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Apparently I'm being paranoid but colleague in office "smokes" one occassionally. I know there hasn't been any tests carried out as yet? I don't want to get hooked on any Nicotine vapour?
Signed, paranoid (stop looking at me) hora
It can make you paranoid apparently 😉
It's about as dangerous as inhaling steam from a kettle!
A discarded one gave a friend of mine a flat tire on his motorbike recently...
Does he hold it delicately in his hand, toying with it and keep putting it in his mouth and sucking it? He fancies you.
do you have any proof of that woody? link maybe?
There was a +200 post thread on this subject a while ago 😉 Did nobody tell you? Are people avoiding you? ......
Linky??
Who you calling paranoid??? STOP TALKING ABOUT ME!!!!
That would be pretty dangerous Woody, inhaling something in the region of 100 degrees plus wont be nice.
My friends GF is a GP, shes been to a couple of talks about them, and they still have the carcinogens that cause cancer, and the nicotine still keeps you addicted, there's just not the tar content. Not sure about the passive health risks though. I would of thought you'd be fine.
They're treated the same as normal cigarettes in our office - ie you can only smoke them in the smoking shelter.
[i]you can only smoke them in the smoking shelter.[/i]
I like that - so even people giving up smoking can stink like an ashtray 🙂
This looks like its worth a read (for someone who is interested, ie. not me)
biggest risk is fire from the cheap ones...a colleagues efag set fire to the office.......
as the charger hadn't been Pat tested for use at work and the incident cost over a 100k... that person isn't with us any more.....
[i]“I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your ****in' mouth.”[/i]
A colleague of mine had his blow up too.
I think I remember the EU or WHO trying to ban them because they're not regulated so you could be inhaling anything.
That would be pretty dangerous Woody, inhaling something in the region of 100 degrees plus wont be nice. - See more at: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/e-cigs-any-passive-health-issues#post-5535854
I assumed Hora wasn't THAT close but he doesn't say if its a male or female colleague, so you might have a point !
Real or e-cigs, you seem to have forgotten the first rule of smoking......
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Real or e-cigs, you seem to have forgotten the first rule of smoking.....
I'm an addict but I'm completely in denial and want to pretend that I'm a head-strong person of my own? 😉
You should get an E-Bike, it might stop your serial bike swapping..
....and they still have the carcinogens that cause cancer
Which ones are those then ??
And in what amounts.
I think they need to do a bit more research
Which ones are those then ??And in what amounts.
I think they need to do a bit more research
Exactly but better we treat them as suspect carcinogens until its proven or not.
Exactly but better we treat them as suspect carcinogens until its proven or not.
The independent research has already been done
I meant your friend of a friends girlfriend should do some more research, (or you should before repeating what they say ?)
....and they still have the carcinogens that cause cancer
But they are balanced out by the carcinogens that don't cause cancer.
Exactly but better we treat them as suspect carcinogens until its proven or not.
On that basis, wouldn't that apply to absolutely everything?
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BAN EVERYTHING!!!!!! QUICK!!!!!!!! [/b]
Are there any health implications of using one first hand? I need a new hobby.
But they are balanced out by the carcinogens that don't cause cancer.
Yeah, if only they had thought to use that type of carcinogen in proper cigarettes eh 😉
Would have so much better 
It shows how feeble they are at least.
If you are giving up, give up. Stop being so weak.
If you are giving up, give up. Stop being so weak.
You should have stayed for the full hour of your "learn addiction counselling" course.
People smoke because they enjoy it. Only reason to give up is the health implications. So plenty people will stay on the ecigs indefinitely.ScottChegg - Member
It shows how feeble they are at least.If you are giving up, give up. Stop being so weak.
plenty people will stay on the ecigs indefinitely.
Yup, don't see any reason why not.
I've been on the e-cigs and off the real cigarettes for just short of five years.
They're treated the same as normal cigarettes in our office - ie you can only smoke them in the smoking shelter.
I wish this was the norm everywhere tbh.
For potential heath issues, which may be proven to not exist, I've not done any research.
Primarily though so e-cig's aren't normalised and picked up by kids.
I'm all for free choice (So long as that doesn't directly affect others e.g. passive smoking in enclosed public places) but that level of ostracization of smokers and hopefully ECigs might help keep some kids from starting.
I can't imagine many smokers actually wanting to encourage their kids to start either, and if they're normalised into society that can happen much easier IMHO.
you can actually smoke ecigs without anybody noticing you are doing it btw. take a smoke, then take another breath of fresh air before you inhale and no vapour comes out.
The independent research has already been doneI meant your friend of a friends girlfriend should do some more research, (or you should before repeating what they say ?)
Maybe you should read it again:
My friends GF is a [b]GP[/b], shes [b]been to a couple of talks about them[/b], and they [b]still have the carcinogens that cause cancer[/b], and the nicotine still keeps you addicted, there's just not the tar content. Not sure about the passive health risks though. I would of thought you'd be fine.
Although, more research does need to be done.
Maybe you should read it again:
No. I read it just fine thanks.
They are referring to the FDA tests I would imagine.
The ones that showed that there were less carcinogens in E-cigs than there are in nicotine gum, and patches.
Amounts so small they cannot be accurately measured.
So to say they contain carcinogens is technically correct, but not to quantify what that means disingenuous to say the least.
Oh well, don't I feel sheepish, here's me thinking "why would a doctor lie to me?" (except to spare my feelings of course) I bow down to your knowledge and humbly beg your forgiveness.
That's fine. Maybe the talk they attended was biased ?
Maybe they weren't listening properly ?
Who knows ?
Maybe they simply ignored the research as it didn't deliver the answers they wanted? 😉
Those pesky doctors, always trying to tell you what they think is wrong, not what you [i]know[/i] is wrong. 😉
I gave up smoking over 10 years ago, but last year I did have a try on an ecig at the works xmas party, it was alright, i might have another go if I fancy it again.
I think its shameful that the anti smoking brigade are continuing to bully people, who are meeting them more than halfway by switching to a relatively benign method of taking their nicoteen.
that is all it is.the anti smoking brigade are continuing to bully people
Sweepy we are only jealous.
dabble most GP's are just as bad as the rest of us. They are only human.
I suspect the tobacco industry would be quite active in lobbying against ecigs, they look to be the biggest danger to their empires they have faced.
And it's not like the tobacco industry would ever stoop to misleading research and pushing false information. Doctors can be just as naive as anybody else when schmoosed at conferences and fed misleading information.
+1 and theres taxation opportunities. So I imagine E-Cigs will be banned then 'approved' along with sudden heaps of tax added...
The biggest Tobacco company in America also make and sell E-Cigs.
Most of the big tobacco companies have invested or have interests in the E-cig market now.
Have been an e-cig user for about 2 years now and not smoked an "analogue" since.
I only buy e-liquid from reputable UK suppliers who show traceability and quality of the ingredients they use (unlike Chinese factories who may well not use food grade ingredients, clean room preparation ect)
The research will take time and will most likely result in weighted opinions rather than plain facts, the reason being is that the anti smoking health groups are largely funded by the Pharmas and they don't want e-gics ruining their patches, gums, sprays market. The other side of this is the big tobacco companies and their lobbying power at goverment level to continue to allow cigarettes to be sold (and treasuries to reap the tax revenues).
A great, unpatented, open source invention, that gives nicotine users a safe(r) way to enjoy their fix, just like coffee or alcohol, in moderation, doesn't stand a chance against these industrial giants
I suspect the tobacco industry would be quite active in lobbying against ecigs, they look to be the biggest danger to their empires they have faced.
I suspect it's more the NRT companies that'll have a vested interest in lobbying against Ecigs.
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Seeing as the main reason for using an e-cig is for the Nicotine, It can be said that nicotine is a factor on cancer and is a toxic nerve agent with a reasonably low LD50. I would think it would be good enough for any H+S risk assessment that reducing exposure to in the work place would be a reasonably practicable step to take to remove the risk to the Work force.
Oh well, don't I feel sheepish, here's me thinking "why would a doctor lie to me?"
My ex worked for many pharma companies and it was something of an eye-opener on many levels. Let's just say, pharma co's can be rather economical with the truth and [i]some[/i] doctors have a certain standard of living to maintain!
Cigars smell lovely.
Pipes smell lovely.
Dope smells lovely.
I could never figure out why ciggies smell so utterly revolting. If the tobacco manufacturers prettied up the smell I'm sure we would not be so anti.
I'm a big fan of e-cigs. After 15 years of smoking with a few failed attempts to stop I gave the e-cigs a try at the beginning of the year, used them for 6 weeks or so, then stopped altogether.
As for sending people out with the smokers... That's petty and likely to make a possible non smoker remain a smoker. The hardest thing for me was habit and that included trigger points. I imagine getting sent to a smoking shed with an e-cig isn't going to help any one trying to stop.
Not sure about health issues but I think Ecigs are just dummies for adults really.
You resurrected an 11 month old thread to answer the question with [b] "I don't know"[/b]
How odd 🙂
You resurrected an 11 month old thread to answer the question with "I don't know"How odd
Thread was resurrected by a spambot, which has since been removed.
Good timing though, I was just reading this.
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/studies-reveal-health-risks-e-cigarettes
Theyre banned from buildings at my work MoD only the nicotine inhalers are allowed in doors.
What is the passive risk associated with water vapour?
all of this research must be expensive, I wonder who is paying for it? 😉
What is the passive risk associated with water vapour?
I think even the most pro standpoint still needs to acknowledge there are other things than water in there.
What is the passive risk associated with water vapour?
Drowning?
There's a guy at work who has taken up smoking E-cigs, never having smoked before. He now pops out every couple of hours for a few puffs in the rain outside the office....
Reading the IFL science link (the telegraph and science just don't add up). Sounds like the levels of formaldehyde could well be harmful to the smoker but not too bad passively, though its certainly not just water vapour.
Me and the Mrs were in the local the other night and four selfish twunts spent all night vaping to their hearts content, i don't know which was worse, listening to two hours of talk about vaping or the crap coming off em.
We both had sore throats for 3-4 days after.
Smokers and vapers don't care about their own health, why would they give a flying f*** about anyone else.
We both had sore throats for 3-4 days after.
I doubt very much there was a connection.
Smokers and vapers don't care about their own health, why would they give a flying f*** about anyone else.
I have up smoking because I care about my health.
I care about other people's health too.
(Although if you are going to generalise so broadly, and have that attitude towards me, I'm not sure I care about yours too much)
Yes, 3-4 days, sore throats caused by the vaping, its a FACT.
Yes, 3-4 days, sore throats caused by the vaping, its a FACT.
No its not...
I was flying this week and Singapore Airlines now include in the previous flight talk that e-fags are also not allowed. Stood near a couple puffing away on some various flavoured solutions in them, still blowing the remnants of that I to other people's clean air. So for me it's not indoors and not around kids.
If you can smell it then it's not [i]only[/i] water vapour.
Yes, 3-4 days, sore throats caused by the vaping, its a FACT.
It's not a fact. Not even close.
There was some people vaping in the pub. That's a fact.
You had a sore throat some time after. That's a fact.
The two facts above are not necessarily related. That's also a fact.
The two facts above are not necessarily related. That's also a fact.
More a hypothesis since you can't prove it either way....
For years we were forced to be poisoned by smokers filthy tobacco filled air at work, in the pubs, shops and restaurants. Finally common sense prevailed and it was banned for the good of all. Best ban this one now before they find too late it's doing harm to others too. PIss off outside with your vapours we don't want to inhale them.
Go buy the current New Scientist - great review of scientific literature on e-cigs - make your decision based on what is known. Nicotine itself is interesting as it may not even be addictive and has some health benefits...
Read it, it's well researched!
Doctors can be just as naive as anybody else when schmoosed at conferences and fed misleading information.
as naive as anybody else [i]who is a medical practitioner.[/i]
as naive as anybody else who is a medical practitioner.
Which in some cases is pretty naive.
http://www.facultyofhomeopathy.org/about-us/referring-patients/
It's well known on here that I use and sell them....
I never claim, nor try to promote the premise that they are safe, as no-one really knows for sure yet. However, as an ex-smoker, I do know that smoking made me feel like crap - as does too much booze, crap food, class A drugs etc. - generally, your body will let you know when things that aren't good for you. Personally, I don't feel any adverse effects from using e-cigs. Obviously that doesn't mean it's doing me no harm whatsoever - but maybe it's not really worth getting in a flap about...
I'd be more worried about all the diesel fumes you breathe in to be honest. BAN CARS NOW!!!!
What is the passive risk associated with water vapour?
Legionella pneumophila
and motorway pile-ups
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We both left the pub early because it was affecting our throats, so contrary to opinion on here, it gave us both a sore throat for 3-4 days, so for the people who will argue night is day etc, that is a FACT.
generally, your body will let you know when things that aren't good for you. Personally, I don't feel any adverse effects from using e-cigs. Obviously that doesn't mean it's doing me no harm whatsoever - but maybe it's not really worth getting in a flap about...
Sounds familiar.
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