So the more infectious kids back but a lockdown still on. Remind me how well that worked August to Christmas....Oh no wait; that was the pubs and people travelling across the border. Either lockdown or don't.
As I suspected we have a phased return and testing now being planned.
So the more infectious kids back but a lockdown still on
The younger ones? The science still says the opposite - that post-puberty the infection rate and transmission rate rises.
I note a plea of not going on foreign holidays this year at all.
I am secondary Matt, seniors are back. And why not TELL folk they can't go abroad?
5-8% of seniors afaik?
Oh I know it's pish, I just couldn't be bothered arguing with him. I suppose I should report it as they'll think they're in the right and continue to be arsey about it, I just don't know if I can be bothered. I suppose they can stop you parking there which is fair enough. Meh
I am secondary Matt, seniors are back. And why not TELL folk they can’t go abroad?
I agree with the TELL re holidays.
Sorry, I thought you were suggesting it was the EY lot who were the infections little mites 😉
The twice weekly community testing (I think I heard, the phone rang mid listening...) for seniors is a good thing IMO.
So really we can be moving around again sometime in March.
I just couldn’t be bothered arguing with him.
We had a similar thing with the local golf course at Xmas. I got a torrent of abuse from members on Facebook for pointing out the access code - and then a mass of older residents stepped in and pointed out they'd sledged on the course as kids and to get over it.
I agree with the TELL re holidays.
Aye, agreed, just say no foreign travel til we say so. This means you'll get a hell of a lot more freedoms back, but Benidorm is off the agenda.
We had a similar thing with the local golf course at Xmas. I got a torrent of abuse from members on Facebook for pointing out the access code
I had the same with a local estate landowner who's gated off a fishery, cos the fisherman were being disturbed by poeople walking through his estate. Bugger off, their throwing massive fluoro lures in to howk out fat water pigs that are greedier than the estate.
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5-8% of the school roll at any one time. Given that the Senior Phase accounts for around 50% of the roll, this could be around half a column (5 columns typically in S5/6) in at a time, focussing on practical work and generating some "exam conditions" evidence for National Qualification Awards this year.
@swavis I drove past the guys putting the barriers up at Dufftown Golf Club yesterday morning - wondered what the sour faces were for. Plenty of parking in the Glenrinnes village hall car park and drag your sledge up Ben Rinnes
Plenty of parking in the Glenrinnes village hall car park and drag your sledge up Ben Rinnes
I may just do that 😆 No wonder they're struggling for members if they're all that miserable.
I've been parking at the Ben Rinnes distillery to start my splitboard adventures and there's never any problem.
Right now the wife and I are just rejoicing that nurseries are going back, we both have to work and much as we love him, our wee boy is just 12 hours of hard work right now, we like to think it's because he's exceptionally bright and intelligent, others might just say he's a hyperactive destructive wee monster, but my god we need to professionals to step back in pronto!
On a moral/ethical note, we tried to rationalise it to ourselves that at least the nursery kids are reasonably easy to keep within their bubbles, 15 kids per bubble I think and it's fairly easy to stop them mixing outside of that. And since there's probably already 14 'key workers' putting their kids into our wee boys class on a daily basis anyway I don't see why he shouldn't go back.
I would also agree regarding telling folk no foreign travel this year, but how does the Scottish government do that . Can it be done as a health policy? Like they were considering with the Scotland -England border last summer?
Can't be done under border control as that's reserved to UK who incidentally were advised to close the border last week by SAGE but rejected that advice.
Access to golf courses for sledging is an accepted part of Scottish Access Law
"The main places where access rights do not apply are:
golf courses (but you can cross a golf course provided you don’t interfere with any games of golf);
5-8% of the school roll at any one time. Given that the Senior Phase accounts for around 50% of the roll, this could be around half a column (5 columns typically in S5/6)
most subjects are not doing practicals though. None in science or geography.
Is that 5-8% including the hub kids as well though? If it does then we are already at capacity. Considering it was the centerpiece of yesterday's briefing we could have done with a bit more clarity, its a bit crap when the Government is a regular employer of the steal edit. Could be worse though; I could be the poor git timetabling to fit in the seniors who are allowed back, there is some serious witchcraft about to take place there! 😄
“The main places where access rights do not apply are:
golf courses (but you can cross a golf course provided you don’t interfere with any games of golf);
Pretty sure my one is playing golf in 4" of snow, christ most of them don't bother if the winter greens are on.
no one, not my one!
So, does Chris Boardman live on Speyside now? 😉
Scotroutes - I'll bite. ??
Maybe he has a lookey-likey 😅
So primary 1-3's back from Monday 22nd, I bet there'll be a few glad of that.
Ah, might be a good place to ask. Mrs Routes is keen on getting some flooring done - most of the ground floor. That'll mean getting someone in to fit it too. Is that sort of service allowed under current guidelines? I'm assuming we will take some control measures, like ventilating prior to and after fitter is in the house. It might be complicated by the need to move furniture around during the fitting, though I guess we could split it over two days.
@Scotroutes I don't think that is allowed.
The Coronavirus regulations require that work carried out in someone else’s home for the maintenance, upkeep or functioning of the home must only be carried out where it is essential or where that house is unoccupied. People must not go into other people’s houses for that type of work where it is not essential. This applies to anyone carrying out work, voluntary or charitable services. Businesses who employ people to carry out this work should consider if it is essential before asking their employees to enter someone else’s home.
From https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/
We are planning a kitchen refurb and everything is on hold.
IIRC you can only get trades in if essential or if the house is empty
What do people think my chance of the long planned long trek in Scotland in May being allowed? We would be walking and mainly wild camping.
I am writing off the long planned retirement / Birthday party in april - I cannot see that being allowed
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So primary 1-3’s back from Monday 22nd, I bet there’ll be a few glad of that.
Has there been any discussion regarding vaccinating the teachers for those returning classes?
As far as I'm aware, teachers are not priority but are still expected to be in a class of ~30 where social distancing would be largely impossible.
I'm not a teacher, but if I was I wouldn't be happy returning to such a workplace unless I was fully vaccinated.
What do people think my chance of the long planned long trek in Scotland in May being allowed? We would be walking and mainly wild camping.
That would require Tier 2 I think wouldn't it? What does Sturgeon's announcement today effectively take us down to, Tier 4? or are we still Tier 5 albeit with some kids back in school/nursery?
I'm assuming 3 weeks per tier, so Tier 4 mid March, Tier 3 early April, Tier 2 end April? (just in time for my birthday? 😀 ).
That's some very shonky assumption of course and depends on them not running scared of new mutant variants etc. etc.
I'm moving to Perthshire very soon so I think I can thole another month or two of restrictions whilst exploring my new environs...
Has there been any discussion regarding vaccinating the teachers for those returning classes?
My wife is a teacher and says that although raised with govt by unions, no commitment yet. Primary kids don't distance, the school layout doesn't suit it, kids don't wear masks, ventilation is negligible and handwashing not possible without long travel through school to toilets where there's no hot water anyway.
I don’t think that is allowed.
Yeah, I thought that was the case, though it's not stopped some which is why I thought I'd better ask.
What do people think my chance of the long planned long trek in Scotland in May being allowed? We would be walking and mainly wild camping.
Fingers crossed. We've booked sites and ferries for Uist in mid-June and even that seems a bit optimistic.
I am a teacher, and I have been vaccinated with the first dose of the O-AZ vaccine as I am on the Shielding List. I got it on 11 Feb, so I think that dose should reach full effect around 4 March. We are considering NOT sending out P3 (7yo) back to school on 22 February as my vaccine won't have kicked in as much as possible. My wife (also a teacher) had Asymptomatic Covid in December (-ve for antibodies at end of November, +ve for antibodies at end of December, since confirmed with another antibody +ve test). She seemingly did not pass it on in the house as I am still -ve for Antibodies (Dec & Jan tests), and no-one had any symptoms. The kids haven't had antibody tests though.
The real danger here is not him catching Covid from the teacher, but him catching it from a classmate and bringing it home. On R5 on Friday night I was listening to discussion that said Primary school pupils are 2x more likely to bring Covid into a household and 2x more likely to pass it on to a family member than an adult.
The reality is the children spend much more time in close contact with each other than with the teacher. The teacher will be trying to distance from the kids as much as possible. The kids will be playing tig.
We will probably keep a close eye on the local prevalence. If it is zero on 22 Feb, he might go back, but any whiff of a local outbreak before 4 March and we'll keep him at home until then. It seems odd, but we have been so careful up until now, that we wouldn't want to let our guard down so close to the line. Having said that, I have no idea of when I am getting my 2nd dose.
Has there been any discussion regarding vaccinating the teachers for those returning classes?
We are still in the second group and there would be no point in moving all of us up. I could understand primary teachers getting it before secondary.
Nice we are getting £400 though
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Full MemberWhat do people think my chance of the long planned long trek in Scotland in May being allowed?
No idea but I’m supposed to be riding the Badger Divide in May so really hoping it works out. I see that the overall plan is coming out next week, so will probably make a decision on the trip then
Fort William World cup May 22nd and my 50th and a wee trip to a villa in Frigliana in the last 2 weeks in july.? 🙁 Neither is looking likely is it.
If I can't get the trek in this summer I am going to have the mother of all tantrums!* I have been planning and looking forward to it for a couple of years and has been the main thing keeping me going at times
* of course in reality I wont!
They have ignored the tier thresholds previously outlined as going by the numbers we should be edging level 2 now
They have ignored the tier thresholds previously outlined as going by the numbers we should be edging level 2 now
Really? It hadn't occurred to me to check the current figures against last years tier guidance. Do you have a link to it?
I've just been going by this graph and thinking that case rates are still too high.
The way she was speaking today tho, because there's more prevalence of the more transmissible varient, they're going to be taking things more slowly.
Doesnt look like any restrictions will be changed until all the kids are back at school.
Next week's announcement will just be the order in which things will happen, rather than the dates that they will happen
The way she was speaking today tho, because there’s more prevalence of the more transmissible varient, they’re going to be taking things more slowly.
I've just spent an entertaining hour reading the docs issued to schools regarding the return. It's all about tightening things up as a result of the new variant(s). Physical distancing for pupils and masks in classes etc. I think they'll be very cautious with any other relaxations until they see how that pans out.
I suppose whatever they do, or announce or implement, we've got to really wait a month to see it those plans set forth another rise of infections.
As it appears they have the past year. Every new idea has led to where we are now.
They have ignored the tier thresholds previously outlined as going by the numbers we should be edging level 2 now
There was never one criteria for moving between levels, it was about multiple factors, the trend on parameters and a general judgement call. The hospitality industry in Edinburgh were furious in December and IIRC went to court in a failed attempt to claim that they must use a simple criteria like new cases.
