About 930 of those said they had been to the gym - that's 2.8% of all the common locations reported. We don't know if they caught it at the gym - we just know they visited the gym.
Is that a lot? It's hard to tell - you need to take into account how many people visit a gym regularly compared with, for example, a supermarket.
The point is that for the latest week, gyms came sixth on the list of common locations, ahead of people attending universities, people working in care homes and people going shopping for clothes.
I'm desperate for swimming pools to re-open but I can accept that they're hardly a priority and are likely a higher risk than any form of outdoor exercise (even taking into account the mitigation measures employed last summer).
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tjagain
Full MemberLikely to be slower in Scotland would be my bet
Agreed, expecting to be postponing as soon as the details are known. OTOH we could be back at the silly stage of England being free to travel but should be stopping at the border. Not really sure how it’ll play out
It would be political suicide for the SNP to now say that the best thing is for the UK to act together and that they agree with the prime minister.
You say that as though his announcement was a sensible approach. "Data not Dates", "now here's the dates". "Irreversible" but could be reversed if we had to (so clearly not irreversible). There are already nuances where there is disparity: P1-3 this week v's ALL on 8th; Groups of under 12s allowed to mix outdoors in Scotland; etc. My guess is she will actually find a few things to open up before England as well as keeping some stuff closed longer. She definitely will not announce an "end date" in June. I suspect she'll be less enthusiastic about opening pubs and more keen to allow household mixing, but not the "30 outdoors" stuff he has in his! I think there is an argument for regional variation in Scotland - and that's a big change to what seemed to be mentioned yesterday.
So far more measured and more caveats it seems
- schools not rushing back until we are sure they are not an increase in transmission rates. Perhaps March 15th for rest of primarys, maybe some more secondary
- worried by foreign travel will import other variants which vaccine may not work on
- March 15th also more outdoor sports and youth meetings (eg scouts)
- April 5th - lots more easing in time for the holidays, complete with travel restrictions, some meeting as households outdoors, possibly more retail opening./
- April 26th moving back into level 3, hopefully.
Levelling/tiering returns 26th April.
Non-essential retail, hairdressers and gyms end of April too.
March 15 - more school return. Outdoors non-contact sports for teenagers. Adults allowed 4 from 2 households outdoors.
Mid April to remove "stay at home" guidance.
No further indicative dates until mid March.
no Easter Holidays then... Ach well, nothing booked so fair do's.
– April 26th moving back into level 3, hopefully.
Sooooo close and yet so far, this changes nothing from an outdoor exercise/fun times point of view 😥😥
Roll on tier 2! Mid may? Maybe I could tentatively book some accommodation for then...
In my heart I think it's the right timeframe but far out another 7 weeks of being locked doesn't feel great esp. as it's been like this since October. I honestly think people will just say f-it and start to move around a lot more on the England timeframe. Does seem odd i can go to Church at Easter but not be in my self contained van somewhere. Hey ho. Hopefully May.
The dates are indicative at the moment and she said that they could be brought forward if the data backs it up.
Was there a misspoken message about 5th April and schools? Most will be just starting Easter not returning full role.
timeframe but far out another 7 weeks of being locked doesn’t feel great esp. as it’s been like this since October. I honestly think people will just say f-it and start to move around a lot more
This is my concern too. Without a (hopeful) date in sight, folk are just going to ignore sensible guidance.
Roll on tier 2! Mid may? Maybe I could tentatively book some
3 week time slots for changes, so Mid-may is a possibility.
– April 5th – lots more easing in time for the holidays
Is it not the opposite - 5th April is Easter Monday - so keeping the restriction tight until past the problematic Easter weekend. Most Scottish schools reopen after Easter on 12th April so I guess it will be full steam ahead for the last term.
April 26th feels a long way away.
If indoor facilities open up and we are still subject to the horrible postcode lottery, the advice being ignored may reasonably be considered as not sensible.
In my heart I think it’s the right timeframe but far out another 7 weeks of being locked doesn’t feel great esp. as it’s been like this since October. I honestly think people will just say f-it and start to move around a lot more
Yup, and my concern too. I totally get how some folk must feel - I was hoping for an easing of the 'stay at home' restriction in particular, but know the data doesn't lend itself to anytime earlier at the moment.
Gutted as my 'local' MTBing trails and buddies that I'd normally ride weekly with and haven't seen since October remain just out of reach for another 6/7 weeks - and I mean legally around 5 miles out of reach. But then there's bigger concerns than that.
I am just gutted about the whole thing. I know its right and I am confident that the scottish government are at least attempting to take the right decisions for the right reasons but I have had it with the restrictions
the aspect that really worries me is the mental toll this is taking on folk is reaching tipping point I feel and that without a summer of trade much hospitality will be finished off.
On a personal level that my 60th birthday / retirement party cancelled, my long planned long awaited big walk in doubt and my mental resilience is diminishing
TBH I think it's probably a good sign if it's making me go "that seems far off" rather than "That's obviously too fast. But yep I was surprised by how demoralising I found hearing the dates.
Keep cracking on folks, you are all wonderful and I am sure we will all be OK in the long run. At least we have STW though, eh? 🙂
Yep, pish dates, pish situation, but kinda, yeah, makes sense as we really don't want to **** this one up.
My hair's beginning to go a bit Terry Nutkins, when the hell am I going to get to a barbers? 🤦♂️
I can only repeat how glad I am that I live in Aviemore and not Edinburgh, though even the latter was at least blessed with easy access to the Pentlands.
Yep, pish dates
Weirdly I probably would’ve been happier with earlier or later, just not where they’re currently sitting! Because obvs my wee trip is the most important thing in the world..... and I want to avoid midge season!
*crosses scotroutes off xmas card list*
Its true tho that this last year has been the only time I wished that I lived in the country somewhere
Yep, being in rural Speyside has made this all just about bearable, I really feel for the folks in tower blocks and/or no access to green spaces.
At least there's light at the end of the tunnel, and whisky 😉
Spring Scotland trips cancelled for another year. Announcement makes more sense than the UK one though... wittering on about data not dates... and then laying out all the dates for the media to hang around their necks later in the year. Instead... plan a series of changes... measure the effects... check for new mutations and their characteristics... only then think about dates for more changes.
Judging by the call I had with work which had 300 people on it I'd say that patience has worn very thin esp. for areas where the rates were super low for quite a long time and are now low again. I think keeping a lid on this will be really tough and people are properly not in a good place.
Being in tier 3 in Shetland daily life's not too problematic, baring still having to work from home.
What is depressing me is my son being off school until after the Easter hols now as it's really not good him being home all the time. He's doing school work, but not going out at all.
I was also hoping against hope to get back to home in North Yorkshire for easter as my grown up daughter is due to give birth at the end of March and wanting to see my Mam who quite frail and doiting a fair bit.
I've self catering accommodation booked for the middle of May and I'm coming from Ingerland. So if you good chaps could stop spreading it around before then I'll be eternally grateful. I should have had at least one jab by then and the missus both. We don't have any ankle biting superspreaders either. The tier system does seem a bit archaic already though. If the vaccines are working as appears, the broad broom approach seems grossly unfair on those who have been playing by the rules.
The tier system does seem a bit archaic already though
Really? I don't think the folk of Shetland should have to live with the consequences of trolley-licking Glaswegians.
I'd say the chance of keeping folk who have behaved and ridden local to do so for another 7 - 8 weeks is pretty low. I'm not talking about a mass exodus to Fort William but I'd guess the tweed valley will start to get busy real soon with folks from the lothians . I've heard from local police that they have been briefed to not stop and question people where they are going and where they are from as Its pointless and they dont have the resources. Late April for us all to be in level 3 but possibly have tidier hair seems like no bonus at all.
Did I not hear a 'we may alter the advice/guidance/restrictions for the tiers'…?
I'm clutching at straws that someone in Scot Gov will work out that accessing nature and recreation for us all is a huge benefit - arguably more so than pubs, barbers and shops opening. (IANA barber). I'm hoping we see an end of march 'get outdoors on day trips' message clearly, rather than the current tier 3 'stay local'.
I agree that people's grace and patience is eroded, mine included, and many will try and breakout ahead of the dates proposed.
I live alone and WFH in glasgow, on average physically seeing one person outside per week other than shopping once or twice a week. While I have a small garden and a park within a couple of miles, there's not many hills within 5 miles of glasgow city council borders. The idea of being in level 3 (i.e. unable to travel out of local authority area) at best by the end of April is depressing (Sturgeon said data could bring it forward, but the risk of moving back seems equally large).
While it's pretty tame stuff as sob stories go, it's the seeming unending unnuanced restrictions combined with seemingly minimal risk to anyone of me, say, going solo walking/cycling/wild camping, or seeing my parents, that are getting to me. I'm not sure I'll be following the guidance as closely as I have been come April/May. That feeling will be amplified greatly if 'vaccine passports' become a thing and my demographic is last in line while those I've been isolating in order to protect have restrictions relaxed. Does that make me selfish irresponsible etc etc? Probably.
The tier system does seem a bit archaic already though
Really? I don’t think the folk of Shetland should have to live with the consequences of trolley-licking Glaswegians.
I do agree with you, but a socially distancing Glaswegian might not.
pjm60
I don't think you are alone in feeling like that. I have been very compliant but I am reaching the end of my tether. the worst was in the snow recently. I couldn't even go to the pentlands to play as arthurs seat is closer! Let alone seeing Scotroutes pics!
‘vaccine passports’
Patrick Harvie and Nicola made strong points that any kind of passport scheme promotes social division and elitism, easy to forge anyway, and compromises human rights. R4 had someone on talking about it basically being ID cards through the back door...
While it’s pretty tame stuff as sob stories go
I get where you are coming from. When I feel like this I just think what it must have been like during the World Wars and what those people lived through helps get me some perspective back. Imagine if rationing had to have happened during Covid. I'm not even sure society nowadays would cope without a mutiny/civil disturbance.
I can only repeat how glad I am that I live in Aviemore and not Edinburgh, though even the latter was at least blessed with easy access to the Pentlands.
Speak for yourself! It's been a great place to be locked down - there's enough interesting historic and cultural stuff you can see outdoors that even my wife has been generally entertained, the Pentlands are right there, we've got 5 bloody great hills that feel like the outdoors in easy reach. And, for people my age, there's at least other young people to hang about with. I've spent the last few weeks thinking thank god I don't live in rural Derbyshire, which is where I moved up from.
To me LA levels has to be the way to go until we are back to normal. It helps keep flare ups local and protects areas with it currently under control. Anything that gives those who have had the vaccine better privileges to those patiently waiting would be grossly unfair.
To contradict myself vaccine passports as access to 'good stuff' like planes and large music venues might be the only way to get the sizable anti vax sheeple (not the hardcore - they are a lost cause) to give up their 'principles'.
And with substantially different entry requirements from outside of the UK to Scotland to the rest of the UK the Scotland/England boarder crossing seems like a very weak link.
Speak for yourself! It’s been a great place to be locked down
Yep, Edinburgh (and by extension anywhere within riding-there-and-back distance of Edinburgh) has kept me well entertained, in fact for winter riding I think I've been better off than I would have been in say, oooh some frigid wasteland further north 😉
I don’t think you are alone in feeling like that.
I've absolutely had it as well. Can't see friends or family (barring my dad at work) and still another 3 months?
R4 had someone on talking about it basically being ID cards through the back door…
Which are evil unlike drivers licences and biometric passports (the former being incapable of being renewed online without the latter). But that's another discussion.
I’m not sure I’ll be following the guidance as closely as I have been come April/May. That feeling will be amplified greatly if ‘vaccine passports’ become a thing and my demographic is last in line while those I’ve been isolating in order to protect have restrictions relaxed. Does that make me selfish irresponsible etc etc? Probably.
*raises hand in agreement*
I feel I might struggle to avoid doing solo bike rides on my local trails (25mins drive away but 10 miles into a neighbouring LA) for another 6/7 weeks. I've been following the rules strictly to date, but the thought of no proper MTBing until early April at earliest is really getting me down. Being sensible about it, the risk to me or others is minimal with contact with other users easily avoidable - assuming I remember how to stay attached to my bike - but I know it'd be wrong. I'll never take those trails for granted ever again.
Just asked a promoted post holder if we'll get in before 15th march to mark the 2m spacing between pupil's seats.
Answer: the distance will be reduced before then.
I'll be taking up the eis post then and looking carefully at the risk assessment.
Really? I don’t think the folk of Shetland should have to live with the consequences of trolley-licking Glaswegians.
Coffee, Screen interface 😂😂
I'm absolutely against vaccine passports, aside from creating social inequality we don't know with certainty that vaccines reduce transmission.
I can only repeat how glad I am that I live in Aviemore and not Edinburgh, though even the latter was at least blessed with easy access to the Pentlands
Or Aberdeen. Bottom of the league table at 27/100k at present, and we're supposed to stay cooped-up within the city+5 until May ??? I've thought the scot gov approach has been pretty good in general... but they are starting to lose me now! Really, what difference would allowing day trips for outside activities make .... ?
Your start/finish point must be within 5miles (8km) of up your council area.
Start/finish point.
