From the current version (dated 22nd Sept) of the ScotGov guidelines
Travelling to Scotland from other parts of the UK
You can travel to Scotland from other parts of the UK, for example to visit family and friends, unless there are local restrictions in place in Scotland or the area you live in, advising you against doing so.You can stay overnight in someone’s house, but you should follow the general guidance on staying safe and seeing friends and family.
You can also stay in holiday accommodation.
So, you can stay in someone's house, but presumable only if they are staying somewhere else????
Really? Does covid not pass between age groups then?
No - but the balance of risk is different in that children suffer more harm from social isolation and less from covid - and they are meeting and mixing in schools. also not much point in putting in place rules that are just going to be broken.
its all about balance of risks
On pubs - thinking about it pubs round here are (almost?) all closing at ten anyway and running at 30 - 50% of capacity those that have opened at all - about half of them
We’ve got an AirBnB booked for October and the grandparents were due to join us. Two households, six people and not in our house. So is that still (technically) allowed or not?
Of course it could all have changed by then, but I’d like to know if we would be breaking the rules if we went tomorrow.
I'd say yes. Your household is moving to a new domestic property. A second household can't share that domestic property with you. Or even visit it inside.
But my guess is that we'll have a travel ban for half term so you'd be screwed in any case.
Here is something I have been pondering about the stairs in my building. 3 floors are offices, 3 flats in the attic. Main doors open 9-5.
As the offices are now in - at least some of them does the stair become a public place and thus we should be masked going up and down or not?
just cancelled our self catering airbnb in innerliethen that we were due to be going to in early oct.
What a ballache - will see about a weekend in the lakes instead.
As the offices are now in – at least some of them does the stair become a public place and thus we should be masked going up and down or not?
I'd say yes. It's a shared indoor public space.
From the current version (dated 22nd Sept) of the ScotGov guidelines
Whilst it says it was updated today it is the old/current regs not the new ones from tomorrow. That caught me out last week with the rule of 6 changes and exercising with others - the date on the website said it has been updated after an announcement but it still showed the current regs rather than the newly announced regs so I wrongly assumed exercising with 6 from multiple houses was ok under the rule of 6 when it wasn't.
Ta Scotroutes. We rarely see anyone in the stair but I cannot remember seeing anyone wearing a mask
TJ - I guess you should also be thinking about touch points - bannisters etc (although I appreciate that you actually levitate up the stair well).
So here is a question. Will anybody be grassing on their neighbours when they see additional cars parked outside?
We wear masks in the public corridor around the office, plus have hand wash on hand in and out of office, plus have twice daily clean of all door handles etc. It's public space, you can't be too careful.
@nedrapier
Supposed to be staying in Bhaltos.
Where are you?
Was properly looking forward to it as a 50th birthday trip!
Suppose it's not going anywhere and there's always next year!
twice weekly clean of the stair and bannister. I do not touch the banister at all tho and the bottom door if locked I open with a key only and shut with my foot.
Hmmmm - I shouldn't have asked - i am going to have to do something about it now. Buggeration. I wonder who has responsibility? 6 out of 8 offices owned by the same company and rented, two owner occupied. One flat owner occupied, 2 rented. the majority owner acts as a factor but only for convenience - no legal responsibility
But my guess is that we’ll have a travel ban for half term so you’d be screwed in any case.
This is what I fear will happen too. ☹
@Convert spotted that too it's pretty ridiculous when the government's own website can't get essential information right.
So here is a question. Will anybody be grassing on their neighbours when they see additional cars parked outside?
Why would you do that ? You have no idea who's there and why. There are many reasons why legitimately another car could be outside your neighbours house.
I won't be cliping, polis are busy enough as it is.
SBC schools and parents just been sent out information on "plan B" a whole spiel a lot of high level information. Almost out of the blue. Suddenly hearing from above that we'll be in plan B very soon. Aye that'll be the weeks around Oct half term then.
I'm upset that I'm front and centre with very little mitigation and now can't see my elderly parents. Yet it's ok to go on the piss with your mates as long as you stoat home at 2200.
On cliping. Not for a suspected extra person but a house party of 50 people yes I would
SBC schools and parents just been sent out information on “plan B” a whole spiel a lot of high level information. Almost out of the blue. Suddenly hearing from above that we’ll be in plan B very soon. Aye that’ll be the weeks around Oct half term then.
Could you give a bit more detail on that? What is this plan B? Thanks.
True on both counts, g_s. We're at Dalmore. Camped on the beach for a couple of weeks with a few mates maybe 15 years ago, lovely to come back with a wee family!
Kids in max of 4 days depending on school size staffing etc. Minimum will be 2 days, 41% of normal contact, some will be in as normal (there's a list of schools). Teacher non contact compressed into Friday. When kids not in they will be distance learning.
www.scotborders.gov.uk/schoolreopening
Letter to parents in the second section.
Thanks.
That just sounds like contingency planning though rather than something in the pipeline for around the October hols?
On cliping. Not for a suspected extra person but a house party of 50 people yes I would
and that is the proportional response to dealing with this IMO
Spin oh it is. But it's gone from zero to hero in short time. We're being advised to start loading up teams/onenote now and rapidly.
Nothing has been said but the feeling is when everyone up the payscales says don't worry just prepared. It's time to worry.
Obviously that's just how we feel and is not a reflection or representation of SBC thoughts or policies.
Fairy nuff. Watch this space basically.
We get 2 weeks in October anyway, those tatties won't howk themselves. 🙂
Tj- if I shared a stair with businesses that are clearly just using computers I'd be asking them why they have people coming in. We have offices on our street that don't need to be there, they just use computers, but for some reason they all came back in early May and an accountant never left at all (in fact all the accountants offices I pass regularly never shut).
Its a very mixed bunch monrobiker and only some are in for parts of the week. Mix of reasons why they are in
I suspect this is preparing us for a travel ban, folk on here still talking about booking accommodation should probably make sure it is insured.
Agree on the travel ban front.
Also we're on a single week Oct half term. So a two week "lockdown" gives us 1 week of plan B to stay in line with regulations.
I suspect this is preparing us for a travel ban
As a teacher I feel pretty exposed at work, we've got less protection than shop workers. I'm not too troubled by that because I've got no additional risk factors and I recognise the importance of keeping schools open.
However, a travel ban on top of everything else would piss me right off because I'd be exposed to all that risk at work but be denied the very low risk, healthy, outdoor activities I do in my leisure time.
A travel ban is too blunt a tool. It's not the travel but what people do once they've got there that is the issue. Plus a travel ban will kill any recovery in tourism. Whitty was interviewed on Radio Scotland last night and said they were very keen to support the tourist industry so hopefully that means no imminent travel ban.
I'm also struggling to see the point with this continual tinkering with rules. We're probably at the point now where those who have been careful will continue to be so and those who haven't won't. There was probably an element of that from the start but 'regulation fatigue' has definitely set in for a lot of otherwise responsible people.
We have offices on our street that don’t need to be there, they just use computers, but for some reason they all came back in early May and an accountant never left at all (in fact all the accountants offices I pass regularly never shut).
There can be welfare reasons as well as only being able to do work from a specific location.
I've had team members return to the office because their home environment was posing a significant H&S risk.
+1 we have staff in the office for a variety of reasons - from rural broadband being poor through to HwB reasons.
What we do have is a pile of protocols for being in the office, half the number of desks we had before and monitor it constantly.
A travel ban is too blunt a tool. It’s not the travel but what people do once they’ve got there that is the issue.
This, travel ban is pretty pointless.
Not having a travel ban is good.
Now we can go for a decent road ride without all the angst.
All we need now is car drivers to observe social distancing from bicycles... 🙂
The counter argument is that if folk aren't allowed to travel then they can't break restrictions on arrival...but I am in the glass half full camp at this stage.
Had an update from one of the places I'm staying in for the WHW walk.
Thanks for getting in touch. I hope you are well.
Great news, we have received some clarification from the Scottish Government after the announcements made on Tuesday 22nd September 2020.
Self-catering and hotel accommodation are exempt from the one household restriction which means you are still able to come and enjoy your stay with us as long as you are two households or less and no more than 6 people (under 12s are exempt). You can find more information on this update at https://www.assc.co.uk/new-coronavirus-restrictions-in-scotland-what-you-need-to-know/.
Looks like I'm back on to do it, also clears us for our October trip to Lewis!
giant_scrum, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, this was issued by Scottish Tourism Alliance yesterday
Update on Self Catering number of guests permitted to stay in a property 23/9/2020.
Late night the Cabinet Secretary for Tourism sent an email to the CEO of the ASSC below is an extract from the email making clear this position which is a change to what the ASSC had previously been advised and conveyed to others the sector the day prior.
“We are so sorry to advise you that following further review of the Scottish Government’s position, our one household restriction for private homes will also apply to self-catering properties when our revised regulations become law on Friday. We realise that this is a change from the information that we were able to give you yesterday, but unfortunately our position has reluctantly had to be updated following further consideration, taking into account key public health considerations, over the course of today”
To re confirm ONLY 1 household is permitted to stay in a self catering property NOT up to 6 persons from 2 households.
Anybody else think Sturgeon is about 2 or 3 bad questions away from sticking the nut on somebody? 😆 Her tone is getting sharper and sharper every time I see her these days!
On a serious note. I actually think it's getting to her. I guess she's unlikely to take a holiday any time soon giving the rising, but I think as soon as she can she needs a break tbh. I think it's getting to her.
Anybody else think Sturgeon is about 2 or 3 bad questions away from sticking the nut on somebody? 😆
Ye can take the lassie fae Dregin!
Understandable that she is needing a break tbh, Bawjaws isn't seen for weeks at a time, but if she did that the opposition up here would be all over her.
She dfoes get a lot of hostile questioning given the press is almost all unionist / anti SNP
given the press is almost all unionist / anti SNP
I don't really think that's true, it's a bit like a Rangers or Celtic fan thinking the media are against their team, it's not really reality.
Every teacher knows.how she feels.
It's a case of "I've just told you.that" followed a stream of "what-iffery"
No beer - I would say the Herald is neutral, the national obviously can see the SNP doing no wrong, the rest of the scots press and all the english press hostile
Sigh...We have also had the "it would be dead useful if everything was on teams." email, and the "could you send anybody who cannot access glow or teams to X please." A quick check suggests colleagues in other schools have had the same. Still; could be worse, I could be a fresher at Abertay.
