Well what do you propose? The only logical step is to go full martial law but nobody is going to be the one that blinks first.
Why were the likes of Australians and New Zealanders able to accept the lockdown restrictions they had, yet the British (and others) cant? Can you imagine the toy throwing here if anyone arriving by a plane was properly processed at the airport and taken directly to a hotel room where they had to stay there for 2 weeks?
How come those countries can accept that but we cant? Why were any incidents of rule breaking actually properly dealt with there with proper fines and active monitoring?
Why were the likes of Australians and New Zealanders able to accept the lockdown restrictions they had, yet the British (and others) cant? Can you imagine the toy throwing here if anyone arriving by a plane was properly processed at the airport and taken directly to a hotel room where they had to stay there for 2 weeks?
How come those countries can accept that but we cant? Why were any incidents of rule breaking actually properly dealt with there with proper fines and active monitoring?
That's a question I'd love to see an answer to. I don't know, maybe they just have higher trust in their governments. Maybe their governments took affirmative action when it was needed rather than dicking about for a year with little to show for it. Maybe the deniers were dealt with properly and misinformation was thoroughly discredited. Maybe they're generally not a bunch of entitled pricks. All speculation I'm afraid and many possible answers.
squirrelking
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Well what do you propose? The only logical step is to go full martial law but nobody is going to be the one that blinks first.
The approach was proper uk wide lockdowns in september. But nut, ye got the shite tier system, easing, lets have christmas, lets no have christmas etc etc.
Utter shambles.
Aye some people flout the rules, more so since their messaging is so shit, but ultimately we are where we are due to governmental incompetence.
Their considered approach has cost more harm than good when the correct approach was to nip it in the bud as soon as things started rising in september. Which is political incompetence.
Things would have been controlled a lot better if they just acted properly when they should have.
And it's no like that's an opinion with the benefit of hindsight. It was obvious in september.
Sooo... what did Margaret Ferrier do which meritted being arrested that Dominic Cummings didn't?
Westminster needing to try and make the SNP's Covid response look bad?
Sooo… what did Margaret Ferrier do which meritted being arrested that Dominic Cummings didn’t?
Westminster needing to try and make the SNP’s Covid response look bad?
I would say the exact opposite.
Met police did not charge her, Police Scotland did. I'd say this is the SNP showing that even one of their own is not above the law marking them out from the Tory scum in Westminster who should have demanded Cummings fell on his sword. She was told to do the same but didn't so she's going to get a rinsing. Fair play.
What she did was much worse than what cummings did.
convert
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I’d say this is the SNP showing that even one of their own is not above the law
The snp don't run the polis.
The snp don’t run the polis.
🙂
I can't tell if this is irony or not!
What she did was much worse than what cummings did.
And she doesn't even wear glasses.
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What she did was much worse than what cummings did.
Correct ,she was beyond stupid and the publicity just gave even more people an excuse not to give a toss.
This should not let Cummings off the hook,but where is he now the wee gobshite?
See also: Prince Charles.
Never mind September there was plenty that could have been done in the beginning. We're an island nation FFS yet we allowed it to take a hold and then come back worse than ever.
At this stage martial law really is the only way this is going away IMO. People have proven they can't be trusted so it's time to bring out the stick. Sick of seeing folk greeting about their civil liberties, **** them, if they played by the rules in the first place we wouldn't be here today.
Can't disagree with any of that SK.
See also: Prince Charles.
Oh aye, super spreaders..by Royal Appointment
I'd agree SK.
Why we didn't close down borders, I will never know.
Why we didn’t close down borders, I will never know.
I know.
It's got something to do with political unions.
BoardinBob
Full MemberWhy were the likes of Australians and New Zealanders able to accept the lockdown restrictions they had, yet the British (and others) cant?
I think they'd have probably acted equally badly if they'd had a government constantly undermining the lockdowns. Same with vaccines, amid a climate of suspicion and concern we're told "trust us, this is the right thing to do" and then they change everything and say "yeah but trust us, this new thing is the right thing to do". You'd actually think that that have a Department Of Covid Troublemaking.
squirrelking
At this stage martial law
😆 right ye are adolf.
Oops my bad, I had maybe misunderstood who was doing the arresting and charging, plus was too lazy to compare what they had both done, thought both had travelled knowing or suspecting they had Covid.
thought both had travelled knowing or suspecting they had Covid.
that is correct. Cummings also went to the local hospital to infect them as well. He should also be charged.
The scottish government was also hamstrung by a lack of powers - no borrowing power means that they can only furlough people with westminsters say so. I am sure Sturgeon wanted to do miore sept / oct but couldn't for practical reasons
tjagain
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The scottish government was also hamstrung by a lack of powers – no borrowing power means that they can only furlough people with westminsters say so. I am sure Sturgeon wanted to do miore sept / oct but couldn’t for practical reasons
true, but furlough has been available since oct 1, and since we've had a pointless tier system and even within that reducing to tier 3 at completely the wrong time, and lets celebrate christmas nonsense..
She's doing better, but being a bit better isn't really good enough.
Now we know why Nicola was in such a hurry.
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1346170270982283273
Scotland is closed. **** OFF!
She’s doing better, but being a bit better isn’t really good enough.
LOL - I said this in a PM with TJ
Her personal ratings are high but I don't think that "being only slightly more competent than Boris" is a laudable achievement.
seosamh77
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40 % of the infection rate is a lot better?
Well done Martin 🙂
I think we should take back his golf course in Aberdeenshire or plough it up,it's running at a loss anyway.
seosamh77
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40 % of the infection rate is a lot better?
Not when prevalence should be next to nothing. You're comparing the wrong things. I'll leave you to work out that percentage.
Burundi has a population of 11.53 million and has only had 2 covid deaths.
Thailand, at 69 million people has had 65 deaths.
We're actually worse than the yanks, with all their "handicaps"
Here you go TJ. Note that Scottish deaths haven't been updated this year.
Based on the Cases (which have been updated) I think you can see where it's going
We’re actually worse than the yanks, with all their “handicaps”
Yup - our UK wide deaths per million population is about 20% worse than the yanks - which is not a happy stat. Not sure if it's a like for like stat mind (we have a slightly older population and I don't know if there is a different definition of a covid death).
I agree its not great. Two issues really led to the situation we are in. Not locking down early enough or hard enough allowed covid to become endemic and allowing it into care homes caused a lot of deaths. The first was not really in Sturgeons control as without borrowing powers she was hamstrung and the second was poor advice given ( although it should have been obvious it was poor advice)
the key thing for me about Sturgeon thru all this is her attitude. Clear explanations as to what and why - and an acknowledgement that mistakes have been made and that she is accountable for them. thats a huge differnce with Johnson and co
I would rate her performance as a lot better than Johnson but a worse than Ardern
Yup – our UK wide deaths per million population is about 20% worse than the yanks – which is not a happy stat. Not sure if it’s a like for like stat mind.
They are a month behind us. dunno how things compare if you take our figures from a month earlier than theirs.
Scotland now has 40% of the infections of England. dunno if that is reflected in overall deaths
Lots of crossed posts. Scotroutes graphs read to me that Scotland is doing rather better than other similar countries
Scotland now has 40% of the infections of England. dunno if that is reflected in overall deaths
It would appear that you chances of surviving Covid in Scotland are worse than in England. That could be due to poorer care, the demographics of who has been infected or the poorer overall health of folk in Scotland. Of course, it could also be because the rules regarding the inclusion of Covid-19 on Death Certificates in Scotland are more far-reaching than those in England. (Hint)
Golf courses in England to close.
what did Margaret Ferrier do which meritted being arrested that Dominic Cummings didn’t
went on public transport knowing she was positive.
😆 right ye are adolf.
Away tae...
What do you propose then? Go on, how are you going to get all the ****wits to play nice?
I'm not proposing anything other than giving police the power and manning to apply meaningful enforcement. I don't remember anyone calling the Spanish or French fascists after they did it. As I said, people have proven time and time again they can't be trusted to do it right so what other option is there?
Martial law may be going a bit far. Making it law rather than guidance and asking the police to jump hard on folk not go softly softly should be enough.
To be fair English lockdown is tougher than Scottish.....
England:-
Meeting others
You cannot leave your home to meet socially with anyone you do not live with or are not in a support bubble with (if you are legally permitted to form one).
We can meet one other and meet in back gardens
And....Specifying only once a day for exercise
And....If you do leave home for a permitted reason, you should always stay local in the village, town, or part of the city where you live. You may leave your local area for a legally permitted reason, such as for work.
.....Which is linguistically tighter than the Scottish version
Making it law rather than guidance and asking the police to jump hard on folk not go softly softly should be enough
It is law as has been since last year if you were in tier 4.
Of course, it could also be because the rules regarding the inclusion of Covid-19 on Death Certificates in Scotland are more far-reaching than those in England
Very far reaching I thought, when they first came out anyway.
Asking for martial law? That's mental - totally reactionary.
UK policing is based on a consent model, that would be a massive and irreversible change to society - with some massive side effects which would probably be worse for health outcomes (at a minimum) than COVID.
You know, the wacky thing about this is - out of all the folk I know, family friends, colleagues, acquaintances etc - only two people have had it. So, while, in a broader picture I intellectually understand all the restrictions, at a gut level is seems really remote to me. Fair enough I'm younger than most of you guys, but 39 is a long way from 19.
Also, I do think folk are getting themselves in a bit of a froth about the perceived malfeasance/failures of others that are probably lacking in context and also not that well based in the transmission of the virus particles. Generally, it seems that it doesn't transmit very well outside, so while we have a reaction to seeing crowds of folk queuing at a ski slope, probably noone caught it there. A crowded church or pub, aye. We've had an anti "other folk" narrative drummed into us that the sight of groups of folk just gets our backs up - possibly unwarrantedly.
