Wife was out with her parents today for a "cuppie" she felt more at risk mingling with the great unwashed at Dobbies than if she had went to their house. They were sat closer across a table than if she had been at their home there would have been spaced further apart. I just don't quite grasp why thats allowed yet a home visit isn't.
Basically, because the track and trace data suggests that more people are getting it in other people's homes than at Dobbie's
Wife was out with her parents today for a “cuppie” she felt more at risk mingling with the great unwashed at Dobbies than if she had went to their house. They were sat closer across a table than if she had been at their home there would have been spaced further apart. I just don’t quite grasp why thats allowed yet a home visit isn’t.
Because some people are a bit thick or willfully ignorant. The latter are probably ignoring some of the rules anyway. If Margaret Ferrier is an example of the level of understanding of Joe Public of what to do in a pandemic when you have symptoms then there is a massive communication issue.
munrobiker
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Basically, because the track and trace data suggests that more people are getting it in other people’s homes than at Dobbie’s
where is the data that says that? stuff on here isn't that specific, is it public?
You're right. They could be telling porkies.
Nice to see that the changes will come in before a weekend. BBC trailing similar for England - from Monday 🤬
scotroutes
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You’re right. They could be telling porkies.
me? 😆 I just want to see the data, I'm making no assertions, would be an interesting read, if they published it?
I know, I know.
I was reading this and can't see any reference to household mixing being the biggest issue. In fact they make much of modelling the increase as regards the relaxation of rules around the Hospitality sector.
I cold hazard a guess and suggest that stopping folk going into each others homes costs the economy very little, so it's seen as an easy win.
link no worky?
I was reading this and can’t see any reference to household mixing being the biggest issue.
Is that not the Family and Friends Gatherings which is just as big in the graph of T&T reported positives? (Roughly around para 35 but I’m on a phone so don’t have it open anymore).
And no nat 5 exams this year, not sure how I feel about that one. MinibutnowtallerthanmeLD seems to think it’s all good. First real exams will be highers!
If they are smart they won’t bother bringing them back either - perhaps having some sort of small scale structure assessments along the way but I really don’t think exams prove much at that stage that can’t be obtained other ways which may be fairer about things that matter.
The advice on travelling or not outwith your own health board is not clear IMO. I live in Lanarkshire HB area, and would normally drive to Greater Glasgow and Clyde to ride trails at Mugdock. Both in the 5 affected areas.... is it bad practise or acceptable ??
scotroutes
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cheers
iainc
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The advice on travelling or not outwith your own health board is not clear IMO. I live in Lanarkshire HB area, and would normally drive to Greater Glasgow and Clyde to ride trails at Mugdock. Both in the 5 affected areas…. is it bad practise or acceptable ??
seems fairly clear, don't travel unless necessary.
Up to you to make a judgement though, are you going to be in contact with anyone would be my overriding consideration.
is it bad practise or acceptable ??
I think you only needed 1 ?
From the FMs speech
We are not imposing mandatory travel restrictions at this stage, and specifically, we are not insisting that people cancel any half term breaks they have planned.
However, in general, we are advising people living in Greater Glasgow & Clyde, Lanarkshire, Ayrshire & Arran, Lothian and Forth Valley not to travel outside the health board area they live in, if you don’t need to - and likewise people in other parts of Scotland should not travel to these areas if they don’t need to.
More detail of all that I have just set out will be available on the Scottish Government website.
However, there does not appear to be anything (yet) on the ScotGov website concerning these travel restrictions.
I’m not so sure about travelling from one of the 5 areas to another one or one outside that region. Is that now against the guidance?
It depends what for, there is guidance posted by Scotroutes but also elaborated on in the Q&A after. No outright ban but don't be a dick, if plans already made, no need to change, but if you make new ones you're a dick...?
"We are not saying to people in those health board areas that they cannot travel. I am not saying to people in those areas that, if they have an October holiday break planned, they cannot go."
sake, are we really back here again, go mtbing ffs, you'll be sound. 😆 you're not going to be in doors aren't in contact with loads of folk, so happy days. Just use common sense.
Thanks, my own feeling is that it is not in the spirit of the guidance to drive half an hour from home, in Lanarkshire HB, to park in Milngavie, in GGCHB, and go for a 3 hr ride, and drive home.
If I happened however to have booked a holiday air bnb over that side of town for a few days break to go ride Mugdock and Campsies every day over the weekend it would be fully within the spirit of the guidance..
seosamh77
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sake, are we really back here again, go mtbing ffs, you’ll be sound. 😆 you’re not going to be in doors aren’t in contact with loads of folk, so happy days. Just use common
This;but don't post it on any social media or the self-appointed covid police will get you.
sake, are we really back here again, go mtbing ffs
I agree, let's not go back there.
Yes, that would be my interpretation too. Go if it was already planned before the announcement but if not it’s not within the spirit of the new rules. Whether that matters to you or not is down to your own conscience I guess.
^^^^ yes, that's very much where my mind sits on this one. Keen however to see what other views are held as part of the debate 🙂
Our original plan of 2 households (1 from Glasgow and 1 from Lothian) going to a house on Lewis for a week from this Saturday, has changed slightly.
Daughter who doesn't live with us agreed not to go so we could still go.
She now has tested positive for Covid, she reckons from being in a bar in Glasgow.
Thankfully we've not seen her for 3 weeks.
I've messaged the property owner to see if they are still happy for us to come.
So currently we are still planning on going!
Was listening to Radio Scotland earlier, not sure who from govt was answering but her insistence the rules were very clear was somewhat undermined by her then confusing it even more. IN essence it's - don't change plans ie cancel (obvs to protect tourism as much as possible) but equally do not travel. Which I interpret as if you have plans then go but be very careful and respectful, if you don;t have plans then stay close to home in your region.
I think what most folk (including government) are doing to trying to limit the spread by using intelligence/common sense. Hospitality limitations are probably sensible because a lot of folk make less good decisions after a few pints. Travelling wise I think Nicola and co have always tried to express that the reason for limits is to stop the spread from higher infection area to lower and I think the reason there is no travel ban is to allow us to make informed decisions.
Do I live in a high infection area, where have I been in the last 14 days that I possibly could have caught the virus? Where am I planning to go and what possible implications could there be if I am infectious? Should I buy food/drink in the area to support the economy or should I be self sufficient? If you feel there is a real risk of you infecting someone in that region then don't go. If the risk is minimal and manageable and you are willing to change plans if risk increases for whatever reason (busyness) then think twice more and go if you can justify it. That's why it's not a ban. Only other question to ask in my mind is whether my decisions/actions will have an effect on others who might make less informed decisions?
Is it confusing? if you have a previous booking, go if you want but be sensible once there, but don't make a new booking?.
We've just cancelled ours, as it was a group thing for a couple of days paddling, it couldn't really go ahead IMO.
I've cancelled my plan partly due to perceived risks of being in a hotel and trying to find food and partly because it might be fairly miserable. I feel bad about not spending in the area but on balance probably better not to go. I would still be going if I had booked self catering.
I will be looking at day trips with the bike, fully risk assessed.
Nothing mentioned on gov.scot about travel out of the your health board area. Leaving the central belt etc. Only news websites it is mentioned.
So If I live in Stirling and have a bolthole in the borders that I use for bikes. Should I not go to the borders now at all for 2 weeks?
lightfighter - that would be my understanding - advised not to rather than ordered tho.
Yep. The FM said not to travel outside one of the 5 affected areas and that details would be in the ScotGov website. They aren't (yet). We've seen delays to guidance before, sometimes changes being documented announced.
I will be looking at day trips with the bike, fully risk assessed.
Are you off this week?
I've boats and bikes that need using...
Off Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon pm and next Thursday.
Not doing gravel 😉
Still nothing on government website but this is fairly conclusive on half term breaks in particular. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scotland-staycation-lockdown-rules-confirmed-22811460
Fairly conclusive, but open to interpretation.
Basically, you should stay within the central belt areas and not travel to other parts of the country, but if you want to travel outwith that area you can, just be sensible.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52646738 also summarises it the same way.
still kinda vague on travel within the central belt areas, but yes, message is consistently don't go away from home unless you have a prebooked break
ScotGov also having an absolute shocker with the whole cafe/restaurant thing. Where do Bistros fall?
I’m a cafe and so is my wife.
In the spirit of Boris and his 3 word catchphrases, nae public swally would have been a clearer message.
scotroutes
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ScotGov also having an absolute shocker with the whole cafe/restaurant thing. Where do Bistros fall?
They aren't really, it's just the usual people looking for ways around the restriction.
If it's so difficult for everyone, the answer is simply shut everything.
A bistro or bistrot /ˈbiːstroʊ/, is, in its original Parisian incarnation, a small restaurant, serving moderately priced simple meals in a modest setting with alcohol. Bistros are defined mostly by the foods they serve. French home-style cooking, and slow-cooked foods like cassoulet, a bean stew, are typical.
Nice that I got the 1888th post! 😆
M'on the Bhoys.
