No beer – I would say the Herald is neutral, the national obviously can see the SNP doing no wrong, the rest of the scots press and all the english press hostile
I'll take your word for it, haven't bought a paper in years, in terms of press I mean not just print, the media in general.
It's like people saying the refs are biased, nah, they're just incompetent.
Yup.
I would say the Herald is neutral,
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I think you need to have another wee read, I only buy it for a skim of the Scot headlines and to use as a firelighter,
but some of their journos are right wing leaning head nippers.
Puzzle page is quite good,so I save them up and send to my mum
Cheers @franksinatra just saw that on a facebook link!
Looks like I'll need to get my son to come along with me or cancel it altogether.
It’s like people saying the refs are biased, nah, they’re just incompetent.
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Uni Students no longer allowed in pubs In Scotland! Sounds very harsh that and is it even legal to 'discriminate' in such a way?
As far as stopping virus spread it's probably a pretty good idea tbh, although we have repeatedly been told pubs aren't a source of transmission..
^^^^^ agree that the Herald is terrible these days. I used to buy it for the crossword and diary mostly, as well as the neutral reporting. Diary is now pish, crossword is still ok, but the reporting is gammon flavoured. Some of the columnists would give Clarkson a riddie.
Early days obviously, but I've walked through town tonight and last night, and pubs are way quieter, spoons was absolutely dead. Unheard of in Prestwick on a Thursday night.
Maybe folk listening.
I don't understand the confusion. Before the announcement they were told it was ok. After the announcement they were told it wasn't.
Youd have to be a bit dense to think going to a self catering place is any different, come oan tae ****
So does that include bunkhouses where kitchen facilities are shared? Clear as mud.
On the newspapers and to paraphrase the scots papers will treat an announcement from sturgeon like this:
The national " Brilliance from Sturgeon again"
The Scotsman " Sturgeon caught lying again says tory no one has heard of"
The herald " Sturgeon announces policy - doubts remain"
The Record " Sturgeon lying again says Rangers captain"
The Sunday post " Jings crivens help ma boab"
So does that include bunkhouses where kitchen facilities are shared? Clear as mud.
Shared kitchen facilities have been out of use in bunkhouses since this started afaik, certainly were when I was trying to book one in July.
Rooms will be as per the rules.
We've booked an extra place for our bike tour with friends so we don't share accommodation.
I was really surprised how many AirBnB and guest houses are still offering rooms in shared buildings, clearly in breach of the regs.
That said, we've really struggled as a risk benefit assessment suggests it was safer for us to share self catering with one pair of trusted friends who we are spending the days cycling with. They now are at a hotel, basically isolated in a room, now having to have a meal out (around more people) when we are cooking ourselves.
I know the rules are not able to accommodate every nuance, but rules created for numpties having house parties are impacting others.
That all said, I'm still of the view that we're going to be locked down for half term and I'm not going to be going.
Youd have to be a bit dense to think going to a self catering place is any different, come oan tae ****
I'm still on a few Airbnb owners groups from when we were hosts a while back.
The noise about this isn't from people being dense, it's from a self catering industry lobby group on behalf of their members who have seen an avalanche of booking cancellations because of it.
from a self catering industry lobby group on behalf of their members who have seen an avalanche of booking cancellations because of it.
I think, in the same way anyone booking a holiday and 100% expecting it to go ahead would be a bit foolish, taking bookings and expecting them all to go ahead would be a bit daft and for the industry body to say "how can you allow all these cancellations to happen" is very naïve.
it’s from a self catering industry lobby group on behalf of their members
I heard ahead of a lobby group for bar owners in Glasgow claiming no one had done more for alcohol issues in the city than their members.
Lobby group, so it must be true.
That said, we’ve really struggled as a risk benefit assessment suggests it was safer for us to share self catering with one pair of trusted friends who we are spending the days cycling with. They now are at a hotel, basically isolated in a room, now having to have a meal out (around more people) when we are cooking ourselves.
As it's fairly obviously less risk why not just ignore the rules? The chances of getting caught or fined are basically nil.
@Gribs - it is tempting.
However, as said above it is a fortnight's time when half term starts. I am pretty sure we will be in some kind of restricted travel period for that time, and we are two trains to the start, have 7 Calmac Ferries en-route and are out on two islands. I just don't think it will be going ahead - and we have free refunds up until 24hrs before we leave.
I think, in the same way anyone booking a holiday and 100% expecting it to go ahead would be a bit foolish, taking bookings and expecting them all to go ahead would be a bit daft and for the industry body to say “how can you allow all these cancellations to happen” is very naïve.
Yup.
They have a fairly convenient scapegoat though in that the government explicitly said it was fine then 24 hours later said it wasn't, so they can moan about how the government have bungled it and grab the headlines on that basis, but the underlying feeling I see is just that they don't think the rules should apply to them regardless.
The lobbying groups are only fighting for their own interests. Some of the well paid lobbyists are only fighting for their own job. This is all pretty much what you'd expect. Government has a duty to put wider society first. To misquote Greg Lake and Pete Sinfield the government we get we deserve. I'm fairly content that the Scottish Government is doing a very tricky job as well as it can. Oh and don't worry about Christmas Boris was going to rescue it just a few days ago.
The rules changed not just to piss on the chips of one group but for everyone. The day before we were all told one thing the next day we were told something else. We've had this for a while it's not new.
How do they cope with traffic lights, bloody changing all the time.
The lobbying groups are only fighting for their own interests. Some of the well paid lobbyists are only fighting for their own job. This is all pretty much what you’d expect.
Yeah, though I'm surprised at the Airbnb hosts who are of a similar view. Seems they are just ordinary folk letting out a spare room in their flat with no need for regulations when it suits them, but require government support to keep their "business" running when it doesn't.
So... I understand that six mates from six households CAN'T go for a ride together?
British Cyclings says yes, but with social distancing, but Scot Gov says same rules indoor and outdoor e.g. only two households?
british cycling are not understanding the scots rules and the fact they are differnt
Private gardens or public outdoors spaces (from tomorrow, Wednesday 23 September 2020)
A maximum of six people from two households can meet in outdoor spaces
from the scotgov site
Yeah, thought as much TJ. The other guys still seem to be interpeting it a bit differently but I'd rather be seen to be following the rules!
if 6 people just happen to meet somewhere and do not get within 2 m is that breaking the rules? We can all pick holes, look for loopholes, creatively interpret the rules but IMO at least attempting to stick within the rules is a good idea.
Just ride the same distance as you would be from them in a pub.
As I understand it.. If it is an organised club ride, there is a Covid Officer (who has been through the training) and all other restrictions, track and trace, are applied, then it is permitted. 6 mates (from the same club or otherwise) just arranging to go for a ride is not permitted.
if 6 people just happen to meet somewhere and do not get within 2 m is that breaking the rules?
Have a word with the 200 runners who 'happened' to meet last week at Comrie run the same course, have marshalls and spectators, but no official timing, so therefore it wasn't an event. Apparently. Fools.
Was it not the Scottish hill racing champs at comrie?
Yes, but according to one Marshall it was out with all sorts of guidance... He wasn't a happy bunny.
but IMO at least attempting to stick within the rules is a good idea.
Yeah, am too lazy to try and find loopholes, and prefer to retain the right to be sanctimonious about others trying to do so 😀
I remember about a month ago when we had about 10 cases a day in Scotland. 700 today!!
Yikes..
British Cyclings says yes, but with social distancing, but Scot Gov says same rules indoor and outdoor e.g. only two households
You want to check Scottish cycling. That's the guidance that applies to you.
Fwiw despite the rules saying it can happen. Our club has taken the stance that although technically legal. Morally it is wrong to encourage it.
Clubs and groups are reminded that the restrictions on group size must be adhered outwith organised activity - a maximum of 6 people from 2 households. This applies to café stops before, during and after rides.
Scottish Cycling guidance. I read it as saying that unless it's an 'organised' ride e.g. through a club with a Covid coordinator, then 6/2 applies.
Buddies reckon it means that 6/2 only applies when we're not riding e.g. at coffee stops.
Pretty certain mine is the more logical interpretation but I can see where they are coming from...
That is correct.
Ride should be organised with a valid t+t app (we used spond for the one week) and a covid trained leader.
Have a word with the 200 runners who ‘happened’ to meet last week at Comrie run the same course, have marshalls and spectators, but no official timing, so therefore it wasn’t an event. Apparently. Fools.
I'm confused. The Scottish Hill Running Champs did take place last weekend. It didn't just happen, it was a paid entry event with specific Scottish government sanctioned (via SportScotland) covid risk management measures in place. There was timing, there were winners. What is it that you think you saw which makes people participating in an organised, event following government guidance fools? Which bits of guidance did the marshall believe were being ignored, did he raise these with the official covid officer supervising the event, and why was he still marshalling if he was that unhappy?
Pretty certain mine is the more logical interpretation but I can see where they are coming from…
I can't. Unless they have a Covid organiser and a risk assessment it's 6 people, 2 households. Including at cafe stops.
I'd also say taking part in a 200 person event is lunacy, even if it is sanctioned.
I’d also say taking part in a 200 person event is lunacy, even if it is sanctioned
Not really, hel n back hill race was the week before, staggered start, same as Scottish champs, and also really well controlled. There were probably more than 200 people on the hill I was on today, don't see much of a difference tbh, do you?.
God knows why the marshall was moaning, he must've volunteered.
Which bits of guidance did the marshall believe were being ignored, did he raise these with the official covid officer supervising the event, and why was he still marshalling if he was that unhappy?
His view (and I made the mistake of parking at his point, so endured a few minutes of complaint) was that it wasn't actually sanctioned / was informal.
If it was, that changes some things - although I personally would not have taken part in such a large event at present.
Then again, I had 10 kids out on an official youth organisation event last night, same lot again canoeing tomorrow, something I'm becoming uncomfortable with personally.
His view (and I made the mistake of parking at his point, so endured a few minutes of complaint) was that it wasn’t actually sanctioned / was informal.
The guy was talking mince, it was all organised,above board and sanctioned by Scottish Athletics.
