The biggest Tobacco company in America also make and sell E-Cigs.
Most of the big tobacco companies have invested or have interests in the E-cig market now.
Have been an e-cig user for about 2 years now and not smoked an "analogue" since.
I only buy e-liquid from reputable UK suppliers who show traceability and quality of the ingredients they use (unlike Chinese factories who may well not use food grade ingredients, clean room preparation ect)
The research will take time and will most likely result in weighted opinions rather than plain facts, the reason being is that the anti smoking health groups are largely funded by the Pharmas and they don't want e-gics ruining their patches, gums, sprays market. The other side of this is the big tobacco companies and their lobbying power at goverment level to continue to allow cigarettes to be sold (and treasuries to reap the tax revenues).
A great, unpatented, open source invention, that gives nicotine users a safe(r) way to enjoy their fix, just like coffee or alcohol, in moderation, doesn't stand a chance against these industrial giants
I suspect the tobacco industry would be quite active in lobbying against ecigs, they look to be the biggest danger to their empires they have faced.
I suspect it's more the NRT companies that'll have a vested interest in lobbying against Ecigs.
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Seeing as the main reason for using an e-cig is for the Nicotine, It can be said that nicotine is a factor on cancer and is a toxic nerve agent with a reasonably low LD50. I would think it would be good enough for any H+S risk assessment that reducing exposure to in the work place would be a reasonably practicable step to take to remove the risk to the Work force.
Oh well, don't I feel sheepish, here's me thinking "why would a doctor lie to me?"
My ex worked for many pharma companies and it was something of an eye-opener on many levels. Let's just say, pharma co's can be rather economical with the truth and [i]some[/i] doctors have a certain standard of living to maintain!
Cigars smell lovely.
Pipes smell lovely.
Dope smells lovely.
I could never figure out why ciggies smell so utterly revolting. If the tobacco manufacturers prettied up the smell I'm sure we would not be so anti.
I'm a big fan of e-cigs. After 15 years of smoking with a few failed attempts to stop I gave the e-cigs a try at the beginning of the year, used them for 6 weeks or so, then stopped altogether.
As for sending people out with the smokers... That's petty and likely to make a possible non smoker remain a smoker. The hardest thing for me was habit and that included trigger points. I imagine getting sent to a smoking shed with an e-cig isn't going to help any one trying to stop.
Not sure about health issues but I think Ecigs are just dummies for adults really.
You resurrected an 11 month old thread to answer the question with [b] "I don't know"[/b]
How odd 🙂
You resurrected an 11 month old thread to answer the question with "I don't know"How odd
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Good timing though, I was just reading this.
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/studies-reveal-health-risks-e-cigarettes
Theyre banned from buildings at my work MoD only the nicotine inhalers are allowed in doors.
What is the passive risk associated with water vapour?
all of this research must be expensive, I wonder who is paying for it? 😉
What is the passive risk associated with water vapour?
I think even the most pro standpoint still needs to acknowledge there are other things than water in there.
What is the passive risk associated with water vapour?
Drowning?
There's a guy at work who has taken up smoking E-cigs, never having smoked before. He now pops out every couple of hours for a few puffs in the rain outside the office....
Reading the IFL science link (the telegraph and science just don't add up). Sounds like the levels of formaldehyde could well be harmful to the smoker but not too bad passively, though its certainly not just water vapour.
Me and the Mrs were in the local the other night and four selfish twunts spent all night vaping to their hearts content, i don't know which was worse, listening to two hours of talk about vaping or the crap coming off em.
We both had sore throats for 3-4 days after.
Smokers and vapers don't care about their own health, why would they give a flying f*** about anyone else.
We both had sore throats for 3-4 days after.
I doubt very much there was a connection.
Smokers and vapers don't care about their own health, why would they give a flying f*** about anyone else.
I have up smoking because I care about my health.
I care about other people's health too.
(Although if you are going to generalise so broadly, and have that attitude towards me, I'm not sure I care about yours too much)
Yes, 3-4 days, sore throats caused by the vaping, its a FACT.
Yes, 3-4 days, sore throats caused by the vaping, its a FACT.
No its not...
I was flying this week and Singapore Airlines now include in the previous flight talk that e-fags are also not allowed. Stood near a couple puffing away on some various flavoured solutions in them, still blowing the remnants of that I to other people's clean air. So for me it's not indoors and not around kids.
If you can smell it then it's not [i]only[/i] water vapour.
Yes, 3-4 days, sore throats caused by the vaping, its a FACT.
It's not a fact. Not even close.
There was some people vaping in the pub. That's a fact.
You had a sore throat some time after. That's a fact.
The two facts above are not necessarily related. That's also a fact.
The two facts above are not necessarily related. That's also a fact.
More a hypothesis since you can't prove it either way....
For years we were forced to be poisoned by smokers filthy tobacco filled air at work, in the pubs, shops and restaurants. Finally common sense prevailed and it was banned for the good of all. Best ban this one now before they find too late it's doing harm to others too. PIss off outside with your vapours we don't want to inhale them.
Go buy the current New Scientist - great review of scientific literature on e-cigs - make your decision based on what is known. Nicotine itself is interesting as it may not even be addictive and has some health benefits...
Read it, it's well researched!
Doctors can be just as naive as anybody else when schmoosed at conferences and fed misleading information.
as naive as anybody else [i]who is a medical practitioner.[/i]
as naive as anybody else who is a medical practitioner.
Which in some cases is pretty naive.
http://www.facultyofhomeopathy.org/about-us/referring-patients/
It's well known on here that I use and sell them....
I never claim, nor try to promote the premise that they are safe, as no-one really knows for sure yet. However, as an ex-smoker, I do know that smoking made me feel like crap - as does too much booze, crap food, class A drugs etc. - generally, your body will let you know when things that aren't good for you. Personally, I don't feel any adverse effects from using e-cigs. Obviously that doesn't mean it's doing me no harm whatsoever - but maybe it's not really worth getting in a flap about...
I'd be more worried about all the diesel fumes you breathe in to be honest. BAN CARS NOW!!!!
What is the passive risk associated with water vapour?
Legionella pneumophila
and motorway pile-ups
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We both left the pub early because it was affecting our throats, so contrary to opinion on here, it gave us both a sore throat for 3-4 days, so for the people who will argue night is day etc, that is a FACT.
generally, your body will let you know when things that aren't good for you. Personally, I don't feel any adverse effects from using e-cigs. Obviously that doesn't mean it's doing me no harm whatsoever - but maybe it's not really worth getting in a flap about...
Sounds familiar.
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For years we were forced to be poisoned by smokers filthy tobacco filled air at work, in the pubs, shops and restaurants. Finally common sense prevailed and it was banned for the good of all. Best ban this one now before they find too late it's doing harm to others too. PIss off outside with your vapours we don't want to inhale them.
You've just reminded me of when the smoking ban came in. I remember going to the pub on the frost day, and inhaling the smell of staleness, spilt beer, maybe some sick, the strong smell of urine near the toilets, and thinking 'wow, what a massive improvement' and it was.
I got ebola once from looking at a cigarette butt.. FACT
I'm more concerned by car fumes than I am passive smoking/vaping
I'm more concerned by car fumes than I am passive smoking/vaping
It's not a mutually exclusive thing, you can be concerned about more than one.
What drac says in the few comments above +1
..and i wouldnt want to visit piemonsters local!
The Lescars Hotel, Sheffield on a Sunday lunchtime pint or two.
😀 not sure where "frost day" came from, that should be 'first day'
Yeah, ok drac fair point..
What I really mean is this is a daft thing to worry about, it's just a really poor excuse to try and lord it up over other humans..
If we wanted to worry about our health in a realistic manner, wouldn't it probably be more beneficial to try to address the psychological issue that drives us to concern ourselves with others actions to this sort of degree?
thinking 'wow, what a massive improvement' and it was.
Where as I thought wow, I don't need to wash every item of clothing as it no longer smells of fags and I can actually breath the air. What a massive improvement I'm no longer being poisoned by second hand smoke.
All I know about E-Cigs is that:
A: the vapour smells bad enough for me to stand away from friends while they use them, same as smokers.
B: the health implications, good and bad, are not yet known.
C: the tobacco industry is heavily involved in them, this leads to a level of distrust about any information that comes from them.
D: they have become the latest fashion trend with kids here in most of South Wales.
E: they are not currently regulated.
F: you still look like an idiot using one.
We both left the pub early because it was affecting our throats, so contrary to opinion on here, it gave us both a sore throat for 3-4 days, so for the people who will argue night is day etc, that is a FACT.
Writing fact in capitals doesn't make it any more likely.
