Oh, I've thought of something different from first lockdown - the support bubbles. I wasn't allowed to see my girlfriend for about 3 months. My parents weren't looking after my sister's kids either.
I don't think they'd have much luck getting folk to comply with them being taken away.
Yes, but the dangers is that it puts folk off from contacting emergency services when needed. Meanwhile, the Polis could have just put up a roadblock on the exit from the White Corries and issued FPNs to everyone outside the region. That would have had a farther-reaching effect.
No sure really, what did they get, 100 quid fine? Wouldn't put you off if you were in bother, would it?.
As for road blocks, the right place for those was the M74/A1 etc in July, but that would've been politically unacceptable to some.
Is it more than 5 miles from the edge of Argyle and Bute to Glencoe?
Is it more than 5 miles from the edge of Argyle and Bute to Glencoe?
Not by my calculations. At least not as the crow flies, which isn't specified within the law surrounding this. Is it travelling five miles by road, or a 5 miles expanded border around the LA boundary.
I'd imagine the 5 miles is miles you actually travel, ie road distance, unless you can fly. It's not far off, about 10k if coming from A82.
From the CP you'd use to tackle Buachaille Etive Mòr it's more that 5 miles direct or as the crow flies.
Here we go again.
Getting beyond boring now.
Well that's me stuck in the house seeing as my bike died just before Xmas, might have to take up knitting
Moot point now. Stay at home.
Bet people will still break the rules.
and now max of 2 from 2 households for outdoor exercise - aye right, that'll be followed by the large groups of walkers and riders 🙁
Schools will remain shut until at least 1 February
Weren't we already basically staying at home?
What else can you go out for other than work, getting food shopping or going for a walk or bike ride etc? Not exactly a lot of folk having picnics in the park just now!
BoardinBob
Full MemberIs it travelling five miles by road, or a 5 miles expanded border around the LA boundary.
Never been confirmed either way. To me, it's badly worded but I think it's definitely "as the crow flies". Reason being, that makes sense with the wording as it is, whereas for "as travelled along a road" really would have needed that specifically stated. It's also pretty impractical to enforce/harder to illustrate.
"starts and finishes at the same place (which can be up to 5 miles from the boundary of your local authority area)"
Not sure if the 5 mile rule survives the new changes though?
Amazed we, Shetland, have not gone to 4+ too, only really difference here is schools until 1st Feb. Plenty on SM here wanting us in 4+
Not exactly a lot of folk having picnics in the park just now!
Queens Park in Glasgow was absolutely heaving over the weekend. More people in it than at the peak of summer, mainly driven by people skating on the frozen pond. The police had to come down to control the crowds.
Are the full details published yet?
Anyone know what the tightened definition of "essential services" is? Bike shops still permitted to open?
Weren’t we already basically staying at home?
nope - nothing to stop you going about in your LA. Now you've only to leave your house for specific reasons.
People on my IG stream were out driving to the golfie and up mountains too from Glasgow without a care in the world.
Are bubbles for people living alone still a thing?
Are the full details published yet?
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/
Bike shops still permitted to open?
yes
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This is a hugely broad get out clause for cyclists (and others)
for those involved in professional sports, for training, coaching or competing in an event.
No criteria around what level of "involved in professional sports"
An entry for this year's EWS could be a reasonable excuse?
I can only see a list of essential services last updated on Dec 23rd via that link - have you seen a more recent one?
No criteria around what level of “involved in professional sports”
An entry for this year’s EWS could be a reasonable excuse?
I assumed "professional" meant "paid to perform".
Travel no further than you need to reach to a safe, non-crowded place to exercise in a socially distanced way.
I guess that means "don't pass suitable places on the way to somewhere else".
I assumed “professional” meant “paid to perform”.
That's how I read it, seems pretty easy to distinguish between your livelihood and a hobby.
I'm really not seeing anything new here to be honest (barring the 2 person rule), what have I missed?
Travel no further than you need to reach to a safe, non-crowded place to exercise in a socially distanced way.
It makes me an idiot but I missed that in the opening paragraph and went directly to the exercise and travel sections where it is not so obvious. I think it should be repeated in the exercise section.
I guess that means “don’t pass suitable places on the way to somewhere else”.
I think I agree with you. What it doesn't say is 'it's ok to pass some suitable places so you can move on to somewhere that the gnar is just the level you like and the views are a bit better' - though I'm sure plenty will act as if that's what it says.
I’m really not seeing anything new here to be honest, what have I missed?
I think the big change (apart from schools and the meetings of only 2 from 2 households rather than the 6 from 2 or the 8 from 3 before that) is the essential travel within your local authority is minimal by law rather than guidance. So me schlepping up to Thurso for a walk might have previously got a suck of teeth, it might now get a fine.
I think the big change (apart from schools) is the essential travel within your local authority is minimal by law rather than guidance. So me schlepping up to Thurso for a walk might have previously got a suck of teeth, it might now get a fine.
Yeah, we abandoned New Year plans to go to Lochinver, even though that was technically allowed, on the basis that the advice was to minimise travel. TBH, it just didn't feel like the right thing to be doing anyway.
I’m really not seeing anything new here to be honest (barring the 2 person rule), what have I missed?
Outdoor sports/leisure facilities to be closed (there was clay pigeon shooting going on here yesterday). I assume that must include ski centres, golf, etc too
Definitely get the feeling now they are simply firefighting. Surely they foreseen this spike/acceleration with the last relaxation? The government can make all the rules/give out the advice they want, they then need to then do a reality check in the real world. I think they would observe a large portion of society are ambivalent to the risks and for these people it is business as normal.(A82 outside the Kings House at the weekend for example) No coherent long term plan or strategy is ever talked about, the vaccine is being rolled out and even that seems without strategy as the timescales between vaccination is now extended to 12 weeks, I understand the rationale, but also think this should have been foreseen from the start, it wasn't so you wonder what actual planning is occurring? I would have thought NHS/carers/teachers would be getting it as they are quite exposed due to nature of job, but it appears nursing homes etc is the focus, couldn't those people be kept safe through other measures initially and focus on getting 'essential' workers safe first. It is a hard situation to manage but I now feel the government have lost their way by not having a long term strategy that is visabily being delivered, a few bumps along the way is to be expected. The game has changed now, with a vaccination available every death is preventable, people dying currently could have been saved, the government really have to get this right now or have more needless deaths. Today's announcements weren't near strong enough to take us in that direction. I work with some young people and they really couldn't care less about the effect of their actions. I can't imagine their parents are proud.
Ski centres closed, golf still an allowed exemption
The same people that didn't give a toss in March will carry on not giving a toss.
It's death by ignorance.
Ski centres closed, golf still an allowed exemption
Not that I play golf but I can see the difference. For a lot golf is just a glorified walk. It's under the same family group or 2 from 2 rules as any other walk. And due the rather decadent use of land social distancing is probably easier on a golf course than anywhere else. I'm assuming you should only play at the course closest to you and that should be local......
Skiing - attracts those from out of area. crowds around lifts, risks to essential services attending to the inevitable broken limbs. I think it's fair it's different.
I agree. Sad to witness the lack of moral compass with people. Even sadder is the sheer number of these people. Selfishness is on a whole new level now. Staying in your house and going out only for essential reasons is pretty clear advice.
What do you do with people who flaunt it? Remove their furlough pay if that is what they are on, if they believe Covid is conspiracy get them up to the Covid ward to remove the dead bodies, no PPE required as it is not real eh? Whole situation is getting worse I feel.
Yup so the addition is local as possible, cheers.
@convert, yup, 2 ball limits, most towns have golf courses, doesn't make much sense to close them.
Even sadder is the sheer number of these people. Selfishness is on a whole new level now. Staying in your house and going out only for essential reasons is pretty clear advice.
What do you do with people who flaunt it?
TBH I don't know what you can do, there isn't a set type of person in these groups.
It's a big mix of rule benders, rule breakers, non-believers and a whole heap of self righteous ‘I know what’s best’ bods .
The only sense I see in closing golf courses is that it would give lots of other folk an optional place to walk so that they weren't crowding into honeypot areas and/or driving further than they need to. Golf itself seems to be pretty safe.
You can still walk around most courses with plenty of room to spare, or certainly on the links courses down here at least.
As an activity I don't see a justification for closing courses just so folk can run their dogs around them without exercising common sense. Plus you would get the inevitable dickheads tearing up the greens and such.
I see everyone is still blaming each other on here, when it's just a complete and utter failure of government(s).
Governments to blame for sure for a lack of a cohesive approach, but those that have been flouting the guidance are very much part of the problem too - no?
Very visible here sadly.
Well what do you propose? The only logical step is to go full martial law but nobody is going to be the one that blinks first.
@sillyoldman - same where i am. Few seem to care now...one of my neighbours has flouted all th eguidelines all the way through, people coming and going. One cafe near us which is on a green was like glastonbury over Christmas, no social distancing, people paying in cash, staff handling it and not washing their hands (apparently, as one of neighbours tells me!). Groups of people all over.
I dont know how to make people do as they're asked? It's not difficult is it, but people seem t think it's the government being awkward, yet in my village half a dozen or so have died from it, but this doesnt seem to compute!
It'll be tier 76 in 2028!
I am genuinely confused now. Does this mean that people can travel within their local authority area or not.
You can travel for local outdoor sport or exercise such as meeting another person, walking, cycling, golf or running that starts and finishes at the same place (which can be up to 5 miles from the boundary of your local authority area), as long as you abide by the rules on meeting other households.
The last I was aware 'local area' was being defined as local authority.
Likewise, 'minimise travel' suggests that it is ok to travel but don't overdo it. For example, would it be reasonable to travel further afield, albeit still within my local authority, once a week or fortnight?
To be clear, I'm not looking for loopholes and intend to abide by the regulations despite my personal opinion of them. However, as a single self employed person living alone and working from home, if it is acceptable to travel to ride on my own then I will.
Travel no further than you need to reach to a safe, non-crowded place to exercise in a socially distanced way.
That's from the ScotGov website today.
would it be reasonable to travel further afield, albeit still within my local authority, once a week or fortnight?
So, that would be a no. Unless that was the only place you could find that met the criteria and you weren't passing others on the way.
