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 Afterwards, dunno but certainly off it midweek and only on weekends if there’s a legitimate reason.

That's roughly what I'm thinking too.


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 12:25 pm
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In my fourth week now (no booze, no take aways, avoiding breads/pastas/rice dishes).

I'm not missing booze but I have a busy couple of months ahead, including my birthday, a huuuuuuuge Bob Marley festival (43rd year running), The Streets concert annnnnnnd a week long bush doof called "Blazing Swan" Perth's equivalent to Burning Man. I suspect a few shandy's might be consumed but I'd have no prolem going back to no booze after all that (probably for the best!)


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 12:30 pm
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If only there were some other intoxicant suitable for consumption at a Bob Marley festival.

Likewise for the rave thing.

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Posted : 22/01/2024 1:40 pm
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If one was to partake in substances other than alcohol during January, does it still count as dry?  Asking for a friend.


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 2:04 pm
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If one was to partake in substances other than alcohol during January, does it still count as dry? Asking for a friend.

Depends on your reason for doing it, so completely subjective. But if you want some form of validation, then go for it, as I hear these substances aren't wet.


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 2:17 pm
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If one was to partake in substances other than alcohol during January, does it still count as dry?

Dunno, but Aphex would be doing Off-Your Face February anyway.


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 2:31 pm
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So what are people planning to do when Jan ends?

Dry February

Then dry March

Then we'll see after that


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 2:36 pm
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Still dry here, still not missing it although on Metronidazole now for an infection so not really much choice. 

Not sure what I'll do after Jan to be honest, probably slip back into a glass or two on a Friday and Saturday night if I want one, and when cooking Sunday lunch after a ride. 

I'm a really bad sleeper, and I've had the best month's sleep that I can remember.  I don't want to give that up anywhere near as much as I do fancy a nice glass of something. 


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 2:37 pm
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I’m a really bad sleeper, and I’ve had the best month’s sleep that I can remember.

I'm a moderate-to-good sleeper normally, but yes - this month has been bloody amazing for shuteye.


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 2:48 pm
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Still dry here - helped by also being at the tail end of some other virus again, although I seem to have swerved COVID, which our youngest has just shaken off..

Plan is to finish off the left over Xmas surplus over the upcoming Feb weekends, trying to avoid a lapse back into regular week day tipples.


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 2:56 pm
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So what are people planning to do when Jan ends?

Not sure yet. Initial plan was to stay away from booze until I had lost my target 1 stone. However, that might take longer than planned - will see which way it's going tomorrow morning at weigh-in 😁
I don't really drink that much, but I have been enjoying feeling less wooly in the mornings.

I think perhaps I'll try to stick to soft drinks/non-alc in the week & then treat myself at the weekend.


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 3:31 pm
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Today I've been to a funeral where there were loads of family I haven't seen for years, social anxiety got the better of me and I had 3 pints 🫤


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 5:30 pm
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Had forgotten about this until I came across it again in the supermarket today.

I really like it

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Posted : 22/01/2024 9:59 pm
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Still dry here too. Honestly didn't think I'd find it very easy, but I haven't struggled at all. A few non-alcoholic gin variants have helped, and now feeling like I could try Dry Feb too... we'll see!


 
Posted : 22/01/2024 10:07 pm
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Dunno, but Aphex would be doing Off-Your Face February anyway.

I mean, if it's not a thing then I'm all for advocating for it. Although it's been a good 25 years since I was that naughty.


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 8:52 am
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Went to the pub on the weekend - BOTH nights. Observations:

Still had a decent enough time with my OH and mates

Did start to get quite bored and wanted to go home earlier than the others

Guinness 0.0 is pretty nice but it would be nice if more people had it on draft.

Apart from the people I was with - the other rowdy folk in the place really started to annoy me. I was really trying hard not to be self righteous as they're just having fun and I've been there a million times but secretly harboured annoyance and smugness.

Not sure what I will do when January ends. I never set out to never drink again and I have a weekend in Torridon at the start of Feb for some climbing. But I really feel much better.


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 9:43 am
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Did start to get quite bored and wanted to go home earlier than the others

Apart from the people I was with – the other rowdy folk in the place really started to annoy me. I was really trying hard not to be self righteous as they’re just having fun and I’ve been there a million times but secretly harboured annoyance and smugness.

This is how I find it. Even the people I'm with start to grate if they are too pissed


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 9:51 am
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Will be a year dry in March. Feel pretty good on it. Lost a bunch of weight, sleep really well and have much improved mental clarity.

There are times though I just want to get off my tits.


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 10:25 am
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Did start to get quite bored and wanted to go home earlier than the others

Apart from the people I was with – the other rowdy folk in the place really started to annoy me. I was really trying hard not to be self righteous as they’re just having fun and I’ve been there a million times but secretly harboured annoyance and smugness.

I can relate to this, I also find pissed people repeat themselves a lot. I really hope I am not like that when I've had a few. That and one mates wife who insists on being 3 inches from my face during a conversation, never noticed it when she is sober.


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 10:33 am
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My memory was I did this a couple of years ago.

It appears it was actually eight years ago 🙂 https://www.pickled-hedgehog.com/alcohol-dreams/

Most of what I wrote then seems to have held over to this time round except:
- being older, weight loss seems to take longer

- definitely feel more drive to make a significant longer term change. Last time out my plans didn't really stand the first contact with a beer!

- Changes that feel doable: No midweek drinking except after a ride, no beer at home once back from that ride (this is what kills me the next day), in fact just don't drink on your own (my wife barely drinks at all)

- "Hardest" non beer time is defo after riding. Way easier at home although have drunk quite a lot of AF beers. Seem to be addicted to Erdinger Grapefruit 🙂

- I do feel a lot better. Sleeping well (still wake up tho), still getting knackered end of the day (but you know mid 50s, gonna happen!). Not sure my riding has benefited except the no hangover at the start of the ride is something to be cherished. Have been running a lot (from a zero base) and that's definitely negatively affected riding MTBS.

- On hols 29/1. Not going to go to end of month when sitting in a bar in 22 deg sunshine overlooking a lovely coastline. But going to see if I can actually do the have a beer and then stop thing.


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 10:59 am
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I can relate to this, I also find pissed people repeat themselves a lot

Try spending time sober with coke heads. Thats another level of tedium


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 11:00 am
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I generally try to avoid alcohol-free beers when I am doing a detox as 1. I don't find them particularly enjoyable and 2. I definitely get a bit of a placebo effect and I can loose that clear-headedness which is one of the biggest benefits of a booze break for me.

However, I saw some of that Guinness 0.0 in a shop yesterday and bought a couple of cans. Wow, tastes like the real thing. Easily the best 0.0 I have tried.


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 11:21 am
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Seem to be addicted to Erdinger Grapefruit

Didn't know this was a thing!


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 12:14 pm
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Didn’t know this was a thing!

We took a punt at our local discount store with a few boxes due to 'go out of date end March 24' .

We ended up buying about 30 bottles and I fully expected to be giving them away/hiding them at the back of the cupboard way before then.

Nope. Been back for another 30 🙂 Everyone I've offered one too has left the house with a box of 4. I've always liked Erdinger after a turbo session or a run, but this version is like human cat nip!


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 12:20 pm
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I really hope I am not like that when I’ve had a few. 

I think we all know the answer to that one...!<br /><br />DrP


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 12:27 pm
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I'll be looking out for it, love Erdinger and happily the Alkohofrei one is a great alternative when I'm behaving myself.


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 12:28 pm
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Pedant alert: Isn't that Erdinger grapefruit stuff technically about 2.5% abv? I mean still chump change but not an AF beer.


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 3:06 pm
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https://uk.erdinger.de/beer/alkoholfrei-grapefruit.html

Less than 0.3% according to this link


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 3:22 pm
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Pedant alert: Isn’t that Erdinger grapefruit stuff technically about 2.5% abv? I mean still chump change but not an AF beer.

Not the ones we bought- same as link below.

https://www.carlsbergmarstons.co.uk/products/erdinger/erdinger-alkoholfrei-grapefruit/


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 3:29 pm
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Oh man - I am geting mixed up with the orange cans of Schofferhofer. I gotta find some of that Erdinger!


 
Posted : 23/01/2024 4:03 pm
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January is a long month...

I've just bought the Brew Dog AF variety pack. Hazy Jane, Elvis Juice, Nanny State, Punk.  They're all terrible.

The best tasting one so far has been Brooklyn Special Effects.  Moretti, Peroni, Rivington Mash Gang and Heineken Zero have been okay.

Erdinger was a little sweet with a crazy head.  I can only manage one or two, then I'm done.  Looking forward to trying the Grapefruit ones though.

Guiness Zero out of a can wasn't great but normal Guiness is the same, I'm hoping on draught it's better.

My mates recommend Beevertown Lazer Crush but I've not seen any in the shops.


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 10:33 am
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I really like the 0% pilsner from Aldi. It's only 2.99 for 6 bottles which is really good value.

Works for me as the placebo effect of having a beer does the job most the time and much prefer that to other fizzy drinks.

Also amazing to see the number of alcohol free beers available in pubs now - seems to be a real social shift going on at the moment and will be interesting to see how things develop.


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 10:38 am
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4 weeks done.  There's a little voice in the back of my head saying "what would be the worst that could happen if you never had another beer?"


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 10:52 am
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I really like the 0% pilsner from Aldi. It’s only 2.99 for 6 bottles 

The Lidl one is excellent too. I have those and Special Effects in the fridge ATM.

I’ve just bought the Brew Dog AF variety pack. Hazy Jane, Elvis Juice, Nanny State, Punk.  They’re all terrible.

Dunno why but that made me do an actual LOL.


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 11:05 am
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The Infinite Session alcohol free ones remain my favourite, though I have yet to try the grapefruit one mentioned earlier.  Quite like the Guiness zero but couldn't do more than one can.


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 11:48 am
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Still staying alc free here. I need to try some of these alc-free beers. Plenty of suggestions above 👍

Still trying to lose weight. Weigh-in yesterday showed a 1 lb loss, which I was expecting but equally a bit disappointed about - was sub-consciously hoping for more.
12lbs more to lose to get to my target, although historically I know the last 4 or 5lbs are a real struggle!


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 11:59 am
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I asked for an alcohol free beer at the pub this evening, the only thing they had was small bottle of Peroni 0.0.

FIVE POUNDS!

I'm considering drinking again just to save money!


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 7:26 pm
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Enjoying the better sleep and clear-headedness, and not feeling too many cravings. Just thinking that come Feb I want to maintain that feel good factor - but stupidly - w no Dry Feb to aim for will i let it go and feel obliged to have a couple of beers on the 1st and then all downhill.

but thinking that actually staying dry could be a thing. Have been guilty of being too boozy for too long and staying dry through Feb as well will be the real change I need.


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 7:33 pm
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If you’re in Manchester, Balance have an amazing 0.5% Mosaic hopped barrel brew on. Also, Track have free Citra hopped water in their tap room, if you’re in there with friends who aren’t abstaining.


 
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That's good to know. I shall be in Manchester at the start of March and I know my colleagues will be keen to go to Track as we did last year.


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 7:50 pm
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Agreed on the annoyance of drunk folk/coked up loons.....as a former professional musician I've spent waay to much time surrounded by that.

I'm planning on sober for the first 2 weeks in February too. Haven't really enjoyed the benefits of better sleep this dry Jan. I'm in the middle of the first batch of assignments for my masters degree and struggling to switch off currently. Sleep has been crap throughout Jan as a result.


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 7:54 pm
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I've already failed at dryness, as I've already mentioned.  But that's fine, as the few beers I've had have made me realise that I don't need beer.


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 8:04 pm
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no Dry Feb to aim for

Why not?

Set your own rules/challenges, not just because the media say it's dry Jan, or stoptober. If I decide I'm doing dry Feb, then I will - which I am


 
Posted : 24/01/2024 8:22 pm
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Set your own rules/challenges,

Agreed. On that note I'm on a countdown to Monday when we arrive in Mediera. I've only been to the pub once after riding this year (and that was sitting outside, not conducive to a cold beer!) which has definitely helped any 'one doesn't count' weakness!

Ended up buying a lot of 0.0/0.5% AF beer. Won't get anywhere near finishing it before 29th, but happy to keep some in the fridge as a 'start here' option when fancying a beer.


 
Posted : 25/01/2024 11:09 am
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Set your own rules/challenges, not just because the media say it’s dry Jan, or stoptober. If I decide I’m doing dry Feb, then I will – which I am

Temperance Februance? I'm in.


 
Posted : 25/01/2024 11:13 am
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Me too. I've avoided dry January again this year (the worst time to deny pubs etc trade/income in my opinion) but plan to abstain for February. Not because it's shorter month... honest! 😉


 
Posted : 25/01/2024 11:18 am
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I've had a slightly cheating dry January.  Drank copiously at a gig on the 1st, that was planned.

Then I had a dram last Saturday night.  My resolve just broke, simple as that.

I'll also have a drink or two this weekend as a friend is visiting.

All that 'fail' aside, I'm not beating myself up over it.  The aim is to break habits, and I intend to carry that on beyond the end of January.  The main habit being drinking a couple of beers and a dram or two sitting in front of the telly three or four nights of the week.

Sociable drinks with friends = good

Boozing mindlessly in front of the telly = bad

It's a creeping habit which does no good for body or mind.  I want to be more mindful in consumption, that way the drinks  I do have should be more enjoyable.  Stuff like a post ride beer on a warm day with pals, that's the good boozing!

Having a short break with no forward plan doesn't do much good long term IMO, unless it highlights a serious drinking problem where giving up is extremely hard.  I've previously given up for 5 months totally dry (Jan - May 2020.  Good timing...) but pretty much jumped back in where I'd left off.


 
Posted : 25/01/2024 11:36 am
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Sociable drinks with friends = good

Boozing mindlessly in front of the telly = bad

It’s a creeping habit which does no good for body or mind.  I want to be more mindful in consumption, that way the drinks  I do have should be more enjoyable.  Stuff like a post ride beer on a warm day with pals, that’s the good boozing!

Well said. Pretty much reflects my aspirations.

I do really enjoy a beer or wine watching a movie but I'm gonna try to cut that right back.

Temptation getting stronger now, but will hold out until Feb no worries.


 
Posted : 25/01/2024 1:50 pm
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Friday again, still going strong...however, back last night from a work trip and had 3 cans of Small Beer with dinner, which is 2.1%, so 2.7 units consumed in total.  Oddly woke up this am with a sore head ! 🙂


 
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Post January I'm thinking of trying to follow a "rule of threes", I.e. maximum of 3 drinks, 3 days a week. That way I'll be having at least 4 days a week dry and will hopefully avoid that "one too many" feeling.


 
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Why not?

Set your own rules/challenges, not just because the media say it’s dry Jan, or stoptober. If I decide I’m doing dry Feb, then I will – which I am

It's also a shorter, nicer, lighter month than the misery that is usually January.  Much better month to quit drinking IME.  


 
Posted : 26/01/2024 11:20 am
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The 14 units a week and no more that 7 units in any day is a good rule to follow.  There are some apps that help you track that as well.

You definitely enjoy the drinks you do have more.  


 
Posted : 26/01/2024 11:21 am
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^^^ I think after nearly a month off it, 7 units would floor me ... 🙂


 
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There’s a bottle of corona in the fridge that nearly caught me out the other night but still pure. Doing a bit more on the bike and eating better so have lost a little weight this week too. Keep on keeping on troopers!


 
Posted : 26/01/2024 3:01 pm
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Still going strong and the 'want' has wained.

Genuinely now thinking of doing February as well.

It transpires I've also lost about 4 kg too, although I put that down to doing parkrun rather than not drinking.


 
Posted : 26/01/2024 4:48 pm
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I have made much of this month easy by being too ill to contemplate alcohol. But I'm going climbing tonight, and it's Friday, and the itch is already strong. Must not fall off the wagon at this late stage!


 
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Stay strong, just 5 days to go.


 
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I was at the funeral of my best friends father today. He died very suddenly on New year's Day. He was a huge fan of real ale, really wish that I'd have broken dry Jan and had a pint with my mate at the wake.


 
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Despite enjoying a few large rums or whisky's on my days off, I've not found dry January to difficult. 

I have noticed that the urgency to pee through night is a lot less, and not having a fuzzy head is better too.

I am looking forward to a Jeffersons rum come February 😋


 
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Really fancied a beer last night. But kept strong and didn't have one, then was reflecting at 10pm that it's really nice not feeling pissed.


 
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Did dry Jan a few years ago except the 30th was a mates bday so slipped with 1 day to go.

This year I wasn't doing it had a couple on the 6th and not since. Will have a few at a 40th on the 2nd so not quite 4weeks.
Only real improvement is quality of sleep, but my sleep is ruined anyway but sleep score slowly creeping up.


 
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Well today is day 28. Even went to an Australia day "celebration" on Friday and consumed ZERO alcohol.

I'm coping surprisingly well...Slightly distracted with a new pup in the Aphex household though....


 
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First pub visit last night for dinner with friends.
Had some big drop citra and stout.
Convinced I have a hangover this morning.
Do AF beers have congeners in that could give you a hangover.
Rumour when I was a student that Courage Directors had some stuff in the give you a proper hangover so you'd think it was a strong beer


 
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Into the home straight boys and girls...


 
Posted : 28/01/2024 1:48 pm
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Into the home straight boys and girls…

I'd normally be looking forward to a beer, but I'm not bothered.

Dry February won't be a problem


 
Posted : 28/01/2024 3:13 pm
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Had some non-alcoholic Beavertown Lazer Crush IPA this weekend.
My daughter chose it for me. It was pretty tasty, but not very beer-like.
It was fine for a weekend substitute though.

We're off out for a meal tonight. I'll probably have non-alc beer or a diet coke with the meal.
Main issue with me is still the healthy eating. If I stay on track for 1 lb a week I'll be OK with that. I'll be surprised if I lose anything this week though, come Tuesday morning's weigh-in.


 
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Anyone else get a tiny buzz off a 0.01% beer? I don't know if I'm extremely sensitive to alcohol having none in my system, or if it's psychological


 
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No effect on me. Sadly my tolerance is fairly high I'd guess!

Just been for our regular Sunday afternoon alcohol free drink at the local. I didn't half fancy a couple of the bitters that they'd got on!


 
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FAIL! Had a horrendous weekend with our water supply (remote so spring and tank job) spent Friday and Saturday soaked and down holes and crawling around pipes so last night after I’d got it working again thought ‘balls to this’ and went for a few pints. Only had three but felt dog rough this morning and in no hurry to repeat the experience. Nice beer though - Ennerdale darkest, robust! Then when we’d got home the bloody water was off again! Bah!


 
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@pisco I posted a few pages ago about everyday food and drinks having alcohol in them. I'd expect your 0.01% beer is psychological.


 
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I don’t know if it’s because it’s getting close to the end, but I would have really enjoyed a nice glass of red about 9pm last night. However that would have spoilt my plan to do a big long run today. Same again tonight, but the Chamomile tea will be nice, and my recovery will be much better.


 
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I had a couple of home measure GnT’s Fri and Sat evenings. Didn’t enjoy as much as I was expecting to and definitely had worse sleeps.

Back to the abstinence again now, just feels better overall.


 
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I discovered Tanqueray AF today, I say discovered, obviouslyI knew it existed.

While it stung to £15 for something with no duty it made tonight't tonic a bit more interesting.  I know I'll drink again, and want to really because I enjoy the taste, I must say I'm in no hurry - which is a big surprise to be honest.


 
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Had my first “big” all day high elevation Mtb ride of the year, not just Zwift or a nighttime hour out - which would normally be followed by a couple beers in joggers in front of the TV on Saturday evening. I was actually kind of disappointed not to want one!

Had a chippy instead as a treat - which whilst delicious and I was ravenous, also made me feel a bit crap as I’ve been eating more or less all wholefood and rather lean nutritious stuff as well as avoiding the deoch - think it was the salt and grease! 

Actually kind of made me think I should dial back the whole “live like a monk” thing I’ve been doing so far this year a tad, so I don’t go crazy and develop a bit of a disorder. I feel great and have noticeably trimmed down but I don’t want a slice of cake or whatever to feel like something I need to agonise over.

I’ve really found Dry January to be quite interesting and it’s really made me explore my relationship with how alcohol is tied to my personal reward system. Mad how an internet trend that I’ve always kinda thought was bullsh*t has had quite a profound effect. <br /><br />I’m sure I’m not a teetotaller now, but I really can’t see myself rushing to the offie to get a couple 9 percent Belgian ales every Friday like usual again. <br /><br />Christ that’s all a bit pretentious isn’t it! 


 
Posted : 28/01/2024 10:34 pm
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9%!!

if it was in a Special Brew can it carries certain connotations. However put it in a Belgian / craft beer bottle and it’s highbrow


 
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To be fair - Trappiste Rochefort, Tripel Karmeliet or even your garden variety Duvel are delish and quite nice slow sippers. Still a hell of a lot though.


 
Posted : 29/01/2024 9:08 am
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Still feeling like i could do this for a long time...

loving the sleep, and the spare time (although deep into marathon training, so a lot of that time is spent snoozing).

Definitely on for 105 days (Manchester Marathon) may go longer...


 
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Was thinking about this last night. It almost feels like I have a super power. Lack of hangovers, more energy it's all good.

Some interesting insights from Garmin relating to my sleep score and resting HR.

December - other months look very similar

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Jan - Blip at the start is me finishing all the Christmas booze. Not sure about the one in the middle, maybe I was just feeling crap.

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Posted : 29/01/2024 10:48 am
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Monthly pub night with some dads from son's school on Friday.  Had a Butcombe Goram AF 0.05% which was pretty decent, tasted a bit thin maybe (I like the 5% Goram), but I reckon if you gave me that as a first pint with no clue it was AF, I might just have put it down to whatever I'd had for dinner or something.  Guinness Zero, similar.  Don't reach for Guinness often, just occasionally when the mood takes me.  Came out of a can.  Was OK.  Again, if someone set it down in front of me as a first pint and said "sorry, it was out of a can", rather than "sorry, it's Zero" I might not have twigged.

Probably 3/8 of us were drinking Low/No alcohol beers.  It's nice that not drinking booze is becoming more normalised, that there's less of a social barrier to making healthy choices.  This thread is part of that.  Thanks for starting, DrP, and all the posters.

I've not been yearning for a drink anywhere near as much as I thought I would.  I was quite tempted to have a glass or red last night, for various reasons.  My wife put the half bottle of serviceable red she bought for cooking in the fridge when she unpacked the shopping.  No idea why, but it introduced a handy time delay on that being drinkable.  Just enough to sit down with a mint tea instead.


 
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