shops & pubs closed.
Frankly I watched agape that Glasgow and other areas didn't get shutdown in the same manner as there cases soared.
I don't disagree with the need to lockdown Aberdeen and the other areas, it was needed to suppress the spread of the virus but the lack of willingness from the Scottish Government to do the same in the central belt when it was required was shocking.
To say that the same wouldn't have worked in Glasgow and other places is clearly wrong given that they never got their cases back under control until they are starting to now because they have been in the same level of lockdown that Aberdeen was put into back in August for the past 2 months.
It did apply to Health Board areas!!! See the FMs statement on 29 October:
“In recent weeks that guidance has applied to health board areas. But from Monday, it will apply at local authority level.”
FM statement on 21 October:
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-update-first-ministers-speech-21-october/
“Finally, we continue to advise people very strongly who live in these Central Belt areas, not to travel outside the health board area that they live in, if they do not need to do so.”
FFS THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID! The last lockdown ie. November was LA based and not health board as it was previously! Honestly this place...
Nice to see the rangers fans acting with impunity
https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/forms/webcam/Webcam.aspx
And why not?
Police said no arrests had been made after crowds of supporters gathered outside gathered at Ibrox on Saturday following the team's win against St Mirren.
Nice to see the rangers fans acting with impunity
can only hope they catch it.
And why not?
Indeed. The reality is a riot would ensue if the police actively tried to disperse them or stop them getting to Ibrox or George Square.
