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I see May has stopped defending him and finally made a meally mouthed condemnation of Trump's ridiculous policy.

Being the first leader to meet him looking even stupider now.

On the plus side May is being exposed as out of her depth and incompetent in a way we've not seen since ...... she was foreign secretary.

Has Trump tweeted about the judge decision yet?
That should send him into overdrive.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
All quiet, must have lost his phone charger during the move

Like Hitler, they don't want to wake him up.

" May ... she was foreign secretary"

Cite!

Couldn't they have achieved almost the same thing without the total incompetent disaster element by just not granting visas to the relevant applicants? Yes, there'd be a short delay while people with previously granted visas travelled but that's not a significant drawback.

Yeah my bad !

May as HOME Secretary at least she only tried it with some shitstirring vans

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She should have warned trump how much trouble that caused her.

Good advice from the US Dept of Defence....

Social media postings sometimes provide an important window into a person’s #mentalhealth. Know what to look for. https://t.co/B0tPAHwjVK https://t.co/AbXrw2QhQd

An order to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to come up with a plan within 30 days to defeat so-called Islamic State

"The feeling of injustice is so big, and this ban is so demeaning! Shame!" - Syrian scientist working on skin cancer research and living in Germany who now finds she cannot travel to Philadelphia in February to visit colleagues.

"Dreams shattered" - cardiology fellow from Jordan whose Syrian wife's family cannot come to visit in the US.

"We may try our chances with other countries" - Iranian professional in Washington DC, whose wife is now stuck in Iran.

Visa/travel ban is a 90 day order. It quite rational that just because one person is in the US that their whole extended family does not have a right to visit the US. Trump said he would impose restrictions "until we figure out what is going on"

I see May has stopped defending him and finally made a meally mouthed condemnation of Trump's ridiculous policy.

It must be difficult for her because I'm pretty sure she'd leap at the opportunity to do exactly the same.

An order to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to come up with a plan within 30 days to defeat so-called Islamic State

Wait, you mean that all we needed was a plan and the problem would have been solved?

The man really is as thick as two short planks.

Really Jamba? us military veterans have been denied entry despite having green cards. US government employees have been denied entry despitehaving green cards.

It quite rational

😯

So jambalaya, if you had relatives in a foreign country would you be happy if they couldn't visit you. Also how many people in the US have been killed by terrorists from the banned countries?

Madeline Albright a real hawk of a republican has condemned it unreservedly and has said she will register as a muslim and encourages everyone else to do the same. The daughter of Jewish refugees from Czechoslovakia.

It quite rational that just because one person is in the US that their whole extended family does not have a right to visit the US

A vet from Glasgow says she is "upset" and "afraid" after being prevented from flying to the US under President Donald Trump's executive order barring people from several Muslim countries.
Hamaseh Tayari, who holds an Iranian passport, had been due to fly home from a holiday in Costa Rica via New York.
But she has been told she cannot fly to the USA because of the order.
The American president said the measures would "keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the US".
The 90-day travel ban affects nationals from Syria, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.

jambalaya - Member

Trump said he would impose restrictions "until we figure out what is going on"

It seems reasonable if he can't figure out what is going on.

"It's also not legal to use country of origin as a basis for immigration selection in the US and even transiting through."

I don't doubt it but can you cite your source.

as tweeted byTory MP Nadhim Zahawi

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Afaic Theresa May has shamed herself and her country

The question is will she admit she was wrong?

It seems reasonable if he can't figure out what is going on.

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akira - Member

Also how many people in the US have been killed by terrorists from the banned countries?

To be fair trump did say that he doesn't know what's going on, apparently he'll have a better idea after 90 days.

Give the man a chance to find out what's going on.

Can't find the article, was on the other computer a bit earlier today though I will post if I can find it.
Anyway quick summary of Trump's business dealings with the countries not on the list
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-muslim-ban-excludes-countries-linked-businesses-article-1.2957956

Loving reading the increasingly absurd defences, by his apologists, of Trumps absurd behaviour. Keep it up boys! Sad.

So living in the US you are 15 times more likely to be killed by lighting than by an Islamic Jihadist immigrant?

It turns out that the Westboro Baptist Church were right after all - God does hate America

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My only concern, other than chekwk's silence, is whether this bombastic act is being done purely to distract or water down the reaction to what is coming.

Jamie - I doubt he is that clever personally. Those with personality disorders have no idea how normal folk think and anything they say, do or think is always right in their eyes.

The thing is Ernie he should be listening to the people who do know what's going on instead of the motley crew of racists and mentalists he's surrounded himself with.

Can't wait till he comes to meet the queen

It'll nicely tarnish the Windsors as well as our PM as she fawns over him

And there may be the odd protestor too!

Jamie - I doubt he is that clever personally.

Chewwy? He very clearly craves attention, I am staggered by how willingly people are prepared to give it to him, and how seriously many people are in their responses.

Manipulating people to that level requires a certain level of intellectual skill imo.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-deportations-stay-federal-judge-a7551546.html

At least someone in the US has a grasp of their own constitution.

Chewwy? He very clearly craves attention, I am staggered by how willingly people are prepared to give it to him, and how seriously many people are in their responses.

Chewwy?

No, Trump.

Chewkwk is purely a comedic foil for this thread. Which is not to disregard an opposing point of view as comical, but he is obviously contrary just for the sake of it.

Can't wait till he comes to meet the queen

You wait until he finds out just radicalise the UK has become. Police no go Muslim areas in UK cities, as Trump helpfully informed the world during his election campaign? The Queen doesn't even wear a crown anymore preferring a hijab instead.

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Hmm...

What links The Queen, this pic, and Donald Trump?

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WTF did you come from? 🙂

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My mummy's tummy...

Yay! This thread needed some momentum 🙂

but he is obviously contrary just for the sake of it.

Jamie - I doubt he is that clever personally. Those with personality disorders have no idea how normal folk think and anything they say, do or think is always right in their eyes.

Who voted for Trump?
Which candidate "understood" normal folk better?
What is populism all about?
Who is the "clever" one?

Which candidate "understood" normal folk better?

Did he actually understand anything? Or was he in the right place at the right time?

Chewkwk is purely a comedic foil for this thread. Which is not to disregard an opposing point of view as comical, but he is obviously contrary just for the sake of it.

Not sure about comedic but it'd be boring if we all just agreed all the time.

I have no doubt at all that Trump is highly intelligent. I'm not qualified to comment on his mental health but it sounds reasonable to suggest that he has some sort of personality disorder.

EDIT: To be clear by highly intelligent I'm not suggesting he is a "genius", I'm thinking more the level of intelligence which perhaps 25-33% of the population have.

Teamhurtmore, more people voted for Hillary, trump has a golden toilet, also he's an idiot. More questions? And if you're asking why he's an idiot I'm basing it on what he does and what he says which seems like a fair way to make a judgement.

so which candidate managed his first week without being slapped down in court... first of many I think

He undertood how to play the game and how to use social media. The result was extremely ugly but remarkably effective. As appaling as Trump is, merely dismissing him is crass stupidity in its own right.

It's important to underhand how the serial BSers are succeding and why - Trump, Btexshiteers, Scot nats* - in order to effectively counter this dark development of post truth politics.

* obviously they take it too far and get caught with their pants down, but same principle.

It's not Trump I'm worried about, Pence and Bannon with any power is frankly a terrifying thing.

Correct Aira more people did vote for Hillary, true. So what. The rules of the game are different.

My question was about so-called "Normal people" (whatever that means? )

The irony of the phrase when applied to people who voted for Trump is delicious

teamhurtmore - Member

As appaling as Trump is, merely dismissing him is crass stupidity in its own right.

And was instrumental in helping win the presidential election.

It's important to underhand how the serial BSers are succeding and why - Trump, Btexshiteers, Scot nats* - in order to effectively counter this dark development of post truth politics.

You missed out the obvious one......the Tories.

Or were you only listing people who you disagree with?

Weak effort Ernie, they or at least many of them are in the second category. Obviously unless you are simply one of the normal folk.....? 😉

I made no effort at all, I simply pointed out that obvious bullshitters are Tory governments. It was incredibly easy to do and required no effort.

Jamie - Member
My only concern, other than chekwk's silence, is whether this bombastic act is being done purely to distract or water down the reaction to what is coming.

tjagain - Member
Jamie - I doubt he is that clever personally.

This shit getting still getting trotted out... 🙁 He's running rings round everbody.

What links The Queen, this pic, and Donald Trump

I've no idea, but it makes you think

I made no effort at all

Clearly

Joe, some shit never changes!

speaking of empowering the loonballs in this country, oh look there's farage on my tele again, looking like a smug Cheshire cat..

He's running rings round everbody.

Joe, read Aaaron Banks book if you want to feel dismayed about bloody Farage - I am about 40% through, it's completingly awful...

mikewsmith - Member
The real question is when do the Republicans get sick

thm, I'll have a look, dunno if i could stomach it though. 😆

The next offer they get is going to be materially worse.

Trump said he would impose restrictions "until we figure out what is going on"

The man really is as thick as two short planks.

Anyway this demonstrates all these executive orders are bluster to make it look as though he's doing stuff:
"In the latest three executive orders to be signed by Mr Trump, the president said that within 30 days he needed proposals for taking the fight to the Islamic extremists".
Why does this need an executive order? He's just saying "look at me, look at me".

I'm reading it that the only part of this order to have been suspended is the detention at airports and possible deportation - not the suspension of entry as a whole?

seosamh77 - Member

He's running rings round everbody.

Is he? What do you call "running rings"?

So far in just a few days he has received global condemnation from foreign leaders and politicians, even a British Tory prime minister has been forced to distance herself from him.

A US Fed. judge has put a bar on Trump's deportation order.

US-Mexican relations are at their worse in a hundred and fifty years.

And despite starting the job with the worse approval ratings of any former US president since records began he's managed in a week to see his approval ratings slump even further.....a great honeymoon period!

[url= http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gallup-trump-approval-rating-falls-week-one ]Gallup: Trump Net Approval Rating Drops 8 Points In First Week In Office[/url]

If this is him "running rings round everybody" I can't wait to see what will happen if he stops running rings round everybody.

He has been there a week, within that week he has managed to launch a policy that lasted about 4hrs and is tied to his bank balance, approve a pipeline for a company he invests in, whats for the encore?

teamhurtmore - Member

I made no effort at all

Clearly

Not when it comes to you mate. In fact it's so easy that it's almost unfair.

Odd that you keep getting it wrong then, eh? .....mate 😉

Anyway let's not derail the thread, you may have the final losing retort...

Well imo, because he's successfully managed to get everyone all up in arms and cause all the noise. At the moment he's just pretending to fulfil his "campaign promises". He's creating (in collusion with the hysterical left picking up on every trivial little thing) that much noise that by the time he starts trying to implement his real polices in 6 months/1 year/2 years time, I get the impression everyone will be fatigued by then, or at least so normalised to scandal that they'll not even notice.

The interesting thing is when normal folk realise that they have been sold snake oil...

Should be the Scots first, then the Americans and finally us poor UK citizens as Brexshit will stretch out longest

"trivial little thing"?

What would you judge as a non trivial thing then? Perhaps an A-bomb attack on Mexico??

maxtorque - Member
"trivial little thing"?

Non trival is the muslim ban and the dakota pipeline. Please do get angry about those.

Mexico, well considering he wants to rip up nafta anyhow and redo it, that's just a negotiating tactic, well need to wait and see on that one.

Yeah, he's 'making America great again'.........he's just playing a very long game. Alienating the whole world and much of his own citizens is obviously part of his grand plan.

If you believe that then you are as gullible as his most ardent supporters.

teamhurtmore - Member

Should be the Scots first, then the Americans and finally us poor UK citizens as Brexshit will stretch out longest

FFS you're like a stuck record THM.

ernie_lynch - Member
Yeah, he's 'making America great again'.........he's just playing a very long game. Alienating the whole world and much of his own citizens is obviously part of his grand plan.

If you believe that then you are as gullible as his most ardent supporters.

I just don't believe he's publicised the real policies, you know the ones he actually wants to see implemented.

FFS you're like a stuck record THM.

Kind of JHJ without the sense of humour 🙂

You're both too kind 😉

seosamh77 - Member

I just don't believe he's publicised the real policies, you know the ones he actually wants to see implemented.

Without telling me to do my own research can you give me some sort of hint concerning what these real unpublicised policies might be?

I'm reading it that the only part of this order to have been suspended is the detention at airports and possible deportation - not the suspension of entry as a whole?

It appears they can still be detained, just not deported while the case is resolved.

While the judge’s ruling means that none of the detainees will be sent back immediately, lawyers for the plaintiffs in the case expressed concern that all those at the airports would now be put in detention, pending a resolution of the case.

Well imo, because he's successfully managed to get everyone all up in arms and cause all the noise. At the moment he's just pretending to fulfil his "campaign promises". He's creating (in collusion with the hysterical left picking up on every trivial little thing) that much noise that by the time he starts trying to implement his real polices in 6 months/1 year/2 years time, I get the impression everyone will be fatigued by then, or at least so normalised to scandal that they'll not even notice.

I was just thinking the same thing. I can't believe no one around Trump knew the supreme court would block the ban. I can't help but feel it's a diversionary tactic for something [possibly] worse.

Well imo, because he's successfully managed to get everyone all up in arms and cause all the noise.

That's not running rings round people. I can achieve the same by walking into work an hour late tomorrow. Call them all a bunch of ****s, defecate in reception and leave with my soiled trousers round my ankles.

As for his policies, my guess is he is just starting to realise just how much he will have to work with others. What th at does yo his policies remain to be seen.

I get the impression everyone will be fatigued by then

I reckon they won't tbh. Joe Public maybe, but politicians etc no.

If only Tom Hanks hadn't foreseen the comedic outcome:

ernie_lynch - Member
seosamh77 - Member
I just don't believe he's publicised the real policies, you know the ones he actually wants to see implemented.

Without telling me to do my own research can you give me some sort of hint concerning what these real unpublicised policies might be?

I've no idea, I could speculate, but I think it's better to watch closely and filter out the bullshit till the direction of travel becomes clear..