A line needs to be drawn somewhere and, in this case, it’s a circle of roughly 5 miles radius.
where do you get this 5 mile radius from?
Tell that to Jimmy Krankie, she berated the hell out of the ‘English plan’ and said we’re doing our own thing because the English plan is irresponsible.
Misogyny aside, it's quite different to the English relaxation, as explained above.
There's little difference in the new rules but it's crucially got a period of notice so that workplaces and schools can draw up plans, see what works and pull things back if infections go up or things cannot be implemented. This is a huge difference compared to what Boris did.
I hope Wales follows the Scottish lead on this, preferably after the bank holiday is done.
where do you get this 5 mile radius from?
From when I was watching the announcement on TV and she told us we could only go roughly five miles from the house. It's in the document she published at the same time. Page 39
where do you get this 5 mile radius from?
Scot Gov COVID framework
Page 39: Phase 1 is : "Permitted to travel short distances for outdoor leisure and exercise but advice to stay within a short distance of your local community (broadly within 5 miles) and travel by walk, wheel and cycle where possible. "
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Reported cases only really reflects testing though.
Do you have any current data for the number of tests carried out in each country? I couldn't find anything up to date at all.
If you have to walk or cycle that’s not travelling to exercise, that’s exercising.
Page 42 Sport, culture
and leisure
activities
Unrestricted outdoors
exercise adhering to
distancing measures.
Non-contact, outdoor
activities in your local
areas e.g. golf, hiking,
canoeing, outdoor
swimming, angling.
So hiking and outdoor swimming in and around the suburbs of Aberdeen it is then, hoping that the local neds adhere to the non contact mugging rules
So if you live in England can you drive to Scotland now? What does the actual legislation say?
It’s interesting that it’s being interpreted as “travel up to five miles to start your exercise” rather than “stay within five miles of your house during your exercise”. The latter would be an increase in restrictions rather than a decrease for many.
Also, bear in mind that there aren’t so many roads in bits of Scotland. Staying within five miles of your house is very different in the highlands compared to Glasgow.
So if you live in England can you drive to Scotland now? What does the actual legislation say?
You can drive to the border and then you have to stay within 5 miles of it.
So if you live in England can you drive to Scotland now? What does the actual legislation say?
You can drive to the border and then you have to stay within 5 miles of it.
Yep, pretty straightforward eh? 🙂
Staying within five miles of your house is very different in the highlands compared to Glasgow.
Assuming the majority of people play by the rules, your chances of meeting someone who's in a position to either infect you or enforce those rules is similarly remote.
That's why it says "broadly" and "local area" to allow for a bit of leeway in enforcement.
Of course, nobbers will take advantage of that.
You can drive to the border and then you have to stay within 5 miles of it.
Only if you live right next to the border. It's five miles from your house. Broadly.
Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.
Only in so much as its a gradual lifting - the detail is very different ie stay local not travel where you want to.
I'm guessing the 5 mile thing is for 'leisure journeys'. Plenty will be driving further than that for work. In my new house I'd starve if I could only travel 5 miles - that or chase the local sheep around with a bit of ambition and lust in my eyes.
Also, bear in mind that there aren’t so many roads in bits of Scotland. Staying within five miles of your house is very different in the highlands compared to Glasgow.
As ever, the guidance has been written by people in Edinburgh / Glasgow who don't realise that there is a population outside of cities. 'local area' can have a very different meaning to people in rural locations. I, for example, have been driving 20 - 25 minutes each way every week throughout the 'lockdown' for food because that's where my local supermarkets are. To confuse things even more, the journey includes crossing the border in to England. I consider all of that, and more, my local area.
The miles seems to be advice. Yeah good luck with that.
the miles seems to be advice. Yeah good luck with that.
I for one will not be sticking to that. I'll maintain social distancing and be very sensible and discrete but I am quite definitely going to drive further than that for a decent run in the hills. I'm quite happy to go back to work and face whatever risks there are there but I resent being told simultaneously that I can't engage in my much safer leisure activities.
Yes, it does smack of rules designed in and for the central belt.
I suspect that everyone is going to start driving to exercise on my local hill now, which leaves me in a bit of a dilemma. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't go there at busy times anyway. I'd usually stick the MTB in the car and drive the 30-50 miles to get somewhere remote where I can ride all day without seeing a soul. But that's still not on, so do I join the crowds on my local hill or don my hair shirt and ride round in circles near my house feeling all virtuous?
Very good spin. Ignore the guidance. How responsible
You do understand its about giving a simple message? If everyone does as you do then there is no point in any distancing or any policy to ameliorate this
rover[pig - a bit of imagination? We have been finding stuff to do near our house - mainly walking not cycling but its astonishing what you can find away from the crowds with a bit of imagination
Lucky - thats fine hence the "local area" which as yo rightly say is different in different parts of the country
Very good spin. Ignore the guidance. How responsible
Disapprove away. Your disapproval flows off me like water off a duck's back. My actions will bring no risk to anyone so my conscience is clear.
If everyone was in a position to do and did exactly what I will be doing there will be no issue whatsoever.
Yes, imagination was fun for a couple of weeks, but I guess my imagination is not as great as I thought 🙂
I tell you what TJ, I'll cycle the 30 miles to where I was planning to run and that will make everything OK because I haven't driven and the recommendation is about driving!
Spin - that is not the guidance. The guidance is clear. Stay local "broadly" within 5 miles no matter how you travel.
Your actions do increase risk and why are you so special that the guidence does not apply to you?
its really simple - if everyone ignores the guidance then lockdown will have to be reinstated because infections will rise. If you can drive 30 miles to exercise then why can't everyone?
To be fair to Spin, what the 5 miles is trying to do is stop what is happening down here with the well known tourist hotpots getting deluged. If only those from 5 miles or closer had been allowed to get to Perrenporth beach yesterday for example there would not have been the 500 hundred people all trying to use the beach and a queue 50 long for the toilet. What its is not trying really try to stop is an antisocial sod finding somewhere to be antisocial - that's more of a byproduct.
I think the main thing is if you are going to go rogue in an attempt to be on your lonesome (rather than get to go to a hotspot) you do it with a bit of stealth and you don't pop it on social media (or here).
I write this as someone in the very fortuitous position of having solitude out of my front door and I know how lucky I am.
Your actions do increase risk
How? I live in an area with very low rates of COVID-19, I'd be staying within the NHS/local authority area, I would be going to places I know to be very quiet and in all probability meeting no one and I would not be using any services or interacting with locals.
I think the main thing is if you are going to go rogue in an attempt to be on your lonesome (rather than get to go to a hotspot) you do it with a bit of stealth and you don’t pop it on social media (or here).
That's exactly what I intend to do, I'm just venting a bit at this point! From an access to outdoor activities point of view this 'relaxation' essentially represents a minimum of another 7 weeks of the status quo.
@Spin I get it your heading in the opposite direction to the crowds but so will a lot of people.
I'll bet there's not one person here who isn't tempted and who couldn't build an case for why it's different. But really, is that how it works? We either hope most folk are "sensible" enough to follow broad advice. Or we say **** it, it's not designed specifically for me because I'm different so I'm doing what I want.
Good point @convert I've pretty much stuck to the rules so far, but still have Strava set to private. I'll make my own decisions about what to do next and listen to all sides of the argument, but will refrain from talking about specifics I think.
Welsh version is here:
https://gov.wales/unlocking-our-society-and-economy-continuing-conversation
Came out a week ago and everyone ignored it
Nothing changes till next week.
Stay home, stay safe, don’t be a dick is still the message in Scotland.
Oh and teachers are working very hard if my kids schools are anything to go by.
It's like nobody has read the actual guidance. Oh wait, it's STW, of course they ****ing haven't.
If you had bothered you would see they recognise there are geographical differences and there will not be a one size fits all approach. It's all there in the very easy to read and understand PDF.
5 miles radius seems a bit crap but then they've never defined 'local area'. As for being in a low infection area, that's great until you're the one that dragged it back with you through some unforseen event.
All seems quite sensible. Remains to be seen though if the general population shares the same trait. Potentially another 7 weeks to wait before putting the bike in car to take to decent trails.
A few of the fitters at work are members of GCs in excess of 5 miles away, not a cats chance in hell they'll stay away.
And f knows how they'll distance at the clubhouse, tee off times were a rabble pre CV.
I’ll bet there’s not one person here who isn’t tempted and who couldn’t build an case for why it’s different.
Yup
My usual cycle routes are now all filled with people wobbling about on BSOs and walkers so I can no longer do any meaningful off road cycling anywhere near me. I also do not drive so I should be allowed to ride 20 miles away from home to allow me to ride offroad properly
I am also working in healthcare so nothing I do outside of work is as dangerous as being at work and I need this for my mental health
Or I could just suck it up of course!
. I also do not drive so I should be allowed to ride 20 miles away from home to allow me to ride offroad properly
There's been folk riding 50, 100 milers locally since lockdown began, and it was seen as being within the restrictions on the exercise thread on here - no hour limit, yer not driving anywhere, were amongst the cries.
Fast forward few weeks, restrictions are eased, but interpreting the guidance today, we should only walk or cycles 5 miles from our house to get to where we wish exercise.
Now, unless I've missed something, there's no restriction on how far you go from there, is there?.
So TJ, I see no issue with you cycling from Leith and riding the Pentlands?.
not by my reading of it No beer
I think you're limiting yourself needlessly. There's nothing in the recommendations to suggest riding to then in the Pentlands would be unacceptable.
I have been riding from the Southside and up into the Pentlands already.
It's fine and noone is going to give you hassle about it (in the real world anyway, maybe nit-picking on here).
My main question has been raised above – when it refers to socialising with one other household, is it the same household you have to socialise with every time, or can you socialise with different households, one at a time?
Different households one at a time. Was clarified in question to Sturgeon on the news last night https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1263536058932879360?s=09
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The thing I don’t see mentioned in this thread so far is that in the first phase the travel for exercise is described as:Permitted to travel short distances for outdoor leisure and exercise but advice to stay within a short distance of your local community (broadly within 5 miles) and travel by walk, wheel and cycle where possible.
That's pretty much what's been happening where I am since the start, everyone from the big town 5 miles away driving down to the coast to get away from the hordes. (And taking the hordes with them).
The 5 mile guide now is just that, a guide, and may vary depending on your area (one of the questions NS was asked), so being open to interpretation i imagine a lot of folk will just go where they like
I was interested in comments made by the FM on the role of the police. They seemed to suggest that Scotland would move away from enforcement and more towards guidance with people being allowed to make their own decisions based on local circumstances. More the Swedish model I guess. No idea if that would work in Scotland and it does still mean endless arguments online about what counts as reasonable, but I’ll be interested to see if that’s where we go.
I was interested in comments made by the FM on the role of the police. They seemed to suggest that Scotland would move away from enforcement and more towards guidance with people being allowed to make their own decisions based on local circumstances
Which has pretty much been the case so far.
