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I can't believe no one around Trump knew the supreme court would block the ban.
It wasn't the supreme court.
I can't believe that no one around Trump knew that the US government can't simply build a wall on private land without some very serious legal implications which need to be sorted out, but that didn't stop Trump from issuing an executive order.
I've no idea
But you do know for sure that he hasn't "publicised the real policies, you know the ones he actually wants to see implemented"?
How can you be so sure if you've got no idea what they might be?
Does Trump strike you as a cards on the table type?
Because of his personality disorder he is incapable of understanding that he cannot just do what he wants and believes that anything he wants is right and there can be no opposition to him. His world view and reality are crashing into each other really hard. My guess the outcome will be a complete breakdown from him at some point or he will walk away as being defeated is impossible to him.
Really? 1 week in and he is already knocked down in court.
Unless that's all part of the plan.
It's all text book stuff isn't it? Put forward something outrageous, everyone shits the bed, then proffer something less drastic which is what you were happy to have all along. This time with no opposition, as it's 'better' than the alternative.
I [Theresa] may be giving him too much credit. But it just seems so moustache twirlingly heinous to actually believe this is really happening.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/1719 love a good petition.
Have to be debated in parliament, a chance to skewer May 🙂
Scary to think what is going to happen when a white policeman shoot a black guy.
Because of his personality disorder he is incapable of understanding that he cannot just do what he wants and believes that anything he wants is right and there can be no opposition to him.
And because of your personality disorder you are incapable of seeing that he is doing exactly what the electorate elected him to do
Democracy, eh?
Does Trump strike you as a cards on the table type?
Well if I was claiming that Trump has a hidden agenda I would at least try to come up with a suggestion as to what it might be. It would help to make the claim more convincing.
Personally I don't think he's got a hidden agenda beyond being worshipped by his adoring fans. But that's partly because imo he didn't expect or even want to be US President.
IMO the ideal result for Trump would have been to lose to Clinton and to claim that it had been rigged. Like that his uncontrollable ego would have received the biggest boost in his life without any risk of his popularity being diminished as the result of actually doing the job.
He's now got to do an extremely time-consuming job which will be littered with potential disasters, and falling popularity.
Scary to think what is going to happen when a white policeman shoot a black guy.
Probably about the same as when Obama was US president, ie, "not a lot"
Jamie 😳
I've got a certificate somewhere
I'll try that again
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Getting Bannon on the NSC is quite a statement. I'm not sure to what extent trump is actually a Leader or the one being manipulated.
Zaphod Beeblebrox springs to mind.
And because of your personality disorder you are incapable of seeing that he is doing exactly what the electorate elected him to do
They elected him to **** everything up? Wow they really are even more stupid than I thought.
kimbers - MemberCan't wait till he comes to meet the queen
It'll nicely tarnish the Windsors as well as our PM as she fawns over him
And there may be the odd protestor too!
Posted 2 hours ago
And now 2 hours later you want us to sign a petition stopping him from making a State Visit [i]"because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen"[/i]?
Make your mind up FFS! 🙂
filter out the bullshit till the direction of travel becomes clear..
Surely we know that already. Downwards and backwards.
Just wait till Trumpcare replaces the ACA and people start losing healthcare
His approval ratings will go through the floor, that first impeachment vote going to be tough for the Republicans
KImbers - I doubt that as the US is so ****ed up on healthcare that people without any healthcare and who would benefit from ACA detest it. No one who supported trump is going to care about this
I've spent the last week telling people to chill out with the noise. I'm hardly about to start adding to it! Like I say I could speculate, but I won't.ernie_lynch - Member
Well if I was claiming that Trump has a hidden agenda I would at least try to come up with a suggestion as to what it might be. It would help to make the claim more convincing.
Like I say I could speculate, but I won't.
You're such a tease.
😆
Make your mind up FFS!
Oh no I want it to be debated in parliament
But Theresa may will have to ignore the will of the people 😉 and let trump in because it will illustrate that Brexit has made us desperate to suck up to any sleazeball that offers us a trade deal #fakecontrol
TJ......
http://money.cnn.com/video/news/economy/2017/01/06/obamacare-trump-voter.cnnmoney/
KImbers - I doubt that as the US is so ****ed up on healthcare that people without any healthcare and who would benefit from ACA detest it.
I know from a friend over there that a lot of people are upset and going to be in a difficult situation, in this case students, not that students rebel like they used to though
"What would you judge as a non trivial thing then?"
Invading Iraq and causing a massive Civil war through the Middle East and creating ISIS.
Pissing a few hundred people around is chicken feed compared to that.
Drone strikes and assassinations without trial.
I agree with the people saying he's just doing stuff publicly for the headlines in the full knowledge it can't happen and in every case he can point blame elsewhere when it doesn't happen.
Not very commendable but hopefully it's not Armageddon.
KImbers - I doubt that as the US is so ****ed up on healthcare that people without any healthcare and who would benefit from ACA detest it.
There are a few interviews around with people who were on ACA looking very upset when they found out that was the Obamacare they just voted to get rid of.
I've spent the last week telling people to chill out with the noise. I'm hardly about to start adding to it! Like I say I could speculate, but I won't.
Honestly he needs the scrutiny, every decision needs looking at and the second he slips up hammer him for it.
It's very strange how quiet he has gone since his first set back, no tweet, no retort to the celebs mocking him, no witty slanging match.
He is going to have a tough job getting the stuff forward he shouted about let alone anything else.
The only upside of Trump and Brexit is the number of people who have felt safe to come out of their shells and show their true colours, and those who seem to blind to see (or are just trolling)
mikewsmith - Member
Honestly he needs the scrutiny, every decision needs looking at and the second he slips up hammer him for it.
President Trump is doing the right thing as he got the guts to deal with issues others shy away.
In the meantime he should hammer those opposing his every decisions as hard as possible to the hilt, then see who scream first since President Trump is already getting hammered for no reason from the day he campaigned for Presidency. Hammer time!
I've got no problem with that what so ever, I've gave a couple of examples earlier or noise and stuff to get worked up about so far. My main point is pick the battles, it's far too easy right now to dismiss the "left" as hysterical. Some thing I quite dislike doing as I place myself somewhere to the left of Ghandi ffs! 😆mikewsmith - MemberHonestly he needs the scrutiny, every decision needs looking at and the second he slips up hammer him for it.
Let's not forget that it's only a few pages back in this thread where certain people were looking forwards, predicting how upset and betrayed all his supporters would feel when Trump inevetably didn't do what he said he was going to do, that it was all bullshit.
when Trump inevetably didn't do what he said he was going to do, that it was all bullshit.
So what's he actually delivered ninfan?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-promise-tracker/
Link may need an update but then as the white house isn't commenting on his shut down immigration policy we are not sure
outofbreath - Memberhe's just doing stuff publicly for the headlines in the full knowledge it can't happen
Trump's Muslim ban is happening, that's why it's making the headlines, I don't know why you think it isn't.
Well, apart from the fact that it only applies to about 13% of Muslims... so you could take the attitude that he had successfully moderated it and targeted it at problem countries, which seems fairly reasonable
mikewsmith - Member
So what's he actually delivered ninfan?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-promise-tracker/
Washington Post is another of those news that was opposing President Trump from day one of his campaign just like CNN.
In fact all the media broadcasters were trying to be the "king maker" predicted massive lost in Trump Presidential campaign. They cannot handle the fact that have been absolutely wrong so now trying to create troubles to ensure their "prediction" come through.
Biased and dangerous bunch of reporters that try to incite and stir emotion against one another. Not news worthy.
I know better than to argue with you ninfan, so if you want to put a spin on the fact that at the stroke of a pen Trump has banned 134 million people from entering the United States then go ahead.
Yeah, he's caused outrage across the world for nothing.
FFS Chewwy has turned up now. Time to move on.
"Trump's Muslim ban is happening, that's why it's making the headlines, I don't know why you think it isn't."
Because according to this thread the judiciary have stopped it and it's illegal. I admit I havent fact checked that but it seems to be generally agreed.
Not that I care. The USA have committed insane atrocities in their over reaction to 911, I really can't get excited about this issue.
No they haven't. As above, they have stopped deportation of those caught in transit. The ban is still in place.Because according to this thread the judiciary have stopped it and it's illegal.
If it was a piece of political theatre designed to get the Liberals in a tissy, I'd say the immigration ban been remarkably successful so far.
You only have to look at the choice of the countries involved and what they mean to Trump supporters to guess at why they were chosen (and more importantly why other countries who's citizens have perpetuated more terrorist acts weren't) I'd imagine to Mrs and Mrs Trump Voter of Spigot, Idaho, Somalia is where we had a war and kicked ass (Black Hawk Down tells them this is so) They've been at war with EyeRacK so banning them makes perfect sense, EyeRan are their implacable foes if they watch any news at all, they'll know the name, so that makes sense, and if they've even heard of the other countries: "Who they hell cares anyway, we shouldn't jus' let anyone into our goddam country anyway" and there's practically nothing those countries can do about it.
That some Judge in Manhattan has stopped it temporarily even plays to Trump's narrative of the Liberal Elite trying to thwart his "sensible plans". The Liberals can complain all they like, Farah and MPs even makes it a better story, as it looks "even handed".
ernie_lynch - Member
FFS Chewwy has turned up now. Time to move on.
Many of those criticising President Trump now on BBC news are saying they [b][u]Might[/u][/b] be prevented from going to USA. [b][u]These people have Not even go there yet[/u][/b] but have already started using their foresight to predict that they would be banned. 🙄
Ah. Just the person, I was waiting for.
Strikes me that nobody in history has more eagerly awaited news of a terrorist attack than Trump just now, it'd be like christmas for him.
really?
flattery will get you everywhere, y'know 😆
ninfan - Member
Well, apart from the fact that it only applies to about 13% of Muslims... so you could take the attitude that he had successfully moderated it and targeted it at problem countries, which seems fairly reasonable
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patiently awaiting the reasonable presidential orders banning, lightning, toddlers, beds, lawnmovers, buses and and americans from america!
Since we're being extra carefully, logically we should probably make that all weather events, all children, any type of bedroom furniture, all transport and well, may as well just ban every nation. Can never be too vigilant! 😆
We need time to figure out what the hell is actually going on!
have already started using their foresight to predict that they would be banned
This is because they're capable of basic logic 🙄
Excluding all data from 911.
Not that I dispute the point - the USA has insanely over reacted to 911.
Since we're being extra carefully, logically we should probably make that all weather events, all children, any type of bedroom furniture, all transport
Yeah, but only 13% of them, and the sort of weather, children etc. which the Trump doesn't have business dealings with - you wouldn't want to be immoderate or unreasonable
Excluding all data from 911.
Good point - the 911 attackers would of course be banned by this new law wouldn't they?
the USA has insanely over reacted to 911.
9/11 was simply the excuse that the neo-cons had been waiting for, it wasn't an overreaction as such.
See Northwind's post above for a comment in a similar vain.
true, don't want to appear draconian in our approach, thanks for keeping me in check! 13% seems a reasonable arbitrary number to go with! No-one could possibly argue against that, very sensible.aracer - Member
Since we're being extra carefully, logically we should probably make that all weather events, all children, any type of bedroom furniture, all transport
Yeah, but only 13% of them, and the sort of weather, children etc. which the Trump doesn't have business dealings with - you wouldn't want to be immoderate or unreasonable
"Good point - the 911 attackers would of course be banned by this new law wouldn't they?"
...whereas they would have been deterred if they'd know that Iraq was going toasted?
You only have to look at the choice of the countries involved and what they mean to Trump supporters to guess at why they were chosen
Or they could have been chosen as the Seven 'countries of concern' already identified for additional visa controls under the anti terrorist measures taken by the Obama government
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/dhs-announces-further-travel-restrictions-visa-waiver-program
So, given that fact, perhaps you would like to expand on your theory?
aracer - MemberGood point - the 911 attackers would of course be banned by this new law wouldn't they?
I think your sarcasm might have been to subtle tbh so just for the hard of thinking, no. 15 were saudis, 2 were from the UAE, 1 was from egypt, 1 was from lebanon, absolutely none would have been affected. I know you know this but part of the scam here is that many people will assume otherwise.
I was curious how many terrorist killings would have been prevented. Hands up anyone who's surprised to hear it's zero. Nobody?
The statistics are clear. The idea that anyone on American soil is in any significant danger from Muslim immigrant terrorists is laughable.
But those who support Trump don't care about statistics. They care about how they feel. And they "feel" under threat from alien forces, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
But those who support Trump don't care about statistics. They care about how they feel. And they "feel" under threat from alien forces, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Then, as pointed out, why were the seven countries concerned identified as 'countries of concern' under anti-terrorist legislation issued by the [b]Obama[/b] government?
(Edit, sorry, six of the seven, the executive order adds Syria to the other six)
Many of those criticising President Trump now on BBC news are saying they Might be prevented from going to USA. These people have Not even go there yet but have already started using their foresight to predict that they would be banned.
Best tell you bbf Jamba on the Euro thread as all he can say in regard to Brexshit is whit might/could or even mybe happen, here it seems OK to accept it as some form of fact.
#Poppycock
No-one could possibly argue against that, very sensible.
<eagerly awaiting ninfan>
I think your sarcasm might have been to subtle
I expected it was, but was sure somebody would take it seriously and give a chance to clarify 😉
captainsasquatch - Member
Best tell you bbf Jamba on the Euro thread as all he can say in regard to Brexshit is whit might/could or even mybe happen, here it seems OK to accept it as some form of fact.
#Poppycock
It is true that people are banned from those countries that is to be banned. True.
Not true when people are commenting from BBC studios. Not true.
Regarding EU true. Leave that to the EU thread.
<eagerly awaiting ninfan>
Oops, almost forgot, or chewy
It is true that people are banned for those countries that is to be banned. True.
But how does that [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/donald-trump/page/146#post-8249925 ]chime with what this guy is saying[/url]? Are you saying this individual is actually wrong, and they are just commentating on things they don't have any knowledge of?
aracer - Member
<eagerly awaiting ninfan>
Oops, almost forgot, or chewy
Crikey some of you lots do get excited whenever President Trump does something. Even I cannot keep up with the repeated reactions from the threads.
aracer - Member
have already started using their foresight to predict that they would be banned
This is because they're capable of basic logic
It is perfectly logical. They are banned for 3 months. Banned for 3 months.
Which part of the logic of 'banned for 3 months' do they not comprehend?
It is what USA is doing get over it.
Jamie - Member
It is true that people are banned for those countries that is to be banned. True.
But how does that chime with what this guy is saying? Are you saying this individual is actually wrong, and they are just commentating on things they don't have any knowledge of?
Who? That Mo bloke? Has he applied to go to Merica for training yet or is he just commenting?
I thought he has retired so no more Merican training?
Apply to go to Merican first then talk.
As for the ban that's exactly what President Trump said. It's 3 months ban ... true.
It is true that people are banned from those countries that is to be banned. True.Not true when people are commenting from BBC studios. Not true.
Regarding EU true. Leave that to the EU thread.
😯 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
captainsasquatch - Member
I am glad you have finally agreed with me.
See, it's not that hard isn't it.
True.
250000 signatures on petition to cancel his state visit !
Great Kudos indeed for T May ! 😆
I am glad you have finally agreed with me.
How can I agree? I haven't got a clue what you said. 🙄
...whereas they would have been deterred if they'd know that Iraq was going toasted?
I don't think you understand terrorism.
Who? That Mo bloke? Has he applied to go to Merica for training yet or is he just commenting?
He is based in the US. His family live there. Not being there at the moment means he can't go.
cchris2lou - Member250000 signatures on petition to cancel his state visit !
Great Kudos indeed for T May !
😆 ^^^ ... nearly 64.1 million people in the UK ...
Does petition work in France? Coz me French mates would like to sign one too to tell the French President to limit some migration.
He is based in the US. His family live there. Not being there at the moment means he can't go.
This is all mentioned on previous pages. It's more I am doing an experiment, in to just how much chewkwk is cherry picking/ignoring bits of the thread. It appears to be bad enough that he is not worth engaging with. I know on the surface that statement seems obvious, but doesn't hurt to check.
Jamie - Member
This is all mentioned on previous pages. It's more I am doing an experiment, in to just how much chewkwk is cherry picking/ignoring bits of the thread. It appears to be bad enough that he is not worth engaging with. I know on the surface that statement seems obvious, but doesn't hurt to check.
Non-issue, especially when he can train in other parts of the world.
slowoldman - Member
He is based in the US. His family live there. Not being there at the moment means he can't go.
Not the end of the world.
Train somewhere else or be with his family.
Non-issue.
Jamie - Member
This is all mentioned on previous pages. [b]It's more I am doing an experiment, in to just how much chewkwk is cherry picking/ignoring bits of the thread.[/b] It appears to be bad enough that he is not worth engaging with. I know on the surface that statement seems obvious, but doesn't hurt to check.
chewkw - MemberNon-issue, especially when he can train in other parts of the world.
Genuine LOL
Couldn't get the same "medical" support elsewhere.
Maybe Russia, possibly.
But not as easily as it used to be.
😉
loum - Member
Couldn't get the same "medical" support elsewhere.
Maybe Russia, possibly.
But not as easily as it used to be.
How about the Kenyans?
Many world class distance runners come from Kenya.
Do you think Kenyans train in Merica?
piemonster - Member
Genuine LOL
I don't have to cherry pick because the answer is so easy. True. 😛
Chewey, there are 65000 people an hour signing the petition at the moment. It's at 340000 now.
There seems to be some confusion at the top in the White House, the chief of staff is saying green card holders will be allowed in, in direct contradiction of the executive order.
Look up empathy in the dictionary chewkw, how would you feel if through no fault of your own you might not be allowed to go to your home and see your family.
Chewk breXi zombie how you feel when cowboy says he don't want you in uk land?
True
False
jimw - Member
Chewey, there are 65000 people an hour signing the petition at the moment. It's at 340000 now.
Keep signing ... as there are nearly 64.1 million people in the UK ...
If that is democracy then it will also work in future where the minority kick up a big fuss opposing your preferred system.
Yes, do it set the precedent that the louder you shout with lesser number the more you will achieve in a democratic country.
There seems to be some confusion at the top in the White House, the chief of staff is saying green card holders will be allowed in, in direct contradiction of the executive order.
That is for them to sort out and certainly not the affairs of other nations.
akira - Member
Look up empathy in the dictionary chewkw, how would you feel if through no fault of your own you might not be allowed to go to your home and see your family.
I choose.
My family come to me
or
I stay where I am for 3 months until the ban is over.
Any of the above choice is better than seeing my entire family in harms' way.
I go home. True.zippykona - Member
Chewk breXi zombie how you feel when cowboy says he don't want you in uk land?
piemonster - Member
True
False
😆
I was going to add my name to the petition but then read the reason for it.
Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen.
FFS! Because it would embarrass the queen? What about the rest of us who need to pay for the bloody thing?
km79 - Member
FFS! Because it would embarrass the queen? What about the rest of us who need to pay for the bloody thing?
Who are you?
What is your name?
As for the Queen, she is "Elizabeth II has been Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand since 6 February 1952." (Ref: Wiki)
upto 386,206 on the petition