And to Donald Trump.
You always have to be on guard against fascists like [s]trump and farage.[/s] nifan.Please call me a leftie nifan..I need some flattery.
Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and Tito were lefties as well. do we need to be on our guard against people like them too?
I agree completely - many a leftie has been a dictator.
Same as many a man has been a serial killer. Doesn't mean one has to be associated by default to a particular behaviour of said category.
Extremists are like shit. Spread out they do a bit of good but in a pile they stink.
Soooo, May (the female pm) is fair game for anal jokes now that she held Trump's hand.May's ass got patriarched
And to think that some of you didn't believe in #WomensMarch.
Don't worry, it's only locker room talk, so it doesn't count....
Putin must be laughing himself hoarse over Trump's latest stupidity - US alienates every Muslim in the known universe from ISIS terrorists to little old ladies, queues form at the recruiting offices of every bunch of nutjobs in the region, and in the space vacated by Washington, a hungry bear licks its chops!
Why arent Saudi's on his banned list?
Because they've got loads of oil. And money.
cause it's just the first attack against iran, and the saudis are the "good guys" in that particular fight.wilburt - Member
Why arent Saudi's on his banned list?
Iran is the ultimate prize here.
So if there's no terrorist attack on the US over the next few months Trump claims victory. If there is an attack then Trump claims his measures have been vindicated and extends the ban to anyone who looks a funny colour (except orange), anyone with a funny sounding name and anyone who dresses funny. Unless they've got oil.
Meanwhile those who seek to radicalise have a clear message about US (sic) and Them, making their task easier.
And if some crazy white American goes on a shooting spree killing innocent people Trump will stand up for the right to bear arms and defend the American way,leaving weapons in the hands of anyone who wants them.
Don't make no sense.
Why arent Saudi's on his banned list?
Duh! Because the Saudi government is stable and is working in conjunction with the US to offer effective pre-visa vetting of their citizens.
Hardly rocket surgery is it?
You might also notice that he hasn't introduced restrictions on Indonesia (largest Muslim population in the world) ****stan (second), India (third) or Bangladesh (fourth) - so far from 'alienating every Muslim in the known universe' he has completely left alone the 43% of global Muslims living in those four countries alone.
Still, we wouldn't want any inconvenient facts to get in the way of outraged virtue-signalling leftie rhetoric, would we?
"You might also notice that he hasn't introduced restrictions on Indonesia (largest Muslim population in the world) ****stan (second), India (third) or Bangladesh (fourth) - so far from 'alienating every Muslim in the known universe' he has completely left alone the 43% of global Muslims living in those four countries alone."
I hadn't noticed that, good point.
I thought he had a problem with people who cut other people's heads off? Or was he himself virtue signalling when he said
"When they're chopping off the heads of our people, and other people... when ISIS is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since medieval times, would I feel strongly about waterboarding? As far as I'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire,"
Where did the 9-11 hijackers come from? Who's bank rolling ISIS and that chap Bin Laden where did he come from?
He hasn't banned people from those countries because he has business interests in them.
He hasn't banned people from those countries because he has business interests in them.
I'd assumed he hasn't banned them because the US doesn't get refugee applications from them. It's crude and unfair instrument, but I presume that he doesn't want to admit folk without adequate documentation/proof of identity.
You might also notice that he hasn't introduced restrictions on Indonesia (largest Muslim population in the world) ****stan (second), India (third) or Bangladesh (fourth) - so far from 'alienating every Muslim in the known universe' he has completely left alone the 43% of global Muslims living in those four countries alone.
Aah I see. So Muslims in the countries not named by Trump will be perfectly fine with the persecution of their co-religionists.
Still, don't let common sense get in the way of your silly trolling.
I'd assumed he hasn't banned them because the US doesn't get refugee applications from them. It's crude and unfair instrument, but I presume that he doesn't want to admit folk without adequate documentation/proof of identity.
That's a total non-sequitur. The people banned are not just refugees - they even include Green Card holders.
The prime minister of Bangladesh doesn't seem to be one of those he has "alienated" with his "anti-Muslim rhetoric"
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Err - that is dated in November last year...
That's a total non-sequitur. The people banned are not just refugees - they even include Green Card holders.
It's a poorly implemented (interim) policy, with side effects that were either unintended, or considered acceptable to achieve the goal.
Its a clear piece of propaganda driven nonsense. Refugees and muslims are not the problem.
It's a poorly implemented (interim) policy, with side effects that were either unintended, or considered acceptable to achieve the goal.
I'm sure the folk now prevented from getting back to their families, jobs and classrooms will take a similarly enlightened view.
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You might also notice that he hasn't introduced restrictions on Indonesia (largest Muslim population in the world) ****stan (second), India (third) or Bangladesh (fourth) - so far from 'alienating every Muslim in the known universe' he has completely left alone the 43% of global Muslims living in those four countries alone.
I would have thought that Muslims around the world would band together in this complete and utter absurdity. I would also have thought that your average Trump voter won't have the brains to tell the difference between an Indonsian and Syrian, once they hear the word Muslim.
I would hope that all Muslims are indeed affronted.
I'm happy to join anyone who condems terrorists, except those that I think are freedom fighters.
I'm sure the folk now prevented from getting back to their families, jobs and classrooms will take a similarly enlightened view.
What's your problem? Is this your normal method of engagement?
I'm just posting the explanation, not advocating it.
Muslims around the world would band together
You think that Trump stopping refugees coming in will change 1300 years of Muslims killing each other?
You think that Trump stopping refugees coming in will change 1300 years of Muslims killing each other?
If the Catholics and Protestants can do it, who knows?
Still, don't let common sense get in the way of your silly trolling.
why was the point being made silly trolling ? It seemed perfectly reasonable to me. Muslims aren't a single entity, some unaffected might be upset but many others won't be.
Still, we wouldn't want any inconvenient facts to get in the way of outraged virtue-signalling leftie rhetoric, would we?
I'm pretty neutral politically, but on this thread the above is becoming all to true, IMHO.
[quote=ernie_lynch ]Trump would have fully understood the significance of leading Theresa May by the hand in front of the world's photographers and TV cameras.Or he was, you know, being polite and gentlemanly.
he is , you know, well known for being polite and gentlemanly
So now Theresa May refusing to condemn Trumps actions drags her into his latest debacle.
Always wash your hands after touching something shitty!
The China situation could get very interesting.
Wait....so Sir Mo Farrah is now banned from the US?
Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and Tito were lefties as well. do we need to be on our guard against people like them too?
The far left and far right have more in common with each other than the rest of the political spectrum.
This is why Ernie can't bring himself to condemn Trump, despite being a rabid anti-semite.
Jamie - Member
Wait....so Sir Mo Farrah is now banned from the US?
If he is traveling on British Passport no, otherwise, yes. 🙄
Mercia can ban who they want and as they like, nothing to do with the rest of the world.
Aah I see. So Muslims in the countries not named by Trump will be perfectly fine with the persecution of their co-religionists.
Still, don't let common sense get in the way of your silly trolling.
Not to mention the racist fervour such policies incite.
Tom - that is libelous. Ernie may be many things but he is not a bigot in any form. He, like I, and many other abhor what the Israeli state is doing to the Palestinians but that does not make us anti semites. It makes us people who hate injustice and the apartheid state Israel has become
Only took a few hours
http://www.caller.com/story/news/2017/01/28/victoria-mosque-destroyed-early-morning-blaze/97183106/
If he is traveling on British Passport no, otherwise, yes
You sure about that?
Like really really, sure?
As an aside, being giving the rolly eyes treatment by Chekwk. Heh.
he must have a gb passport as he is in the gb squad , but hopefully he will boycot the USA .
"polite and gentlemanly"
Funnily enough, it seems he is:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5d8zop/serious_people_who_have_met_or_dealt_with_donald/
Ernie may be many things but he is not a bigot in any form
You don't think that Ernie is just a little bit intolerant of those holding different opinions?
he must have a gb passport as he is in the gb squad , but hopefully he will boycot the USA .
Doesn't he live there (Farah)?
Well it seems that Most Farrah is included
Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi also believes he is
Yet still May is too cowardly to condemn trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/british-citizens-hit-donald-trumps-visa-ban
"born in or are citizens of Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen."
I guess Mo falls under the 'born in' category.
Doesn't he live there (Farah)?
Yup. Currently lives in Oregon, near his coach and Nike HQ.
He's currently training in Ethiopia for 2 weeks, then racing in the UK, but will at some point need to return [i]home[/i].
It's cool guys, it'll all be sorted once he "figures out what the heck is going on".
it has been confirmed that it applies to people with dual nationality .
Oh indeed ninfan. And self righteous and all sorts of things. The cad called my a wishy washy pale pink liberal for goodness sake. BUt he is not a bigot by his postings on here
Tom - that is libelous. Ernie may be many things but he is not a bigot in any form. He, like I, and many other abhor what the Israeli state is doing to the Palestinians but that does not make us anti semites. It makes us people who hate injustice and the [b]apartheid state[/b] Israel has become
You where doing OK till that last part. Israel is the best place in the Middle East for a Muslim Arab to live. Especially a homosexual or transgender one. Best health care, best human rights, open democracy. Isreal has proven how effective walls are against terrorism effectively shutting down the suicide bombers on the early 2000's. Netanyahu told Trump how effective the walls/border Israel have built in the South at keeping out illegal migrants from Africa.
The Palestinians have rejected deal after deal and each time the deal has got worse. If they where offered the 1948 deal again they'd jump at it. Trump is going to move the process forward in a way which is will make the Palestinians realise their past folly in rejecting numerous prior offers.
This is why Ernie can't bring himself to condemn Trump, despite being a rabid anti-semite.
Ernie isn't anti-Semitic and neither is Trump (daughter converted and married to fairly Orthodox Jew, Jewish Treasury Secretary (previously senior person in Trump campaign), very pro-Israel ambassador to both UN amd Israel itself etc etc). Trumpmis going to move the relationship between the US and Israel much further forward and much closer than it has been for the past 8 years under Obama
Trump is going to move the process forward in a way which is will make the Palestinians realise their past folly in rejecting numerous prior offers.
That sounds just like the kind of chilling threat Trump would make, only a bit more verbose, obvs 😉
Its blindingly obvious that his muslim ban is manna from heaven for islamist recruiters, there will be a hardening in the arab world, israel will feel it, there will be more bloodshed, the cycle of violence will continue
Mexican are suicide bombers ?
and Trump forgot to mention the jews on Holocaust day . Not sure that went down too well .
Jamba - even for you that is ridiculous.
cchris2lou - Member
and Trump forgot to mention the jews on Holocaust day . Not sure that went down too well .
Oh Im sure it was received exactly as [s]that shitweasel and anti semite[/s] Steve Bannon intended
Well played (on the verbose). For the Palestinians it is chilling I am sorry to say. Abbas is 80 no one believes he can negotiate anything which will last. Hamas just want to fight amd destroy Israel. That's not going to end well. If you look back at what the Palestinians could have had as a state in 1948 it's very depressing for them, they have been consistently poorly lead. Imappreciate they with Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordon thought they could obliterate Israel and "have it all" but it hasn't worked out for them and now the others have moved on leaving them isolated.
Trump is going to base his view of Israel on Judea, the Jewish land of the old Testament from 1000BC
Tom_W1987 - MemberThis is why Ernie can't bring himself to condemn Trump
I have [i]repeatedly[/i] described Trump as "odious and obnoxious".
I have [i]repeatedly[/i] pointed out that Trump has "boasted of sexually assaulting women, and mocks the disabled".
I have [i]repeatedly[/i] described Trump as a bigot and a racist.
I have [i]repeatedly[/i] pointed out that Trump has sown devision and hatred.
And you are waiting for me to condemn him? 😆
Tom mate, you are starting to sound as ridiculous as ninfan.
Hi Ernie! You tell 'em!
Trump is going to base his view of Israel on Judea, the Jewish land of the old Testament from 1000BC
well good job trump isnt going to base his actions on what genetics has shown us- that the ashkenazi jews originated in southern turkey, Erdogan would have to unleash all those warplanes we just sold him
The live streams of the demonstrations at JFK right now against Trumps latest ignominy are quite inspiring , its great to see so many people united against the kind of bigotry and stupidity Trump and his fanboys on here represent.
I have to say I hve seen many ridiculous things on STW and on this thread but Jambas assertion that " Israel is the best place in the Middle East for a Muslim Arab to live. Especially a homosexual or transgender one. Best health care, best human rights, open democracy" and toms assertion that Ernie is an antisemite are probably unbeatable.
Talking about stupidity, not only was his daughter registered to vote in two states during the election, but so were Bannon, Spicer, Kushner and Mnuchin
Jamba - this is the remains of the hospital and university in Gaza after the israelis made sure they all had good healthcare
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TJ the Isrealis built a hospital in Gaza prior to their withdrawl in 2005, in order to protect against Egyptain attacks much is underground. Hamas use much of the space now for military purposes. Hamas use UN schools, residential areas and hospitals to store and launch missiles. I can post you a link of Isreali's treating injured Syrians who approach the border for assistance.
Obama has been the most pro-Palestinian President since Carter (Bush would not even say the word). The Palestinians continue to make bad choices, sadly it's my belief they will regret very much not moving forward with negotiations in 2014. The next offer they get is going to be materially worse.
Trumps first Weekly Address
It’s only been a week and his hair’s already getting lazy. I give it a month before it’s fallen off the top and cascading down his back, in solidarity with his voting public.
And I can quote the ex-heads of Shin Bet who say things like
"We are making the lives of millions unbearable, into prolonged human suffering, [and] it kills me," Carmi Gillian
and
"[We’ve become] a brutal occupation force similar to the Germans in World War II," Avraham Shalom
A Syrian family with visas to travel to the US was prevented from boarding a flight bound from Paris to Atlanta on Saturday, and returned to their departure airport of Beirut, Lebanese airport sources said.Cairo airport officials said five Iraqi passengers and one Yemeni were barred from boarding an EgyptAir flight to New York despite holding valid US visas.
Two Iraqi men, a former US government worker and the husband of a former US security contractor, who had visas to enter America, were also detained on Friday night (local time) at a New York airport.
One of the men has since been released, and immigration lawyers have lodged a lawsuit on their behalf.
Two travellers with dual Canadian and Iranian citizenship were also barred from boarding planes in Canada that were headed to the US, officials said.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-29/trump-immigration-crackdown-causes-chaos-panic-anger-worldwide/8220808?pfmredir=sm
"It's working out very nicely. You see it at the airports, you see it all over," Mr Trump said, after denying the immigration halt was a Muslim ban.
Quite simply he is a piece of shit. A racist who likes to see people suffer.
He is going to have to build a wall with Canada too after their PM said he was welcoming people turned away from the US .
So that's a friend of mine banned from entering America. His job? International student recruitment. He helps American kids study and work abroad and british kids study and work in America, he's a British citizen, but now he's been banned from the country to "prevent terrorism". If you can't see this is messed up, what hope for you?
If he is traveling on British Passport no, otherwise, yes. 🙄
I'm new to politics threads, so how does this work then? Does Chekwk post an apology, or just ignore the fact they were wrong, and pretend they never said something blatantly untrue?
No he just rants off in another direction like the other 2 attention seekers. Be sure though that their devotion to the dear leader is strong and unwavering.
The chewkw generator carries on regardless!Jamie - Member
If he is traveling on British Passport no, otherwise, yes.
I'm new to politics threads, so how does this work then? Does Chekwk post an apology, or just ignore the fact they were wrong, and pretend they never said something blatantly untrue?
Why would he apologise
It's apologising that lost lefties the election!
Why would he apologiseIt's apologising that lost lefties the election!
And racism, xenophobia, hate, division and lies that won it for him? You must be so proud. Now righties sounds wrong as a word how about fascists?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38786119 ]Scottish vet refused flight[/url]
I'm not bothered by trump sounding off with his irrational rants, that's to be expected as he's a ****ing balloon (as are those who place their trust in him) but I honestly thought there would be some form of checks & balance working behind the scenes of the whitehouse to dampen down his irrational rants and presidential orders but that appears to not be the case.
If the orange tinged ****er ever comes to Scotland again I'll try my damnest to ensure he gets a taste of his own policies, or I may just save a few foul eggs from the hens to pelt him with, should be more than worth a few days in jail to see him smacked in the face
and in what is unfortuinatly an entirely predictable outcome
When another person tried to calm him down, Brown said Rhodes moved away from the door and Khan ran out of the office. Rhodes followed her, got down on his knees and began to bow down in imitation of a Muslim praying, shouted obscenities and said "Trump is here now. He will get rid of all of you. You can ask Germany, Belgium and France about these kind of people. You see what happens," Brown said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/27/prosecutor-man-attacks-muslim-airline-employee-at-jfk.html
I honestly thought there would be some form of checks & balance working behind the scenes of the whitehouse to dampen down his irrational rants and presidential orders but that appears to not be the case.
I naively thought/hoped the same as I didn't fully understand the presidential orders bit. Glad we don't have these in the UK....
Glad we don't have these in the UK....
Just about sums up what the Supreme court said recently in the UK. Also good to see the US courts are happy to put a stop on the orders for a time and get some scrutiny on the legality of the order.
"I honestly thought there would be some form of checks & balance working behind the scenes"
Me too, and I think there still are:
http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2014/01/what-are-executive-orders-what-are-their-limits.html