local outdoor informal exercise such as walking, cycling, golf, or running (in groups of up to 6 people from no more than 2 households) that starts and finishes at the same place
travel locally (within around 5 miles of your local authority area) to reach a place to take exercise outdoors
Without wanting to confuse things, surely the within around 5 miles of your local authority area is a typo that should read within around 5 miles of your local authority area
Looks like a content writing failure to me
Why should Highland have tier 4 now Seosanh?
Incidentally I agree we should have gone to a lockdown a few weeks ago Problem is people didn't want to comply with rules or advice, now that it's going to be law I have doubts that will be anymore effective.
Re Local authority area. Stirling is bloody massive. Tyndrum is over 50 miles from the city for instance, so that is not even remotely passable for local but according to that, its fine. So i could, im theory, cycle over half the west highland way as mugdock is still stirling.
I think what they are trying to say is travel five miles - if you live right on the border you can travel five miles into another authority for exercise. I think. I don't actually know but that would make sense and be easier. I just tried to find the draft amendment to the regulations but nae luck.
What I don't think they are saying is that you can travel all the way across your authority, then another five miles. That would make no sense. In any case - whichever is correct - we get Glentress to ourselves for a few weeks except the law breakers who I am sure will be both manifest and legion.
I am taking it as hels reads it.
You cannot travel outside your local authority area without 'proper' reason.
You can travel up to 5 miles or so for exercise, regardless of local authority boundary.
And remember Rule No.1.
I live in Edinburgh and I'm in an extended household with my parents who live in Aberdeenshire. Currently I can travel to visit them despite them being in a different authority and a different level to me. Is there any news whether that'll change with travel restrictions becoming law?
I think what they are trying to say is travel five miles – if you live right on the border you can travel five miles into another authority for exercise. I think. I don’t actually know but that would make sense and be easier.
It's an awful bit of content. I lead teams that build GDS services and I'd be having a user researcher and content designer having a long hard look at that.
gordimhor
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Why should Highland have tier 4 now Seosanh?
now cause they're committed to the tier system, that horse has bolted, point i'm making is the slow decision making of their tier system and their slow decision making is the big issue here.
2 months ago, if you are applying their current rules, no where should have gone tier 4. But if you applied common sense rules. Everywhere should have. But dragging on we going. They've allowed prevalence to go to high.
Let's wait and see what is written into law.
The guidance will be following the law - if the amendments to regs come into force Friday they must be laid in the very near future. Already written I would say.
GDS - how did that TLA make it past the swear filter!
Seosamh I agree with your assessment of the situation we're in and of where we were two months ago. I just think that people finding a way of stretching the rules because they feel that they're an exceptional case or especially folk just plain doing what they want because they're scunnered, stressed at breaking point etc, is a major cause of the higher prevalence of the virus.
I reckon some of Scottish governments decisions have been late. I worry that this one may be too late to allow any relaxation at Christmas but we still need to tighten up now and if that means a crap Christmas so be it.
Frustrating to be just inside an area that remains tier 3- our council boundaries got changed a while back and without that we'd be in tier 2. But so it goes.
****ing Richard Leonard...
"And he questioned why areas such as North and South Lanarkshire had been included at a time when their transmission rates were falling."
Is it because even though their rates are falling they're still the third and fourth worst areas in Scotland and literally twice as high as the tier 3 average? 3 times higher than at mine? Yes Richard, yes it is. Just as well he's totally irrelevant, or shit like this could be harmful.
The guidance will be following the law
The guidance was there before they mentioned putting the travel restriction into law.
The 5 mile thing is too vague. As the crow flies? By road? By footpath? It'll have to be removed from the law part. You can either leave the area or not. Although it's a pain for those of us that live right on the border of 2 areas. I can walk a couple of streets into a different local authority area
I worry that this one may be too late to allow any relaxation at Christmas
I detest my mother in law and sister in law so I'm desperate for the restrictions to be in place at Xmas so I can avoid the day from hell with them.
If it's not then I may fake covid to get out of it or claim that I've been in close contact with a positive case!
Ok. I am slightly confused. Is the 5 mile thing about travelling to exercise or for exercise? I’ve read it that you can’t drive 20 miles to go for a walk, for example but you could do a 20 mile walk. Also can I do a road ride starting/finishing at home which takes me into a different tier?
gordimhor
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Seosamh I agree with your assessment of the situation we’re in and of where we were two months ago. I just think that people finding a way of stretching the rules because they feel that they’re an exceptional case or especially folk just plain doing what they want because they’re scunnered, stressed at breaking point etc, is a major cause of the higher prevalence of the virus.
Nah, people don't help, but it's absolutely government handling that's to blame, both uk and scottish gov(uk taking a bigger share of the blame imo.). But It's been either half arsed or just sheer incompetence, probably a mix of both.
New restrictions will make sod all difference to the folk doing what they want anyway.Boils my piss that I won't be getting up any hills as I help reduce the rate by following the regs.Meanwhile some wee scheme goblin can carry on stotting from house to house at the weekend, with the odd maskless swagger through Tescos to confirm their baddie status. Bet social media is just as full of group rides, folk up hills etc.
NB; for clarification scheme goblins range from 14 to their natural diet suppressed lifespan of late 50's.Not singling out young folk here.
Was more just thinking you are being a middle class bawbag rather than ageist there tbh. Of course the middle classes are exempt from house parties. They'd never do such a thing! 😆
I guess people's particular prejudices come to the fore at times like this...
New restrictions will make sod all difference to the folk doing what they want anyway.
Very much this. Particularly as it has all but been announced that the legislation won't really be enforced.
From the BBC website,
Asked by Highlands and Islands MSP Donald Cameron how the travel ban will work, Ms Sturgeon replied: "The police will enforce the regulations in the way that the police have enforced all the regulations that have been in place, in other words it will be a last resort."
She added that she expects people will be punished only where there is a "clear and flagrant breach".
Assistant Chief Constable Alan Speirs encouraged people to take personal responsibility and "do the right thing" to prevent the virus from spreading.
He added: "We will use enforcement as a last resort where there is a clear breach of the legislation.
"The chief constable has said publicly on numerous occasions that we will not be routinely stopping vehicles or setting up road blocks, and that will not change as a result of travel restrictions now being in law.
"However, officers may in the course of their duties come across people who are travelling from one local authority area to another. In areas where travel restrictions apply, officers will continue to use the common sense, discretion and excellent judgement that they have applied since the crisis began."
Oh well, looks like the wee yin is stuck hillwalking in South Ayrshire with us on a saturday instead of going 2 miles into East Ayrshire for her day of buggering aboot wi horses. She'll be delighted! 🙂
as ye say got guys like TJ upset they aren’t going down to tier 2,
I am just peed off about it as I try to follow the rules and with cases lowish and going down in Edinburgh I had hope for a relaxation
I am going to have to look very carefully at the rules for riding for exercise as I live in the city and most of my commonly used routes take me out of the city. riding within the city is somewhat limited
local outdoor informal exercise such as walking, cycling, golf, or running (in groups of up to 6 people from no more than 2 households) that starts and finishes at the same place
travel locally (within around 5 miles of your local authority area) to reach a place to take exercise outdoors
I read that as there is no restiction on riding outside the area? Anyone help me out? the five mile travel is to travel to start my exercise so no glentress but if I am on my bike ride no resatiction on how far I go as all my bike rides will be starting and finishing from the same place - my front door.
I am just peed off about it as I try to follow the rules
So, the same as the rest of us then.
TJ - Scottish Cycling say no to travel outwith your LA to ride, under Level 4, unless you ride there..
I am in tier 3.
However then that agrees with my interpretation that I can ride from my house out into east lothian and back again
That’s the way I read it too TJ. I as planning to ride next week and if I take the road bike out it’ll definitely cross borders. Sadly there is no good MTB ride that I could do starting within around 5 miles
seosamh77
Funny how you chose to ignore this line eh?
Bet social media is just as full of group rides, folk up hills etc
But as you are a bigot, I am glad you were annoyed enough to try and score points. Ironic you mentioning prejudices bearing in mind what you have been banned from here for!
But as you are a bigot
Cringe.
Full Member
seosamh77Bet social media is just as full of group rides, folk up hills etc
Never missed that at all, interesting you seem to view them as exclusively middle class activities though, and outwith the interests of "scheme goblins"..
btw, anyone know what legislation covers current travel restrictions? Curious to read the actually legality around it all?
I'm not sure it's published yet Joe, usually takes a couple of days to be published in detail. Then another couple of days for more changes!.
I'm trying to view houses in Dumfries as mines sold does viewing class as essential.
Moving does but I need to view to buy...
Looks like you can but virtual viewings initially if possible
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-moving-home/pages/advice-to-the-public/#propertymoves
Never said that either,but you crack on. Like I said, I think it's funny that you have to try and distort what I said to have a go. Thanks for the upgrade in social class by the way!
And back to the thread.
I'm not likely to buy a house of a virtual view.
Tbf I'm so picky I'm all over google maps planning sites ect that by the point I've making an appointment I'm not kicking its tyres if you know what I mean.
Nobeerinthefridge
Free Member
I’m not sure it’s published yet Joe, usually takes a couple of days to be published in detail. Then another couple of days for more changes!.
haha true! 😆
Tbf I’m so picky I’m all over google maps planning sites ect that by the point I’ve making an appointment I’m not kicking its tyres if you know what I mean.
You should be fine, just need to check with the local agent/solicitor.
I am going to have to look very carefully at the rules for riding for exercise as I live in the city and most of my commonly used routes take me out of the city. riding within the city is somewhat limited
We're in same boat TJ, was planning a 'simple' road ride on Saturday but having checked it actually leaves Lothian and passes through West Lothian, Falkirk, Clackmannanshire, Fife and back into Lothian...
West Lothian is the only Tier 4 area and as it's the first area we would pass through the likelihood of us having to stop is pretty minimal.
BUUUUUT... since our route was supposed to be an homage to the classics, we could just stick within Lothian and do a tour of the city centre cobbles
The City Centre route could be quite fun and given the forecast headwinds on Saturday I'm not even sure I want to visit Skinflats, could be blowy...
If yo do the city route gies a shout - I'll join you on my fatty and glide over the cobbles 🙂
Found out what the laws are in relation to level 4(well all levels are in it, I'm only concerned about 4 at the minute though. 😆 ).
Under scottish statutory instruments, specifically:
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions and Requirements) (Local Levels) (Scotland) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/344/contents
Doesn't look like the travel restrictions are in yet(i've just scan read so far mind), I think that's why sturgeon is in parliament the morra and they'll be adding an amendment No3? which will come into force on friday I guess.
Yep, all.this discussion is hypothetical until we see what Friday brings.
We’re in same boat TJ, was planning a ‘simple’ road ride on Saturday but having checked it actually leaves Lothian and passes through West Lothian, Falkirk, Clackmannanshire, Fife and back into Lothian…
West Lothian is the only Tier 4 area and as it’s the first area we would pass through the likelihood of us having to stop is pretty minimal.
Feel free to go beyond the regulations if you don't feel it is safe but the rules are that..
Local outdoor informal exercise such as walking, cycling, golf, or running (in groups of up to 6 people from no more than 2 households) that starts and finishes at the same place
...is an exception so you can do it if you want to.
We dodged level 4! North Ayrshire was one of the worse places at one point so that's pretty good. Not so good that all the skating is cancelled since KA decided the best use for the rink at Auchenharvie was to put a sodding gym on it and the other pads we have a chance of accessing are in Level 4 areas.
@nobeerinthefridge your wee ones horse riding should be okay under the rules as it's (presumably) outdoors and non-contact.
@squirrelking Stables put out a communication last night that they were only taking members from within East Ayrshire, understandable as they're protecting their business.
North Ayrshires decisions around the ice rink there are baffling tbh, the only folk that use the gyms are paying buttons, as everyone else who isn't on benefits of some sort are using cheaper private gyms.
That's fair enough I guess, it keeps things simple as well.
It's the usual up here though, KA is totally opaque and uninterested in maintaining it's facilities. Sad that a private curling rink (relying solely on the figure skating clubs) could run a full pad but a public body can't.
