https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52745643
Teachers back to work in June with pupils having phased return with a mix of online/in class work.
Can meet other people from other households keeping social distancing.
In addition, people will be able to travel - preferably by walking or cycling - for recreation, although they will be asked to remain "where possible" within or close to their own local area.
Excellent news. Plenty of time for teachers to plan and get things organised for a part time return to classes after the summer hol's.
Sounds very familiar.
In addition, people will be able to travel – preferably by walking or cycling – for recreation, although they will be asked to remain “where possible” within or close to their own local area.
Doesn’t sound particularly enforceable.
Game on.
Hopefully Wales will follow suit shortly, our Schools are in-line with English schools in terms of terms and they're "hoping" to have some back this year.
“small groups” could do with a bit of refining
Oh, and I could rreeeaaalllyyy do with seeing some info about nurseries
Sounds very familiar.
Aye, just coming into line a couple of weeks after England, as predicted. Golf being allowed again will put a lot more people onto the shared paths around here, as the courses have been choc full of doggos recently.
Edit - are Greggs open in England?
Sounds very familiar.
Thankfully, this isn't a contest and seems to be the way things are happening everywhere to reduce lockdown...
But the English one was criticised about a week ago. Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.
Teachers back to work in June
I wonder what that means. Teachers have been working but teaching/ setting/ marking and communication from home. I wonder if it actually means back working on site.
But the English one was criticised about a week ago. Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.
Big difference is kids (apart from key worker kids) are not going into school until August in Scotland rather than from 1st June in England.
robbo1234biking
SubscriberBut the English one was criticised about a week ago. Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.
The english one was largely criticised for being confusing, and being too early. Scotland doesn't seem to have the huge amount of the virus in the population as England does, so it might work out different. We'll see I guess, still seems quick to me.
11th August for pupils - and on a part-time basis.
And that's only on the basis that each Phase of lockdown lifting goes ahead supported by ongoing reductions in cases.
Doesn’t sound particularly enforceable.
No, but they are banking on some people breaking it but most people doing what they're asked.
“small groups” could do with a bit of refining
Phase 1 is one other household, outdoors only, still distancing.
It said school kids transitioning - from nursery to P1 and from primary to secondary - would be prioritised. Thank Christ - someone else can have a shot at looking after my daughter (due to go to school in August)!
It would appear that magic tennis balls are also available in Scotland.
Phase 1 is one other household, still distancing.
But also “in small groups” so big families can/can’t meet up? Don’t think it’ll affect me but it’s still vague
No, but they are banking on some people breaking it but most people doing what they’re asked.
She also stated that “rule #1 still applies”
It would appear that magic tennis balls are also available in Scotland.
Not like those evil gates in Englandshire....
Sounds very familiar.
Apart from the very different timescale, the fact that they have committed to allow industries to have time to plan ahead (e.g. under this phase construction can plan and organise without full opening of sites, schools can allow teacher back on site for preparation etc) and the fact that Nicola ended with a nice gentle version of 'dinnae be breaking Rule No.1, or I'll wind the lot of ye back in.'
Thank Christ – someone else can have a shot at looking after my daughter (due to go to school in August)!
mrs_oab is next to me planning EY transitions into school for her LA....
But the English one was criticised about a week ago. Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.
The English one was largely criticised for being confusing, and being too early. Scotland doesn’t seem to have the huge amount of the virus in the population as England does, so it might work out different. We’ll see I guess, still seems quick to me.
As I understand it, Wales and Scotland have a different set of Challenges to England. Because of our sparser Populations the Virus didn't spread as far or wide. You could argue that lock-down came too late for England, but not for us.
The challenge here is similar to the one New Zealand faced, it's possible, even with people travelling for work from others parts of the UK etc that we may eradicate the Virus, but unlike NZ if we lifted the Lock-down here, there would be a sudden influx of People from denser populated parts of the UK causing a local second-wave (you might even argue a first wave)
By waiting a few weeks for things to come more under control in England (and dodging 2 BH weekends). Makes that less likely.
Also, lets be Honest, if you were part of the SNP in Scotland, or Labour in Wales any opportunity to show the Tories in England to be reckless and more concerned about Money than People wouldn't be wasted.
Northwind
Scotland doesn’t seem to have the huge amount of the virus in the population as England does, so it might work out different. We’ll see I guess, still seems quick to me.
Seems like most the UK is about the same and Wales for whatever reason is higher.
Cases
England 260/100,000
Scotland 271/100,000
Wales 404/100,000
NI 245/100,000That's according to the NY Times
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/united-kingdom-coronavirus-cases.html#states
lockdown came too late for us as well. No doubt but hindsight is 20/20 We have had at least as high infection rates as England have we not?
From what I have seen folk are sticking to the rules / applying them sensibly here by and large - compared to what I have heard of in England
Seems to me like this roadmap is reasonably clear and thus hopefully easier to stick to
Sounds very familiar.
...apart from the addition of a weeks notice and the 48 page explanatory pamphlet explaining the detail of what she just said.
But also “in small groups”
Ah- this bit?
Massive difference is scotland can't go travel wherever they want for excercise. have to stay in own local area. as well as this there are extremely clear rules and timeframes for each step and announced well in advance. I dont think its that 'similar' in this regard
@scotroutes
Page 39 under "Seeing family and friends"
More outdoor activity permitted – such as being able to sit in the park, as long as physically distanced.
Meeting up with another household outdoors, in small numbers, including in gardens, but with physical distancing required
Doesn't say whether it's 1 other household or 1 other household at a time though.
The thing I don't see mentioned in this thread so far is that in the first phase the travel for exercise is described as:
Permitted to travel short distances for outdoor leisure and exercise but advice to stay within a short distance of your local community (broadly within 5 miles) and travel by walk, wheel and cycle where possible.
So massively more restricted than England.
So massively more restricted than England.
It's almost like it's a well thought out easing of the restrictions, rather than a free for all...
It’s almost like it’s a well thought out easing of the restrictions, rather than a free for all…
I think there's quite a lot of room between the travel free for all in England and stay within 5 miles of your house for another 7 weeks minimum in Scotland. It's not really a relaxation at all.
so its OK to drive 30 miles to hit a wee white ball but not to drive 30miles and cycle somewhere
Seems like most the UK is about the same and Wales for whatever reason is higher.
Cases
England 260/100,000
Scotland 271/100,000
Wales 404/100,000
NI 245/100,000
Reported cases only really reflects testing though.
That link also included per capita deaths:
DEATHS PER 100,000
England
57
Scotland
40
Wales
39
Northern Ireland
27
I'm personally happy with taking a slightly more cautious approach
It would appear that magic tennis balls are also available in Scotland.
Thankfully, this isn’t a contest and seems to be the way things are happening everywhere to reduce lockdown…
Tell that to Jimmy Krankie, she berated the hell out of the 'English plan' and said we're doing our own thing because the English plan is irresponsible.
Then caves and realises it wasn't such a bad plan and the best thing to do is align them because its better for the public and the science advise is the same received for all 4 nations (SAGE advises them all).
Seems like most the UK is about the same and Wales for whatever reason is higher.
'We' had been told it was because we were so hot on Testing here in Wales... certainly at the start it looked as if Newport was a huge hot spot of Covid, but it proved not to be the case, we just tested more there.
Looking at the data now though, it seems the 'Deaths by 100k' figure is pretty high in Wales too.
Massive differences per region though, some of the more remote places have very low figures.
so its OK to drive 30 miles to hit a wee white ball but not to drive 30miles and cycle somewhere
I'd be astonished if at least 90% of the population of Scotland didn't live within 5 miles of a golf course.
Where did you get 30 miles from?
It's all being done fantastically better in Scotland obvs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-52747041
I don't think anyone is really listening. Once England's rules relaxed that was it as far as Scotland was concerned from what I could see.
next door is a member at Aboyne golf club 29.4 miles from house to GC. Therefore can I drive to Aboyne and ride there?
Tell that to Jimmy Krankie, she berated the hell out of the ‘English plan’ and said we’re doing our own thing because the English plan is irresponsible.
Phase one isn't much different what we actually have the now. That is totally different to what England have done.
p.s. really mature calling the first minister Jimmy Krankie.
next door is a member at Aboyne golf club 29.4 miles from house to GC. Therefore can I drive to Aboyne and ride there?
Therefore he can't drive to play there would be the inference i would have taken.
If I was a member at Augusta National then it wouldn't be OK for me to get on the next plane to Georgia, would it?
A line needs to be drawn somewhere and, in this case, it's a circle of roughly 5 miles radius.
Larry_Lamb
Tell that to Jimmy Krankie, she berated the hell out of the ‘English plan’ and said we’re doing our own thing because the English plan is irresponsible.Then caves and realises it wasn’t such a bad plan
Any idea how pathetic that opening remark makes you appear?
The point is that Scotland (and Wales) had no alternative but to follow the English "plan" because we cannot close our borders. Otherwise you may have seen a very different approach.
The WHO have a very different assessment of the First Minister's strategy than your Daily Excrescence newspaper.
I'm already getting quizzed at work about what the '5 mile' guidance really means.
Nicola did say that further guidance will be given in the next week before the 28th and that the 28th did depend on numbers continuing to reduce.
Certainly the 'take on the street' here and the press seems to be you can now drive up to 5 miles to take your exercise. Though she obviously was saying she'd prefer you to still stay local and cycle and walk, and also to minimise time outside. I'm expecting many people to take it as I will drive 'my 5 miles' to fish, golf, walk etc.
It sounded reasonable to me - a more measured, cautious adaptation of the English plan with the continued (very sensible) lockdown on construction until a proper plan can be developed.
My main question has been raised above - when it refers to socialising with one other household, is it the same household you have to socialise with every time, or can you socialise with different households, one at a time?
Sensible guidance on the travelling to excercise - it stops everyone in Glasgow rushing up to Loch Lomond the weekend after next.
Greggs open in England?
No but the factory has been doing test run in preparation.
But the English one was criticised about a week ago. Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.
Yes it was and now it seems in Scotland it’s fine because they’re giving a bit notice.
next door is a member at Aboyne golf club 29.4 miles from house to GC. Therefore can I drive to Aboyne and ride there?
Please keep off Aboyne golf course. Some of us are running through there...
Yes it was and now it seems in Scotland it’s fine because they’re giving a bit notice.
It's being done differently though. A gradual relaxation of the rules, rather than England's "you can drive wherever you want to do whatever you want".
