Donald! Trump!

So is this why they've just repealed Os law on mentally ill people buying guns?

So Trump can tool up ? 😉

Who knows if he's mentally ill, he's certainly got a shaky grasp on reality ( huge crowds, birther conspiracy, voter fraud etc) and paper thin skin (see all his Twitter tantrums)

I'm not sure what his obsession with fake tan is all about but there's something strange going on.

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Fortunately the judiciary seem to be keeping his worst excesses in check (so far) and his altienating of the intelligence services seems to be reaping the rewards that were obviously coming his way...

Bollocks. People with BPD have good remission rates with treatment

People with personality disorders cannot be detained under the mental health act because they do not have a " treatable mental illness"

There is a strong view within the profession that people with personality disorder should not be considered treatable

as a police officer we have very regular contact with people with MH issues and with Personality Disorder. I can name half a dozen individuals diagnosed with P.D who we deal with on a weekly basis, usually as a result of self-harm and suicidality (I've personally pulled one of them off the 'wrong' side of a bridge, and they are disabled from being successful on a different occasion). In every case I have been involved with (probably in three figures as I managed a police custody suite for 3 years) people diagnosed with Personality Disorder are considered untreatable and therefore not detainable under the M.H Act (sometimes with serious or fatal consequences).

Found this cracker in the Graun:

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/16/donald-trump-us-president ]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/16/donald-trump-us-president[/url]

As Professor Allen Frances, the man who wrote the official definition of narcissistic personality disorder, points out: “He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn’t make him mentally ill, because he does not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder. Mr Trump causes severe distress rather than experiencing it and has been richly rewarded, rather than punished, for his grandiosity, self-absorption and lack of empathy ... His psychological motivations are too obvious to be interesting.”

Nearly spat my coffee out when I read that one!

Nigel Farage, a man cut from the same cloth as Trump, is a talentless blowhard wearing clownish “man of the people” drag, and he is given endless media coverage – why would he choose to be anything else?

And that bit.

Very good and witty article, but I could sum Trump and Farage's 'problem' up in far fewer words.

And what would have been the response?

As she said this is not the way our democracy worked and she accepted the result the question was would the man who refused to accept the result have accepted it had he got the most votes and lost and it was shown that russian backers hacked him to cost him the election

I am not sure what you were even trying to say or achieve with that post as it does not in any way shape or form address my comment about what he would have done if the situation was reversed. We know what she would have done as she has done it.

Please be rational and cogent you are bright lets have a real debate PLEASE

Please be rational and cogent you are bright lets have a real debate PLEASE

Blimey, well I never ! 🙂

Granted I have yet to reach the heady heights of rational discourse that you epitomise Frowns - are you just wanting ninfans crown of scribble anything to get a response ?be quick its the other device with file blocker and i would hate to miss it if it was as incisive and funny as that one.

Have you you and sean spicer ever been seen in the same room?

el trumpo en directo! 😆

Live coverage now is scarily awful. Plenty of disorder on display.

When caught out about lying his response was great (sic) - "I was given that information."

On Isreal I thought all the "shock" at Trump saying he'd be happy with either a one state or two state solution was somewhat bizarre. There are many on the Palestinian side (eg Hamas and Iran, many in the Arab world etc) and those in the West campaigning as anti-Zionists (eg "Palestine will be free from the river to the sea") who have been pushing a one state solution for decades. Why would a Jewish one state solution be more shocking than the Palestinian / anti-Zionist version of eradicating Isreal ? The Palestinians rejected a two state solution in 1948, one that was far more generous than anything they will ever achieve now.

I've been saying for years a 1 state solution is the only viable solution, Israeli attitudes make it so.

Only provisos I would include are Palestinians be given the right to full citizenship and 1 person, 1 vote.

I doubt this is what trump means.

He has no ability to make a simple point. It's scary

All the stuff senior executives are trained to avoid - all on display in spades.

How much of a little dick syndrome can be man have?!? 😯

The Palestinians rejected a two state solution in 1948

Yeah weird how the Palestinians weren't happy to hand over their lands to Europeans and North Americans because of crimes which they didn't commit, but Germans and other Europeans did.

Where was their sense of fair play eh?

Donald will never put the shovel down, it's his shovel, it's his hole, it's gonna be great, the Mexicans/Palestinians will pay for the hole, Sean Spicer says there was never a shovel or a hole, the Russians knew about the hole, CiA knew about the hole, the rest of us don't give a shit about the hole.

**** wits, even the Rednecks are stepping away from the nightmare.

For a guy who doesn't drink, he is doing a great job of appearing pissed on live TV

That and the EGO

It's compellingly awful

jeez - it's rambling and incoherent, I'm very very scared.

Currently blaming the courts for overturning the immigration 'ban'

indeed THM and its not har to see why folk think he is unhinged

who are you

When told
I know who you are

to the BBC who beautifully said impartial free and fair when Trump had a pop at them.

BBC, impartial free and fair

He is deliberately attacking everyone in the room

Has he even been give the simple advice: make three v simple points, then STFU

Dont ramble, whatever you do....

No one has ever said that to the least anti semitic person they have ever met 😉

His press conferences are weird he really does not like anyone asking an even vaguely probing question of him and he has zero respect for anyone who dare question him or his motives.

Its not hard to see why folk thing he is a little bit on the personality disorder scale

even the Trump fans - surely you can't watch this and think this is normal or appropriate for a 'world leader'?

got to admit i find him funny at times, i'm changiing fake news to.... very fake news! 😆

funny in if it was ALI G or we were in on the set up and the reporters were not.

He really cannot stop himself from having really childish digs at anyone and also at his opponents

He was very clear on crime try and stop it no stop it so there you have it he will unite the nation and end all crime

Lucky US I say

He made spicer look incredibly adept and professional

You know he walked off stage to 16 hangerons telling him he pwned the room and agreeing about how unfair the media are to him.

I like that he made a deliberate point of mentioning that he'd known his wife for a while 🙂

he has probably known everyones wife for a while except the ugly ones

I'm pretty sure we're actual trapped in the matrix and the power is derived from DT internet related activity. It really is the only plausible reason for what I have just witnessed.

Junkyard - lazarus
funny in if it was ALI G or we were in on the set up and the reporters were not.

He really cannot stop himself from having really childish digs at anyone and also at his opponents

He was very clear on crime try and stop it no stop it so there you have it he will unite the nation and end all crime

Lucky US I say.

He made spicer look incredibly adept and professional

You know he walked off stage to 16 hangerons telling him he pwned the room and agreeing about how unfair the media are to him.

ninfan is correct there, it'll be the boy who cried wolf if there's something to really get concerned about

looks like he's not coping with the stress of the job very well to me.

[quote=Junkyard ]funny in if it was ALI G or we were in on the set up and the reporters were

The satirists are even more pissed off than the rest of us - he's stealing all their lines

[quote=ernie_lynch ]Yeah weird how the Palestinians weren't happy to hand over their lands to Europeans and North Americans

Remind me again who exactly the Palestinians are, what their lands are, and on what basis they claim sovereignty over them?

<bored of Trump, let's argue about the Middle East conflict instead>

I also find people falling over themselves to be outraged by him, at ever turn, fairly amusing too, tbh.

You are very lucky you find all participants amusing though

“I don’t think there’s ever been a president elected who in this short period of time has done what we have done.”

I'll give him that one.

Remind me again who exactly the Palestinians are, what their lands are, and on what basis they claim sovereignty over them?

What next why is ireland Irish?
DUH

Trump said his team is running like “a fine-tuned machine” at his first solo press conference today.
Nothing to see here....move along.

got to admit i find him funny at times, i'm changiing fake news to.... very fake news! 😆

This is it - the outraged lefties don't get that he is playing with them, they are just unwilling to see the cheeky glint in his eye as he says this stuff. Even the press laughed at that one.

The whole thing is glorious, God Emperor Trump emerges unscathed from the press bearpit yet again 8)

One hardly has to put in any effort to find that press conference or his demeanour or him alarming.
You are very lucky you find all participants amusing though

No-one is coming out of politics well, the politicians nor the media.

So much so i'm really wondering what the point is(if we're ment to take this seriously), it's a clown show on all fronts, on both sides of the Atlantic. It is entertainment, not politics or news.

he certainly escaped with his image no more tainted than before I will give you that

Certainly he is trying to play up but even you must accept it was some way short of statesmanlike and presidential it was practically a scene from Dr strangelove 😉

Ninfan - you really think that?

practically a scene from Dr strangelove

Ooh, it wasn't [i]statesmanlike[/i]? Well boo, and indeed, hoo.

People elected Trump as someone who was a doer, not a talker. So far, they're getting their money's worth.

[i]"Hilary got the questions before the debate, not a peep, imagine if that was me, it would be the biggest story in the world, you would be calling for the death penalty to be reinstated"[/i]

He's not wrong, is he?

President Trump is absolutely right in hammering those fake reporters.

I mean look at Channel 4 news trolling the people from time to time, I mean some of their reporters (most of them) are so dramatic in their report you though the world would collapse when the stock market fluctuate. What a bunch of reporter tools trying to be dramatic ... 😆

You should watch the bloke on Newsnight last night (Wed) where the bloke from Newsnight was so keen on inserting his own statement, the entire interview was him asserting his statement rather than listening to the person he was interviewing. A tool.

I really do find Chekwk adorable.

Ooh, it wasn't statesmanlike? Well boo, and indeed, hoo

YAWN

[quote=Jamie ]I really do find Chekwk adorable.

Feel free to adopt him and deny him wifi privileges 😉

[i]Trump: "Where you from?"
BBC Man: "BBC"
Trump: "Here's another beauty"
BBC Man: "Good line. Impartial free and fair."
Trump: "Just like CNN"[/i]

😆

This is it - the [s]outraged lefties[/s] idiotic right wingers who've been tricked into voting for him, don't get that he is playing with them

At least the lefties [i]know[/i] he's an idiot [s]savant[/s] the people who are going to be most outraged are all those miners and disadvantaged ex car workers in the rust belt who've thrown in their lot with a man who's ONLY interests lie with himself. Then we'll hear some outrage.

[quote=tjagain ]Ninfan - you really think that?

Not been here long?

"The leaks are real. The news is fake."

Can't be both, really. 😀

He seems utterly unhinged, barely in control of his brief, unable to string a coherent sentence together.

Business as usual then.

Getting their money's worth ? This isn't a comedy show.

The poor rednecks will soon realise that snake oil tastes pretty rancid.

James O'Brien is up his own backside most of the time. Works mostly on LBC but comes across as crass on TV. He just behaves like an arse most of the timend forgets that WE want to hear what his guest are saying not HIM

ninfan - Member

Trump: "Where you from?"
BBC Man: "BBC"
Trump: "Here's another beauty"
BBC Man: "Good line. Impartial free and fair."
Trump: "Just like CNN"

😆

I think the important thing here ninfan is that [i]you[/i] found it funny and laughed.

After all you probably can't see the comedy value of Fox News's "Fair and Balanced" slogan, so it's good to see that you can still find other stuff funny.

ninfan - Member
Trump: "Where you from?"
BBC Man: "BBC"
Trump: "Here's another beauty"
BBC Man: "Good line. Impartial free and fair."
Trump: "Just like CNN"

That's an absolute brilliant response from President Trump so funny. 😛 Most of President Trump responses are spot on.

The new trend in journalism is actually trolling the people in the name of news. The problem is that the news or media is hyping up their own hype thinking that they are the new king maker for the people. They are like public funded legitimate national news trolling. Their views are really not impartial.

Actually they are supposed to be reporting so they are reporters not some over-hyped label like journalists cos they are just reporters and even that they not reporting properly. In fact these so called "journalists" are increasingly interpreting and inserting their own emotional views to "influence" the unsuspected people. Remember these are reporters who are not built to think for the people rather they are built to report.

The Donald has got lots of skeletons to fall out of the closet yet. He has pissed Langley off never a good idea no matter who you are due to the fact those people are employed not elected..

He will solve the rust belt issue by starting a good old fashioned boots on the ground war with a convenient middle eastern country. They will need loads of young good old boys from the rust belt to feed that decision.

People elected Trump as someone who was a doer, not a talker. So far, they're getting their money's worth.

Really? What's he done? A lot of talking and making a mess. Not much in the way of constructive action.

You need to look at Robert Mugabi as an example of the type of power the Donald is after. If he was smart as people claim he is he could have done some tactical stuff around appointments and exec orders to start some change, he just shouts and expects shit to happen regardless of the consequences - he operates in a "Limited Liability" mode in the same way he runs his many business's if it goes wrong bankrupt it and jog on - Ninfan don't give this person kudos that he does not warrant at the end of the day he is a hard arsed capitalist used to getting his own way and no one questioning him - no more complicated than that

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-reporter-black-caucus_us_58a5fe71e4b037d17d25f1cb?section=politics

Here's ridiculous example of the media bias, essentially calling him racist for that bit( Congressional Black Caucus) wtf? they rely on people not actually watching these things...

So while we can laugh and ridicule trump, rightly in a lot of cases. i really do think you need to look at your side and say, hawl mon to buggery...

Being self critical is important, something the left has no clue about. In my opinion, that was about the most sincere part of the conference.

It's good click bait i guess..

Good to hear this long list of reasons why Trump will fail as president

From the same people who also gave us an equally long list of reasons why Trump would lose the election

😆

Many of whom also gave us an additional list of reasons why the public would never vote for Brexit too

😆

And funnily enough, another long list of reasons why the Tories could never win the last election

😆

And the one before that

😆

People elected Trump as someone who was a doer, not a talker. So far, they're getting their money's worth.

Really? What's he done?

A total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States. And a 2,000 miles long 35-45 feet high wall which Mexico is going to pay for.

Dont forget hilary is also in jail

what is your problem with that report and what exactly makes you think they claimed he was a racist? Can you highlight the parts?

Its just seems to say what happened and how the black caucus responded afterwards
EDIT to yours

Being self critical is important, something the left has no clue about. In my opinion,

Is this a wind up?

FWIW he did sound sincere on that well till he said he would end crime and he lost his track but he did actually sound like he cared and he wanted to do something about crime/inner city disharmony

President Donald Trump on Thursday asked an African American reporter at a press conference to set up a meeting for him with members of the Congressional Black Caucus, adding, “Are they friends of yours?”

The exchange began when April Ryan, White House correspondent and Washington bureau chief for American Urban Radio Networks, asked the president if he would hold meetings with black caucus members to help craft his urban development policy.

“Well I would. I’ll tell you what, do you want to set up the meeting?” Trump said. “Do you want to set up the meeting? Are they friends of yours?”

“No, I’m just a reporter,” replied Ryan, adding that she did know some members of the group.

“Set up the meeting, let’s go, set up the meeting,” Trump said. “I would love to meet with the black caucus. I think it’s great, the Congressional Black Caucus. I think it’s great.”

[b]During the same rambling, bizarre press conference, the president claimed he is “the least racist person.”[/b]

well that whole bit tbh. but the bold bit in particular is oddly placed, and the heading basically implies, trumps asks random blavck person if they know another random black person.

It doesn't mention in the article why he asked (couldn't get a meeting as he explained, citing it as being viewed as bad politically for the CBC. I'd think the veracity of that really should be looked at before chucking in the click bait. might have a proper story then, then again might not.)

There's no story here without further investigation is my point.

I'm not pro trump, far from it, but trump isn't really where my concerns lie. It's in the left getting it's act together, which seems a distant reality, imo. You can't complain about and use propaganda and expect to get taken seriously.

Cheers for that seosamh77, I'm up to where the orange bawbag mentions a task force to deal with the horrendous situation of drugs cheaper than candy bars.

So that'll be the makers of fentynal strung up and locked in jail along with the other illegal drug bad guys then?, according to the CDC so i guess the figures can be trusted and verified.....but then again it is a government dept so they could be lying and spreading fake news

[i]The death rate of synthetic opioids other than methadone, which includes drugs such as tramadol and fentanyl, increased by 72.2% from 2014 to 2015

Deaths from heroin up 23% to 12,989
Deaths from manufactured synthetic opioids, including fentanyl up 73% to 9,580
Prescription painkillers like Oxycontin and Vicodin up 4% to 17,536[/i]

Yep...the USA sure does have a prescription drug problem.

Gonna have to rewind the youtube feed so i don't miss any anything important 😉

given whet they said afterwards it may just be the case that Trump was being less than honest and that is the story
He publicly says he tried and he wants a meeting when in reality he has not responded to their overtones never mind endlessly tried to contact them as he suggested.
the story is he lied at the press conference though I think that is indeed hardly news but for all the wrong reasons

Any chance you can explain why you only think the "left" are not self critical after that display?
It struck you that he really does self critical

From the same people who also gave us an equally long list of reasons why Drumpf would lose the election 😆

Are you including your first offering to this thread among those?

Junkyard - lazarus

Any chance you can explain why you only think the "left" are not self critical after that display?

I'm not concerned about whether the right are self critical(i'm fairly glad there not). I'm interested in a coherent and clear left getting it's act together for when the charade, on both sides of the atlantic, is ready to move on. Not seeing a lot of evidence of that. Just a baying mob.

Trump is in the white house/ we're livig through another 18 years of tories/brexit happened, because of the vaccum that exists in the left, not because of the rights great agenda.

One for the Trumpettes.
[url= http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4572514/ ]Patriots Day[/url] isn't a documentary.

You know what i mean? The vacuum explains why so many people were wishing(myself included) a wet blanket like corbyn would actually do any good... It's explains why america said **** you hilary...

Why "wish" in things that are obviously screwed from the start? That is a question of basic judgement...

Mon thm, even a centrist like yourself must be starting to be getting concerned about vacuum that's in the centre now. The loonies really are(have) taking(took) over and were('ve) letting(let) them.

It'll continue if people play their game.

That is a question of basic judgement...

Well Joe, my concern is what happens when the people finally discover that the populists/snake oil salesman cant/wont deliver on their promises and the mirages evaporate before their eyes. History tells us that this can/does unleash some dangerous forces.

As strongly as I feel about the SNP, as the forerunners in this latest phase of crass and dishonest populism, they are largely harmless since then merely spout drivel but implement far more pragmatic policies in practice albeit with poor results. But their damage is manageable and the Scots are largely too sensible to let them go too far. I have faith ultimately in your countrymen even if you do deserve much better leaders.

In contrast, the subsequent masters of snake oil sales are far more dangerous and concerning - with Trump and the the various extreme parties across Europe in the lead. Unlike the SNP they can and could well do REAL harm domestically and internationally. For the first time in my life I am genuinely fearful of some geopolitical events.

The press conference today ceased to be amusing. It was AWFUL. Genuinely AWFUL. Trumps behaviour/delusion is off the scale in a contemporary context. He displays behaviour that you would not accept in a corporate context let alone a political one.

So yes, the vacuum is concerning. Very concerning indeed.

I finished Aaron Banks' book on Brexshit this week and am now reading the Stimpson version. The former left me very sad, the latter (a more sober account) less so, but still dismayed. Awful times...

A few posters on here defend trump with 'hes funny, great put downs' etc etc.

I have to admit hes a character, and some of the stuff he comes out with is quite witty...but

And its a big but...

Hes not there to entertaiin us, hes there to run the worlds most powerful country. And hes clearly way out his depth on that front..

Please can the news organisations get sorted and just not turn up to the Whitehouse press conferences?
Best thing would be Trump walking into an empty room bar one poor lackey from Kyrgyzstan Today with a GoPro in hand...

Like swiss tony returning everything to making love to a beautiful woman you can turn everything into a SNP rant 😆

I have faith ultimately in your countrymen even if you do deserve much better leaders.

Not wrong about Trump or Brexit

[quote=teamhurtmore ]Well Joe, my concern is what happens when the people finally discover that the populists/snake oil salesman cant/wont deliver on their promises and the mirages evaporate before their eyes. History tells us that this can/does unleash some dangerous forces.

What do you think is actually going to be significant enough to trigger this? I'm far from convinced that any arguments "us liberals" (I include you in that when discussing Trump) and the media are making about his failings are making any difference at all to those who voted for him. On the contrary, people appear to agree with his travel ban and have swallowed the idea that it will make the US safe. The removal of environmental regulation also appears popular on the basis companies will no longer be constrained and they will create jobs. How and in what way will reality hit in a way which he can't spin to be the fault of the somebody else (eg a so-called judge) preventing him doing what is right?

That press conference was somewhat odd

pop out for a night ride

come back to find the Trump has replaced Spicer as his own press secretary with predictably hilarious results

just watching newsnight
wow President snowflake is really struggling, with , well just everything

Im loving his knowledge of uranium!

& loving him getting called out on spreading fake news himself over his electoral college numbers!!

For the first time in my life I am genuinely fearful of some geopolitical events.

Between tonight's press conference and some recent offerings from one of Trumps 'advisors' Stephen Miller(YouTube clearly a psychopath) It's like watching fascism unfold in real time.

matt_outandabout
Please can the news organisations get sorted and just not turn up to the Whitehouse press conferences?

This^^

There is no point them being there, as nothing truthful or useful is disclosed and discussion is deliberately curtailed by the WHite House media team.

If i were the BBC, after Trump looked to threaten their reporter, i'd boycott the White House Press Conferences completely.

It's like one of those programmes where they get kids to describe objects:

describe uranium

"it makes nuclear weapons and the other bad things" - Donald, 8.

Aracer, in the short term they will not make a difference, true. In the short/medium term, supporters will become more entrenched as we have already seen and Trump will continue to deflect and distract (in a more extreme manner than wee nippy)

When the mirage REALLY starts to evaporate, polices will become more extreme and solutions more and more out-of-reach. Trump will not and cannot resurrect the rust belt, it's screwed for obvious reasons that sound bites cannot blow away.

The scary thing is that Trumo,will find himself more and more isolated and that is when meglomaniacs become more scary - when they are isolated and cornered.

The WH spokesman on Newsnight NW is also scary!

It's like one of those programmes where they get kids to describe objects:

Yep, all it needs is Michael Aspel and you've got half a series of Child's Play sorted out right there.

If i were the BBC, after Drumpf looked to threaten their reporter, i'd boycott the White House Press Conferences completely.

Definitely not. The pack are starting to scent blood and work cooperatively.