Hope the travel restrictions aren’t severe but I think it will be. Back to no gnar, no far, no cat?
I'm a dog person anyway. 🙂
More seriously I think they'd have a tough time justifying the gnar criteria at least. And the others too in areas with low numbers of cases.
Track and Trace data suggests 2 different transmission causes and therefore fixes.
but the fixes arn't working when you look at the numbers a more local lockdown rather than a broad brush attack
theaccountant
Free MemberOr was it punishment for much of Aberdeenshire not voting SNP? 😂
Not even in jest, there's enough bloody idiots that swallowed that one hook line and sinker
That’s a troll post anyway as Aberdeenshire didn’t have a local lockdown.
😂😂😂 I semi corrected my original comment and changed ‘fat’ to ‘far’ but missed the feline bit.
If they tell me we can’t go 20 miles for a day in the hills, but pubs stay open, quite frankly they can poke it up their arses.
Pretty much this. I've followed the lockdown rules religiously, but if they think I'm going to forfeit doing very low risk activities outside, whilst other people are allowed to get smashed in the boozer, then frankly they can do one.
The tattie holidays are over about three weeks anyway so might be targeted as a circuit breaker. But as said,if they think I'm not going cycling/walking/running/camping during my holidays so they can keep pubs and restaurants open they can poke off.I have had the pleasure of a test this term because of a pub I have never set foot in serving underagers.And can I just wish good luck to officer Dibble finding me in the Angus Glens/ Cairngorms if I don't want to be found.
It's been a rubbish half term, using the break as an easily enforceable lock down period and keeping pubs open but I can't camp in Galloway to decompress is a bit rubbish.
Wonder where Johnson and Cummings are holidaying bet your arse it's not at home.
If they tell me we can’t go 20 miles for a day in the hills, but pubs stay open, quite frankly they can poke it up their arses.
Yup. Everything is just beginning to get back to normal for us so I'll be mightily pissed off if everything gets shut down again whilst the pubs stay open.
While I agree with everyone's frustrations, it's clear from the news that many of the clusters we are starting to see are wilful ignoring of rules when it suits individuals.
I'm therefore going to have to accept, and will do, whatever is announced today.
Even personally we're seeing acquaintances and family not isolate while waiting for test results, others gather for one last ride in a big group, family staying with other family across multiple houses - so never more than 6, but overall 12 people sharing a weekend, parties at student halls with no intervention by security etc etc.
I think nationally there's a weariness to the restrictions plus UK wide a 'Barnard Castle' attitude growing.
Sorry Matt, I disagree.
If the same folk* I see every day walking past my house to go to the pub can drink until 10pm instead of midnight, then I'll be going out doing my thing in our lovely quiet countryside.
* Not youngsters btw
Had a family friend put up a whole spiel on social media about her friend who was born with a heart issue, and how selfish folk we're putting her at risk.
The same friend who she was out drinking champagne in a restaurant with 2 nights previously.
I've played by the rules as much as I can since this shit started, but I'm slowly getting pissed off being lectured to by folk that don't and never have looked after their own health. I'm with P-Jay now tbh.
Mrs is off this morning to do a bank shift covid testing, be interesting to see how it goes.
I hear you nobeerinthrfridge.
I do think there's a significant difference of heading to isolation, genuine isolation, and heading to a busy pub...
Maybe I've always been too compliant...
Family next door to me had a massive party the day before the new house guest rules were announced. Not great, but not illegal.
But ever since then they have constantly had numerous visitors, with cars constantly parked outside. I'm getting a little pissed off with it tbh.
The thing I can't understand is that it's a large multi generational family that lives there. The old boy must be in his 70s, bame ethnicity, doesn't look healthy at all. Ie numerous factors that suggest he's at higher risk than most. Do these people simply not care?
If the same folk* I see every day walking past my house to go to the pub can drink until 10pm instead of midnight, then I’ll be going out doing my thing in our lovely quiet countryside.
This.
It was all wrong opening pubs first to begin with, if they get another free pass they can **** right off. There are other people who can operate safely and actually do something positive for people being ****ed over whilst the pubcos can make some coin.
The document NS refuses to deny exists looks a bit March-with-pubs-open. Thing is; most of us on this thread have followed the rules since March but if you look at the last page, there are a few posts suggesting an unwillingness to follow a new lockdown that certainly seems unfair. So what chance have they of reducing the R rate?
Personally I am concerned about any lockdown over winter. In march I reacted early ( I'm a careworker) and began to self isolate a couple of weeks before lockdown. I had the best of intentions but it was a mistake, after 3 months I was really missing friends and loved ones, and craving real social contact. I was living in a small village, it was great for getting out walking or cycling with little chance of meeting anyone, and the weather was great.
Now I live in Fort William. There will be more people around wherever I go so a bit of a higher risk . I am very reluctant to cut off the limited and sensible social contacts I do have. I don't go to pubs anymore, but one of my buddies does he picks his pubs carefully and only has a couple of pints. It seems to me that there is less risk associated with biking locally, walking or even bivvying than there is in getting drunk at a party or in a pub. People need to take responsibility for their own behaviour and the attendant risks.
From a personal perspective I will be gutted if they close gyms again after having waited ages for them to reopen.
In my local Xercise4less gym most people seem to be abiding by the new rules, but some members aren't.
I've got a week booked in a self catering cottage down in Galloway for the October half term.
I'd honestly be tempted just to go anyway. I've stuck to the rules but watched others just ignore them. Across the road we have a uniform couple - a police office and a fireperson - they ignore the rules more than anyone else nearby.
I feel like a mug sometimes, telling my five year old daughter she can't have friends over in the house even though she sees them at school.
If pubs stay open but they stop me travelling then they can piss off.
while i'm against ignorantly going against the rules - the gov really are ****ign this up - if they consider keeping the pubs and other high risk recreational activities open but saying we cant travel to do the safer recreational activities then they have lost all credibility in my book ..... it just shows its all about the £
If pubs stay open but they stop me travelling then they can piss off
Yep, this nails it for me too.
Agreed!
If the pubs stay open and other activities are curtailed they can beat it!
I hope that Sturgeon does not make new travel restrictions and although I have a bit of fatigue at looking at the detail it seems to me the recent clusters are due to international travel, poor practices in hospitality industry and idiots not following guidance - so if the "evidence based practice" is still being done then thats the areas where more restrictions should come not travel withing Scotland
Well the news is out. Very good speech and what seems proportionate and sensible targeted restrictions with most importantly the rationale for them and an explanation of the fact its all a balancing act.
No travel restriction bar "please do not car share"
I particularly like that children under 12 and 12 - 18 have less restrictions not because they cannot catch it or pass it on but because for them the balance is different
So looking like pub curfews and no meeting people in someone's house are the main rules.
Good to see that the travel restrictions haven't come in.
what seems proportionate and sensible targeted restrictions
Really? I've come away with the notion that the government(s) has given up and isn't taking the issue seriously anymore. So much so, I've basically decided that neither should I and I'll just apply my own sensible restrictions and ignore any guidelines with which I disagree in future. We'll be back to square 1 in a couple of weeks.
Views/opinions please.
I'm due to be walking the West Highland Way with a mate from work.
Starting on the 2nd of October
Staying in B&Bs en route, sharing a room but not a bed.
In light of the new restrictions, I'm assuming this is now out of the question!
Crack on.
Meetings in public indoor settings - such as pubs and restaurants - will continue to be limited to a maximum of six people from two households.
A B&B is surely a public indoor setting.
Ho hum
Free MemberIf the pubs stay open and other activities are curtailed they can beat it!
In Scotland at least, track and trace hasn't shown pubs (following teh rules) to be an issue. The reason being, while it looks like is should be risky, there's rules in place, there's people whose job it is to make you follow them, and there's peer pressure. Doing stuff in your own home or in groups outside would be safer still, if those things applied but in fact getting together in groups of your mates encourages risk taking behavior rather than reduces it.
Basically, this is what track and trace does- lets you base rules and restrictions on evidence rather than on feelings.
So a group could possibly meet in a pub, have quite a few shandies and then all sensibly head home separately at 10pm? Aye right!!! 😆
In Scotland at least, track and trace hasn’t shown pubs (following teh rules) to be an issue. The reason being, while it looks like is should be risky, there’s rules in place, there’s people whose job it is to make you follow them, and there’s peer pressure. Doing stuff in your own home or in groups outside would be safer still, if those things applied but in fact getting together in groups of your mates encourages risk taking behavior rather than reduces it.
I made the mistake of reading the comments on the BBC article. It surprises me how few folk are capable of comprehending what you have accurately described here. Allowing people to meet in a place where there are rules the owners have to be seen to follow or fear being closed and peer pressure to get thing right is provably now better that what people are able to do for themselves in their own homes.
New rules obviously made up by someone completely out of touch. My daughter and her pals don't leave the house until after 10 when heading off to the pub. This measure will just make existing opening times more busy. Thing is, we already know how this works. When pub opening hours were extended they became less busy as folk didn't have a limited time window in which to visit them.
So a group could possibly meet in a pub, have quite a few shandies and then all sensibly head home separately at 10pm? Aye right!!! 😆
Um - yes?
This is a pub not like anything seen before 2020 with table service slowing down the ale production/consumption.
Don't worry, give it two weeks when the schools break up and you'll find the circuit breaker pulled. This is just buying time.
Disagree strongly scotroutes - its about striking a balance between killing the hospitality sector and killing people as she explained. If furlough was going to be available then hopsitality would be closed - and pubs around here are much less busy with no one standing at the bar and most people being outside
This measure will just make existing opening times more busy.
Is that a factor when it comes to risk - pubs will have a finite seated covid capacity. If anything it's a good thing - for the pub to manage to survive it needs to run at max capacity when it is open on the reduced takings they are now making. I'd rather be open and busy at max capacity for limited hours than make the same takings over a longer evening.
Don't see an issue:
In public indoor spaces, where Covid-secure guidelines are observed, six people from two households can gather
B&B's being a 'Covid secure' indoor space, with track and trace etc in place.
I'm off to an AirBnB on Sunday, it's a self contained annex with own kitchen, bathroom, terrace etc so I'll probably only see the owners at the start and finish. Then onto a B&B on my own on Arran.
Cannae wait!! 😀
We were just about to book a break away with wife's sister and dad. That's presumably not happening then.
I particularly like that children under 12 and 12 – 18 have less restrictions not because they cannot catch it or pass it on but because for them the balance is different
Really? Does covid not pass between age groups then?
Um – yes?
This is a pub not like anything seen before 2020 with table service slowing down the ale production/consumption
Erm - no, well not IRL anyway. Young lad here at work as much as admitted that after a few beers at the pub they'd more than likely all head back to somebody's house to continue boozing.
Time will tell though, although I'm expecting a "Told you so!" from NS and tighter restrictions come the tattie holidays.
These new restrictions will do the square root of f-all to slow this epidemic.
Thanks for the responses!
In the same vane as ta11pau1, heading to Lewis to an AirBnB.
Only issue is our daughter and partner are meant to be going as well.
That means 6 in total from 2 separate households.
Don’t worry, give it two weeks when the schools break up and you’ll find the circuit breaker pulled. This is just buying time
I'll go so far as to place a bet on that mini-lockdown being activated.
We too are due in AirBnB in Argyll with two friends from elsewhere - looks like that is kyboshed...Time to book separate accommodation and ride together for three days.
Erm – no, well not IRL anyway. Young lad here at work as much as admitted that after a few beers at the pub they’d more than likely all head back to somebody’s house to continue boozing.
shhh - but that'll probably be ok. It's to stop us old *****ers getting it wrong mainly. But we need to make sure the younguns get it wrong on the down low rather than proper wrong in public.
In Scotland at least, track and trace hasn’t shown pubs (following teh rules) to be an issue.
This could be because track and trace hasn't been working in pubs in Scotland. Something the (Scottish) government have been trying to address, with repeated updates to the guidelines and regulations about what is expected in pubs. Increased compliance and more complete data may tell a different story, once we have more than a few weeks of it.
Whereabouts, giant_scum? I'm in one there now.
We've got an AirBnB booked for October and the grandparents were due to join us. Two households, six people and not in our house. So is that still (technically) allowed or not?
Of course it could all have changed by then, but I'd like to know if we would be breaking the rules if we went tomorrow.
