And Stirling on the naughty step despite having never (that I have seen) going over the 150 cases threshold! Although we did jump up to 139 today, maybe I'll have to be happy on the naughty step.
No travel from 3 to 3 either Matt I'm pretty sure.
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we're kinda just dragging it out, eh...
No travel from 3 to 3 either Matt I’m pretty sure.
LA+5miles for travel to exercise, providing you're not going into a lower from higher or higher from lower.
means if East Dunbartonshire moves to T2 and all around remain T3, I'm on a virtual island.
No travel from 3 to 3 either Matt I’m pretty sure.
Correct. Though the way it's worded I can see how you could be mistaken. Exercise reason excepted.
if East Dunbartonshire moves to T2 and all around remain T3, I’m on a virtual island.
You can transit to another safe zone through higher zones.
means if East Dunbartonshire moves to T2 and all around remain T3, I’m on a virtual island.
I essentially am already in the Borders. T2 area bordered by England (lockdown) 10 miles one way, East Lothian (T3) 10 miles the other way, the sea, and the entire width of the Borders to Dumfries & Galloway (T2).
How long were cases in Shetland below the tier 1 trigger value before it moved down to tier 1?
And when is next review? Can see a lot of hospitality businesses and suppliers not doing well if they miss the Christmas trade.
Shetland was in Level 1 from the start of that system. The documentation on Level 1 states that two households can meet indoors but that was excluded when it first started. We are in Highlands. That's also Level 1 but we still can't meet up in each others houses.
You can transit to another safe zone through higher zones.
yeah in theory I could head out to the trail centers, but to me, it just wouldn't feel right with everyone else around me in a 'warmer' tier.
Yeh we've been in level 1 in Shetland all along but couldn't meet inside. Nicola has said island communities can meet t with one other inside now. But if anyone leaves the Isles they should not mix inside for an undetermined period of time.
We've had a total of 70 cases now, 3rd from bottom I think.
Top suggestion to name Glasgow city councils new gritter is.....
Margrit Ferrier super spreader! 😆😆😆
Class!
LOLz!
I got stopped by the police this AM going to my Mums in Balmullo, from Edinburgh. I was dropping off a food delivery for her as she couldn't get an online delivery and is blind so is scared to go out. They were fine about it but wanted to see the groceries in the boot !
Hey, my mum and dad are in Balmullo too!
Where did you get pulled over?
A92, just by Kirkcaldy.
Looking likely greater glasgow will be into Tier 4 this Friday
Seems that way - a sweetener so it can be relaxed for Xmas so we can all mix and then need a third lockdown in mid January.
I'd just put all of us in the central belt in tier 4.
From an east coast perspective people here seem to be getting pretty antsy at being in the same tier as Glasgow, when we're doing literally twice to three times "better" on average. I do think Glasgow probably has to go up but I also think it'll restore a bit of faith in the east and make people think that we're in the right tier after all.
(IMO, as long as things are stricter in England they should be taking advantage of that here to get controls as high as they dare and get prevalance down as far as possible and also to get a bit more reality to set in instead of the ridiculous "Oh god, the pubs are closed, this is DRACONIAN" bullshit that seems to have actually become pretty standard. I reckon they can get away with and basically motivate people to approve of much more, as long as it's 1% less than England and the national news is obsessing with that. So even though we could probably drop edinburgh a level I'm quite happy that they've not)
Aye, while we're far from great here, we're not at Glasgow levels, I'd support driving it down for 2 or 3 weeks.
Easy for me to say, as it wouldn't really affect me.
Nurse on wife's ward was due to get punted on rota to ITU yesterday, got sent straight back, 6 nurses, only one patient. That's a good sign.
Sights like this are pretty depressing
I have to say as an Edinbugger that I am getting pretty fed up of this and want us to go down a tier.
I know the long lens is a cliche, but that is made to look a lot worse, you can see the slope of buchanan st.
Spoke briefly to neighbour of past 18 years earlier today, intelligent guy, early 50s, responsible job and his wife is a head teacher, 2 late teens boys. He was saying they have basically all said stuff it to lockdown, now it’s winter they’ve had enough - fed up missing nights out, gigs etc. They had folk round both nights of the weekend, boys had pals staying over etc.... Oh, and his mother died of Covid a month back.
I honestly didnt know what to say, so just said nothing and moved on...gobsmacked..
I have to say as an Edinbugger that I am getting pretty fed up of this and want us to go down a tier.
The biggest growth in the last few weeks has been from tier 1 and 2 areas, be careful what you wish for. Tier 3 restrictions is what has driven your numbers down, I'd rather see us stick with it than look for a gold star.
Iain, There's another covid cliping thread, move along.
I didn’t say anything about cliping, my thoughts were more around the ineffective nature of the lockdown measures as time goes on.
Aye, we're surrounded by these folk, I'd just rather not give them a platform or even a second thought tbh.
Agreed, though when you think you know someone reasonably well and have had some respect for them it kinda highlights the flaws in the whole approach. I suspect we will float between Level 3 & 4 here right through the winter and until the majority have been vaccinated.
Aye, I think you're right.
I did just find out that my bit of Edinburgh is one of the current offenders. I assume it was a key swapping party or something. Or maybe that one dude that works in Alldays whose mask doesn't fit properly over his epic beard.
But, still, it slightly rankles that Edinburgh is 87 cases per 100000 over 7 days, Glasgow is 275 and in the same tier, borders is 61.5 and is a tier lower. I'm not that guy, but I can totally see why that guy says "this is stupid, it's the same here as there really, I'm driving to glentress". Or whatever. It's a hard sell.
Many pals who work in or run pubs, venues and restaurants aren't very happy at missing out on the December/Christmas trade which is essential for their businesses.
Doesn't make much odds to me personally, I'm on UC and just go for long walks all day and make my own beer.
The 11 areas moving to level four in Scotland
Those council areas are: the City of Glasgow, Renfrewshire, East Renfrewshire, East Dunbartonshire, West Dunbartonshire, North Lanarkshire, South Lanarkshire, East Ayrshire, South Ayrshire, Stirling and West Lothian.
The measures will begin on Friday, will be in place for three weeks, and are due to be lifted on 11 December.
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"The guidance on travel restrictions will become law from Friday.
That means people living in level three or level four must not travel outside their own council area, except for certain essential purposes."
No more Glentressing for Edinburghers
Pessimistically I think we need to change the thread title. The other big news is that travel ban is becoming law! Struggling to see the justification for certain areas tbh. But there we go.
"Pessimistically I think we need to change the thread title" Nah we're lucky enough to have up to 3 groups meeting out doors now. Still not the 5 groups that we had in August though.
It must be hard for those much more restricted, never mind those now going to level 4. Regardless of Xmas easing I'll not be seeing family for Xmas as they're down in England, hoping I'll get to see them at Easter when my daughter baby arrives.
The other big news is that travel ban is becoming law
Will be interesting to see if the 5 mile guidance for exercise etc becomes part of the travel law.
'The maximum number of people you can meet indoors and outdoors in a restaurant, café, pub or bar is 6 which can be from up to 2 separate households. From 19 November 2020 this will increase to a maximum of 8 people from up to 3 households outdoors.'
Does this mean 3 households can only meet for hospitality outdoors (beer garden or something), but not indoors for hospitality from Thursday? In which case it's effectively meaningless here (Shetland)
Will be interesting to see if the 5 mile guidance for exercise etc becomes part
Hopefully the 5 Miles outside yer council area for exercise is still the plan, wee yin goes horseriding 2 miles into East Ayrshire on a Saturday, wife and I take this time to go walking the local hills (within south ayrshire)
Sorry Edinburgh City People, that's because I washed my motorhome in anticipation of a cheeky weekend away. Bugger.
V interested to hear more about the legislative side of travel. Nicola used the words "not out and abouut"
I was planning a socially distanced ride with a mate from another part of stirling at the weekend. He is not leaving the council area but will be more than 5 miles from home.
I didn't hear her mention 5 mile limit Steve
finally tier 4, should have happened 2 months ago countrywide.
The tier levels are a pile of nonsense btw, as ye say got guys like TJ upset they aren't going down to tier 2, nothing surer than if that happened, things will start rising as things open up in edinburgh and more people travel over there... (Where do you think all the glasgow dafties will go for their christmas shopping and pints.)
Who was it that said whack a mole.... cause that's what we are playing at. (ie this is boris's silly game)
Should have been. 2/3 week lockdown 2 months ago, and we'd probably be going into another 2 week lockdown just now, but that would be infinitely better than this dragging it out nonsense. tier has been inevitable for months now.
2 week aff for everyone every 2 months(or as soon as numbers start rising) should be the strategy, instead of this procrastinating about overly complex tier systems and rules they've put in place.
The game is to keep numbers down, not let them rise quickly and then drag it out.
Re the five miles for exercise - it is all in the travel guidance - under Exceptions at the end. So you can travel for exercise but only five miles. I am pretty sure Glentress is more than five miles from the border with any other local authority area - Mid Lothian would be the closest I think?
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-travel-and-transport/
Aye, 5 miles outside your authority, not 5 miles hels? I'm not reading it now, as it usually takes a couple of days to update, or even change.
