On R5 on Friday night I was listening to discussion that said Primary school pupils are 2x more likely to bring Covid into a household and 2x more likely to pass it on to a family member than an adult.
Do you know who was saying that? Because it is essentially at odds with the sort of thing being reported elsewhere eg. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/01/three-studies-highlight-low-covid-risk-person-school
What do people think my chance of the long planned long trek in Scotland in May being allowed? We would be walking and mainly wild camping.
I think it’s unlikely - not impossible yet but unlikely. If it was end of may it would be more likely than the start. They’ll certainly not want to encourage a mass of wild camping with the inevitable crap hygiene and waste issues that the public wil bring (I am aware you are responsible but the rules have to deal with the idiots too). If you are lucky you might get to B&bs and some unofficially forbidden but sufficiently hidden not to count wild camping - but my money would be on day trips only until late may at least.
Has there been any discussion regarding vaccinating the teachers for those returning classes?
Gut feel says they should.
Science says no evidence to support it.
If politics overrules the JCVI you open up a minefield and a queue of other professions screaming what about us.
Thanks Poly *gets ready to throw tantrum*
IMO if Hotels / campsites are open then wild camping is OK
scotroutes
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They have ignored the tier thresholds previously outlined as going by the numbers we should be edging level 2 nowReally? It hadn’t occurred to me to check the current figures against last years tier guidance. Do you have a link to it?
Hadn't thought to look at this in a while, myself.
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tjagain
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Thanks Poly *gets ready to throw tantrum*IMO if Hotels / campsites are open then wild camping is OK
Yip, agreed.
So primary 1-3’s back from Monday 22nd, I bet there’ll be a few glad of that.
****. Yes.
What are they manky buggers in East Ayrshire up to?
IMO if Hotels / campsites are open then wild camping is OK
I'd say it's the travel restrictions that would be the limiting factor. If we're allowed to travel between regions by the date you'd planned then I'd say crack on and do your walk regardless of whether campsites etc are open.
What are they manky buggers in East Ayrshire up to?
Outbreak in a prison has swollen the east Ayrshire numbers.
Looks as though the self catering accommodation booked for Easter isn't going to happen. Bugger.
Still, Christmas eh?
It will be all over by christmas
It will be all over by christmas
Yes, but what year?
Aye, I think we'll all be staying in our LA areas until at least June if they can can get all the kids back to school. I also think teachers should be vaccinated now, we definitely need them to be at work 😉
Wife is getting her second jab in two weeks (HDU nurse) so it's all moving in the right direction. I think the government is just rightly being cautious.
BTW, wtf does Reporting Scotland insist on calling them jags when everyone else calls it a jab, is it a central belt thing as nobody calls them that up here.
Nice to see P&K mirroring St Johnstone's mid table mediocrity place.
BTW, wtf does Reporting Scotland insist on calling them jags when everyone else calls it a jab, is it a central belt thing as nobody calls them that up here.
Because that's what they are called. WTF do you call nettles, jabbies?
Outbreak in a prison has swollen the east Ayrshire numbers.
Ah, that would explain it.
BTW, wtf does Reporting Scotland insist on calling them jags when everyone else calls it a jab, is it a central belt thing as nobody calls them that up here.
I was watching a feed from Holyrood where MSPs were using jag
Can any of the endemics explain where it comes from?
Because that’s what they are called. WTF do you call nettles, jabbies?
Nettles of course 🙄 Or stinging nettles 😉
They're jabs, everybody I know calls them jabs, wife who is a nurse calls them jabs, she asked at work and they're jabs. I'm convinced it's a central belt thing, bloods jags... that's a footy team 😆
Always Jags to me - same as Partick Thistle - the Jags not the Jabs
Thats the point Bob!
I have just been called to get my second JAG! I only had my first 3 weeks or so ago. I need to make an appointment which could be a week or so away
Cant see why it has to be national lock down now, why not ease the restrictions locally where rates are low.
When Aberdeen had a spike it was locked down it wasn't a national thing, so why not ease it in low transmission areas?
What's the thought process behind keeping it at a national level?
They’re jabs, everybody I know calls them jabs, wife who is a nurse calls them jabs, she asked at work and they’re jabs. I’m convinced it’s a central belt thing, bloods jags… that’s a footy team
Remember the scone map? That.
Bruneep - I think (or is that hope?) we will get back to local restrictions fairly soon. However, I think there may be some caution because, clearly it didn’t work quite as well as hoped for in Nov/Dec:
But one of the issues is where people are working (or making other permitted journeys across county boundaries) there is not the segregation that appears on paper - so a large employer in Livingston will probably have people from Lanarkshire, Falkirk, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Fife etc. Someone in Lanarkshire might be going home to a family member who works in Glasgow with other people from Dumbartonshire, Renfrewshire and inverclyde. Etc, etc.
But I’ve heard some ridiculous stories (albeit third hand) this week of 1. Someone travelling from Renfrewshire to Moray and staying overnight to buy a car - because they’ve been vaccinated (1st dose) so “will be fine”; 2. Someone who tested positive going to a family member’s house to take their dog for a walk because “it’s ok so long as you wear a mask”...; 3. Panic in a (large) employer when one of their staff tested positive and nobody seemed to have a plan and had not have thought through all the completely predictable interactions the various teams were having with each other. “If T&T tell us all to isolate we shut down the whole of our business in Scotland for two weeks”...
Until we either find a way to enforce or incentivise (preferably both) compliance we are stuck in this stupid loop.
scotroutes
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Gottcha 😉
I see contacts of those infected are now going to be required to get a test, just the 8 months too late with that. It should have been the central policy from june onwards. (ie if you feel sick, isolate regardless, and test everyone around an infected person, to at a minimum 1 level, ie actively attempt to restrict transmission)
Probably a tacit admission that the testing has been a shambles.
The whole thing has been a bloody shambles. We're a bloody island, we should have been at this point a year ago.
Oh yeah, something something civil liberties. How's that working out for you all?
The whole thing has been a bloody shambles. We’re a bloody island, we should have been at this point a year ago.
yip, whole island should have been shut down like NZ did. Stupid ****s in power down in Westminster
@Poly and anyone else interested:
On R5 on Friday night I was listening to discussion that said Primary school pupils are 2x more likely to bring Covid into a household and 2x more likely to pass it on to a family member than an adult.
Do you know who was saying that?
Friday 12 Feb Radio 5 Stephen Nolan Listen at about 20 mins in.
Thanks TroutWrestler that reminds me why I don’t listen to 5live! I’ve had a quick skim of the ONS “long covid” data she spent most of the time talking about. I’m not sure it says what she thinks it does. It definitely doesn’t support her claim there are millions of primary school children with covid and 1:7 have long covid - at that point I started to question her credibility, I can’t find the data she has which she claimed shows twice as many infections. I heard some interesting suggestions today that a big issue with returning to schools is the school gate transmission amongst parents...
Yes, the school drop off pre Xmas was concerning. Although masks were worn by parents many chose to stand closely chatting and the playground was pretty busy - hard to keep 2m away. Only parents of P1s and 2s were permitted to be on the grounds but it’s a big school and my P1 child has been pretty anxious about school since starting - def not ready to be dropped at the gate.
We have received information about our kids returning to school. It is made very clear that parents should wear masks at all times near the gates and should not congregate or chat. I could put money on the gang that will "head off for a quick coffee" once they have dropped their kids off.
Deepti Gurdasani's Twitter makes for interesting reading. I am not sure I doubt her credibility.
I wrote a long reply but for the umpteenth time STW on iOS/safari crashed!
In brief she’s conflating causation and correlation, assuming extension of a biased sample is valid to the wider population, mislabelling one lingering symptom as long covid and presuming the solution she is widely advocating for solves the problem. I agree with her that schools/DFE should be looking at risk mitigation - but they also need to be careful that they don’t get so obsessed with the in classroom safety they ignore all the other things which opening schools is linked to (parents returning to work, parental mixing, public perception of risk etc).
100%. The reopening of schools cannot be seen in isolation, and that is what I took as one of her main points.
Well it appears to have been eased if the big road groups out today are to be believed !
Was out for my local home loop, 24 miles of back roads and while it was great mild weather, though rather windy, I was stunned by the number of groups of 4 plus riders out on group rides. 3 or 4 bunches of 6 plus, probably a dozen groups of 3 or 4, all in an hour and a half...
If we follow England then travel restrictions could be lifted by 17/5, my trip is planned for 21/5. A tad close for comfort!
Likely to be slower in Scotland would be my bet
I'd put money on it being slower.
There will be deviations purely for the simple fact that there can be deviations. Frankly I think everyone has given up and is doing their own version of 'being sensible' and as soon as stuff starts to ease there won't be enough fingers for the dyke.
There will be deviations purely for the simple fact that there can be deviations. Frankly I think everyone has given up and is doing their own version of ‘being sensible’ and as soon as stuff starts to ease there won’t be enough fingers for the dyke.
The large groups of adults and full car park at the beach 10 minutes walk from my house on Sunday gave me the same impression. There absolutely will be pointless confusing deviations due to the upcoming elections. It would be political suicide for the SNP to now say that the best thing is for the UK to act together and that they agree with the prime minister.
Too much caution could penalise the SNP as well because people really are fed up with the lockdown.
I am praying that the SG at least follow the lead of the UK government and allow gyms to re-open around the same time :fingerscrossed:
I am praying that the SG at least follow the lead of the UK government and allow gyms to re-open around the same time :fingerscrossed:
Gyms, swimming pools and travelling for outdoor exercise should be top of the list. Of course, they wont be pubs and restaurants will be because to the general population getting 10 pints in down the pub is the most important metric of success and will be the vote winner.
Why should gyms be top of the list? High risk of infection and low utility in my book
I’d put money on it being slower.
English announcement was 5 weeks between stages, but Scotland appears to be going for 3?
More stages and less incremental differences maybe though?
Why should gyms be top of the list? High risk of infection and low utility in my book
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54540188
That data puts gyms on 2.8%, while supermarkets are 11.2%, pubs and bars are 7.4% and secondary schools are 6.8%.
Most importantly, there's a looming health crisis as a result of lockdown impact on physical activity. People are moving less and eating more and drinking more. I can't find the link but I read that alcohol related deaths have increased by 12.5% since this began. Gyms are a hugely important thing for a lot of people, even if you don't use them.
