Donald might have to have a [url= http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/21/president-elect-trump-raged-nbc-news-showed-photos-multiple-chins.html ]face lift/chin tuck[/url] for his own sanity 😆
where will his hairline end up if he has a face lift?top of his shoulders?
[url= http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/ ]more on mondays media "reset"[/url]
“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said, ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ”
Klunk what did they really expect, Trump is justified in critising many of the networks ? As for discussing access they should expect to find themselves at the back of the queue 😉
Diplomatic presidential address seeking consensus and respecting the "fourth arms"....nah not even you expected that.
They said he was petty mean and unforgiving prone to childish levels of anger and irascibility therefore what he really should do is do all of that at his first meeting and then berate them for bias ....if that wont win them over then what will?
So Trump won't pursue Hillary via a special prosecutor. My guess is Obama has told him unless he stated that publically he would grant her a Presidential Pardon. Messy business.
or more likely he only said it in the first place to drum up votes and had no intention of following through...have you not noticed hes not exactly been slow to backtrack on some of his other election pledges...
or maybe he realised it would be a total waste of time as the FBI had already investigated..
But .. back to your hunch, how could Obama pardon clinton, when she hasn't yet been charged with anything for him to pardon her for???? Would like that one explained to me...
have you not noticed hes not exactly been slow to backtrack on some of his other election pledges...
Now where have we seen that tactic before...
[img] 
[/img]
What exactly did Trump say pre-election that is going to be followed through on?
Seems like nothing.
or maybe he realised it would be a total waste of time as the FBI had already investigated..
... And found nothing.
#Mugged
captainsasquatch - Member
What exactly did Trump say pre-election that is going to be followed through on?
Drain the swamp.
Not going to be a quick process as the swamp is large and plenty of large alligators about. These gators need to be skinned ...
I bet they have but making it sticks might take sometime ...... And found nothing.
#Mugged
Drain the swamp.Not going to be a quick process as the swamp is large and plenty of large alligators about. These gators need to be skined ...
Was there ever a time when you were lucid?
Pre-lobotomy perhaps?
@tp a good question but from what I have read Obama could pardon her for any wrong doing in relation to the emails / server. Almost like an immunity to prosecution which people get all the time on issues, Tony Blair even did that with IRA suspects (ie suspects fhey had never been tried for anything)
I think you will find that is the standard description across Merican front for politicians.captainsasquatch - Member
Was there ever a time when you were lucid?
Pre-lobotomy perhaps?
Alligators = politicians.
What exactly did Trump say pre-election that is going to be followed through on?
[url= https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/13/donald-trump-plans-to-immediately-deport-2-to-3-million-undocumented-immigrants/ ]He's apparently still keen on[/url] deporting [i]"millions and millions of undocumented immigrants."..."people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, where a lot of these people, probably 2 million, it could be even 3 million"[/i]
I mean obviously that's going to be difficult, not least because the figures suggest there aren't actually that illegal immigrants with criminal records for him to deport.
But I'm sure he'll have a go.
Alligators = politicians.
So what exactly is he going to re-fill the swamp with then once all the politicians have been put against the wall? Apart from his own family I mean.
Would those nice alt-right National Policy Institute chaps in kimbers video be a good choice? Or just that sea of white male faces I posted before?
Do you really think that is better representative democracy than the current "swamp"?
The whole world is looking at him so I doubt he is going to be so naive to involve his family that much.GrahamS - Member
So what exactly is he going to re-fill the swamp with then once all the politicians have been put against the wall? Apart from his own family I mean.
I think he will choose them on merit so colour irrelevant rather than coincidence.Would those nice alt-right National Policy Institute chaps in kimbers video be a good choice? Or just that sea of white male faces I posted before?
The current Obama and associated swamp should go or should be replaced as much as possible. Coz they are turning into giant alligators.Do you really think that is better representative democracy than the current "swamp"?
The whole world is looking at him so I doubt he is going to be so naive to involve his family that much.
Really? [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-transition-team-family-children-ivanka-eric-jared-kushner-a7413701.html ]He appointed 16 people to his "transition team" and four of them were his immediate family (his daughter, two sons and his son-in-law).[/url]
He doesn't seem shy of nepotism.
I think he will choose them on merit so colour irrelevant rather than coincidence.
So do you think the reason there are almost no non-white faces in that photo (and the photo of the interns) is because non-whites just don't have what it takes? 😕
Did you watch kimbers video?
The current Obama and associated swamp should go or should be replaced as much as possible. Coz they are turning into giant alligators.
Replacing them with giant crocodiles doesn't seem like a great change to me.
And what about all the people from the 'swamp' he's given positions to?
Above the law much?
Trump on his businesses/conflict q's:
"The law's totally on my side, the president can't have a conflict of interest."
jambalaya - Member
So Trump won't pursue Hillary via a special prosecutor. My guess is Obama has told him unless he stated that publically he would grant her a Presidential Pardon. Messy business.
As was frequently pointed out he doesn't actually have the power to do what he wanted, something to do with a constitution and all that, congress might be able to but again since nothing has been found worthy of prosecution then a public vindication wouldn't do him much good. Besides what goes around comes around, I'm sure they will be taking notes...
As was frequently pointed out he doesn't actually have the power to do what he wanted, something to do with a constitution and all that...
That'll be the same constitution that gaurantees freedom of religious of expression without interference from the State.
Unless your Muslim obviously.
Yes his policies are full of flaws, which you would expect from somebody who surrounded themselves by yes men all their life. His AG is going to have a hard time and constitutional lawyers are going to be getting new beach houses.
And then wait for the backlash when he fails to deliver on all of this
What exactly did Trump say pre-election that is going to be followed through on?
He doesn't become President until January.
He has announed the Trans Pacific Trade Deal which Obama signed will be canned. The EU TTIP deal is dead too IMO and there is a decent chance he will re-write NAFTA and add the UK.
There will be a wall/fence - it will be paid for with new tariffs or fees on money transfers
There will be "extreme" vetting
There will be less US military involvement globally and imo he will get laggard nato members to spend more on defence.
Crystal ball again Jamby, he may want to re write NAFTA but any changes need the others to agree.
Wall/Fence yeah awesome, boom in the tunnel industry
Extreme vetting - of what kind? With a religious bias will hit a wall
He doesn't become President until January.
Exactly, then he has to deal with the party he supposidly represents and tricky little things like the law and international politics.
The wall thing will be downgraded further to a fence, possibly a hedge with some brambles in?
No one really knows if he will manage to keep any of his pledges he's been a joke so far,
Draining the swamp has become employ the same old republicans he railed against.
Lock her up was just his appeal to the misogynists and was a fantasy, even with the partisan FBI
If trade is going to involve ambassador farage he really doesn't have a ****ing clue!
He can't put his KKK supporters back in the box after using all that racist rhetoric to get their support.
for a reality TV star he can't handle the media very well (apart from his alt-right chums at Breitbart)
There's no point in interviewing him anyway because he says what he really thinks in his 3am tweet.
Possibly his best idea this week (stiff competition though) has been suggesting that his chinless wonder of a son-in-law is a good shout for negotiating a peace settlement between Israel and Palestine 😯
Yes, other will have to agree. They will agree.mikewsmith - Member
Crystal ball again Jamby, he may want to re write NAFTA but any changes need the others to agree.
Nothing wrong with extreme vetting at all. Who are going to oppose Merica? EU? 😆Extreme vetting - of what kind? With a religious bias will hit a wall
Even if it is flower bed they still need to cross it. The question is how good are they at crossing.kimbers - Member
The wall thing will be downgraded to a fence, possibly a hedge written since brambles in?
Didn't realise there was already 386 miles of wall in place
What a racist git Obama must be to have allowed that?
Assuming that any new fence/wall will require an access road for construction and inspection, it could give another great long distance MTB route to go with the Tour Divide 🙂
What a racist git Obama must be to have allowed that!
Most politicians from both sides were looking at ways to make immigration work, document those that were there and give them a pathway to citizenship, basic carrot and stick policies. Trump's policy is stick and stick.
The racist part came from his frankly racist remarks, and his past company policies that explicitly discriminated against people who were not white.
As usual
[img] 
[/img]
came from his frankly racist remarks,
Got any actual quotes there please?
QUOTE: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."WHEN AND WHERE: Trump made the remarks as he announced his run for the Republican nomination for president at Trump Tower Atrium in Manhattan on June 16, 2015 -- setting the tone for an unpredictable and polarizing campaign.
Trump has continued this week to defend his claim that he saw thousands celebrating, telling New Hampshire television news network NH1 on Tuesday, “If you look at for instance where I said the thousands of Muslims were cheering. It turned out to be true.”But despite Trump’s claims, no media outlet or Trump’s campaign has uncovered any reports from the time confirming that “thousands and thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the Sept. 11 attacks.
QUOTE: "I think Islam hates us," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper after he was asked whether he thinks Islam is at war with the West. "There's a tremendous hatred. We have to get to the bottom of it. There is an unbelievable hatred of us."
QUOTE: "I saw him. He was, you know, very emotional. And probably looked like -- a nice guy to me. His wife, if you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably -- maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say."WHEN AND WHERE: Trump made the comments about Khizr Khan, right, and his wife Ghazala on Friday, July 29, 2016, the day after Khan challenged the candidate while mourning his son on the final night of the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. Humayun Khan, a Muslim U.S. Army captain, was killed in Iraq in 2004. Trump, with his remarks to ABC News on Friday -- and which aired Sunday -- insinuated that Ghazala Khan had stood silently by her husband onstage because her Muslim faith does not encourage her to speak up. The mother explained that she was too distraught to speak with a huge photo of her son behind her at Wells Fargo Center.
[img]
[/img]
When asked to provide evidence for his claim that Latino immigrants crossing the border were rapists on CNN's "The Situation Room," Trump told host Don Lemon he got his information from a Fusion article.When Lemon corrected him -- explaining that article actually said 80 percent of women and girls from Central America are raped by human smugglers, gang members other migrants or government authorities while immigrating to the U.S. -- Trump shot back dismissing the victims and suggesting Latino immigrants were the ones raping the victims.
He Said His Followers Were “Passionate” After Being Told Two Men Beat A Hispanic Man In His Name
[img]
[/img]When award-winning Hispanic journalist Jorge Ramos attempted to ask Trump questions about his immigration stance during a press conference in Iowa, the presidential candidate refused to respond because he said Ramos had spoken out of turn. As Ramos attempted to finish his question, security approached him and physically removed him. Right before he was ejected from the conference, Trump told Ramos: "Go back to Univision." On the way out a Trump supporter confronted the journalist, a U.S. citizen, and said: "You were very rude. It's not about you. Get out of my country." Ramos was eventually allowed back into the press conference to ask his question.
and his history...
The FactsThe Justice Department lawsuit against Donald Trump, his father, Fred Trump, and the Trump company, which owned 39 buildings with 15,000 apartments, actually marks the first mention of Donald J. Trump in The New York Times. The front page headline on Oct. 16, 1973, said: “Major Landlord Accused of Antiblack Bias in City.” Regarding the charges, Trump was quoted: “They are absolutely ridiculous.”
According to Kranish and Fisher, the Justice Department lawsuit was “one of the most significant racial bias cases of the era.” It was based on evidence gathered by testers for the New York City Human Rights Commission, who documented that black people were told no apartments were available in Trump properties while white testers at the same time were immediately offered apartments. In a sampling of 10 Trump buildings, only 1 to 3.5 percent of the occupants were minorities, making it one of the strongest cases the Justice Department had ever seen for violations of the Fair Housing Act.
All the Justice Department wanted was to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. But Trump instead hired Roy Cohn, a notoriously combative attorney, and countersued the Justice Department for $100 million ($500 million in today’s dollars) for making false and misleading statements. But his allegations were dismissed by the courts, and two years of litigation later, Trump decided in 1975 to settle before the case went to trial.
so yeah I'll call him a racist, if he doesn't like it then he can get on with that.
So, comments about [b]some[/b] Mexicans - Mexico not being a race
Comments about Muslims - Muslim not being a race
uNFoRtuNaTe RACisM fAiL
So just xenophobic making disparaging remarks about other people with no basis in fact, I guess with your head so far up him it's hard to see perspective.
Good to see you admit to being wrong, well done. Maybe you'll show a bit more balance and very less likely to uncritically jump on a media bandwagon in the future.
Let's face it, its Obama's police forces that have been shooting black people left right and centre, far more of a worry than anything Trump has done or said.
Perhaps you could try it sometime ninfan of all the times, you have been caught out.... BTW the last exanple was racist where they denied housing to Black people and were caught. Settling with a case like that does send you right over to the guilty side. Perhaps he has suddenly changed but the hate speach doesn't make it sound like he has.
As I'm sure you understand the only Federal Police are the FBI who I don't think have been out shooting people, Obama has been doing a lot towards these issues, but I guess you just want to delfect stuff away from Trump as much as possible.
Your last example shows something that his company was [b]alleged[/b] to have done, to which you appear to be applying vicarious liability, with no evidence that it even happened (settled out of court) let alone that Trump was personally involved in any decisions to discriminate.
To use the above example, it's Like calling Obama racist because a policeman shoots an unarmed black man
really really really it isn't
It was based on evidence gathered by testers for the New York City Human Rights Commission, who documented that black people were told no apartments were available in Trump properties while white testers at the same time were immediately offered apartments. In a sampling of 10 Trump buildings, only 1 to 3.5 percent of the occupants were minorities, making it one of the strongest cases the Justice Department had ever seen for violations of the Fair Housing Act.
Your basically calling the NYC HRC liars, the Justice Department liars etc.
Obama does not run the Police they are part of the state set up....
another of his open minded triumphs
Earlier in that same year Trump helped fan the flames of racial resentment when black and Latino teens were arrested in the infamous “Central Park jogger” attack. Trump alone chose to pay for $85,000 worth of full-page newspaper ads trumpeting, in capital letters, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” In the text Trump objected to then-Mayor Ed Koch’s plea for peace: Mayor Koch stated that “hate and rancor should be removed from our hearts. I do not think so.”
As Trump and other New Yorkers indulged in hate and rancor, the five accused were subjected to intense interrogation, most without their parents present, and gave false confessions. After years in prison, they were exonerated by DNA evidence. A book and a documentary film on the case showed how fear and race played substantial roles in the wrongful convictions but Trump, who fanned the flames, remained steadfast in his views. When the men received compensation for their imprisonment, Trump denounced the payments and smeared the men by saying, “These young men do not exactly have the past of angels.”
[img]
[/img]
“Black guys counting my money! I hate it”Next in the Trump record on race came a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. O’Donnell quoted Trump saying,“ Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
O’Donnell’s report was shocking, but Trump did not contest it at the time. In 1997 he was interviewed for Playboy by author Mark Bowden and he confirmed that the O’Donnell book was “probably true.”
A telling moment arose during a 1993 Congressional committee hearing on gambling casino operated by Indian tribes. Trump, who considered the tribes competitors, offered a flourish of insensitivity during his testimony when he said, “They don’t look like Indians to me and they don’t look like Indians to Indians.”Trump also said that tribal gaming operators were somehow tied to organized crime and a scandal was about to erupt. “In the 19 years I have been on this committee, I have never seen such irresponsible remarks,” Rep. George Miller (D., Calif.) shouted back to Trump. (Decades later, the industry is still waiting for the scandal that Trump predicted.)
Such a lovely man...
If when The Don said this would be "Brexit Plus Plus Plus", he was referring to the amount of backpedaling that would take place once he had won, he was exactly right.
Come on ninfan, tell us how saying 'laziness is a trait in blacks' isn't racist. Probably someone disguised as Trump planted there by that Muslim Obama I guess?
Let's face it, its Obama's police forces that have been shooting black people left right and centre, far more of a worry than anything Trump has done or said.
Interesting that you think Obama has the last word in USA politics. It'll probably explain why he's been able to steamroller so much legislation through.
And yet under Obama the police are shooting less people than ever in America
[img] 
[/img]
What's changed is technology, now that there are body cams on officers and everyone has a video camera in their pocket, unjustifiable shootings by police can no longer be brushed under the carpet, perhaps inspired by Obama people have been emboldened to speak out, hence black lives matter.
Also worth noting that some police federations broke with convention and supported trump, wonder how much overlap there is between the police and those alt-right Heil Trumpers?
Trump and his family are all paid-up members of the NRA, and has gone on record saying he would not limit guns, even big guns (the interviewer even mentioned mortars, grenades etc) in any way.
I think we can safely assume that Trump's time in office wont see a reduction in gun ownership, and probably gun violence.
Oops my graph is for police killed
Turns out no one collects a full list of people killed by police in the USA
But looks like the numbers have remained constant under obama
The problem seems to be that the policehave become militarised, especially since 9/11
http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/05/economist-explains-22
Something Obama has tried to stop
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-gear-exclusive-idUSKCN1012KW
Coz of course every cop in America needs a tank 😯
http://leftinalabama.com/alabama-police-departments-arming-themselves-with-military-equipment/
[img] 
[/img]
Come on ninfan, tell us how saying 'laziness is a trait in blacks' isn't racist. Probably someone disguised as Trump planted there by that Muslim Obama I guess?
The fact that the lefties have to dig around for hearsay ([i]hearsay: ?h??se?/ noun - information received from other people which cannot be substantiated; rumour[/i]) from an employee in a 1991 book to get a quote that approaches Trump allegedly saying anything actually racist proves my point.
from the article: [i]In [b]May 2015[/b], Barack Obama barred the federal government from providing some military equipment to American police departments[/i]something Obama has tried to stop
When did he become president again?
Ninfan You appear to be stuck in a loop.
Saying Mexicans are rapists isn't racist?
I await your dizzying leaps of logic to explain that.
The Heil trumpers video exposing the alt-right for what it is seems to have knocked you of kilter.
Saying Mexicans are rapists isn't racist?
Only he didn't say that, did he?
ninfan: what [i]is[/i] your take on Richard Spencer's "Hail Trump" speech and the "saluting" at the National Policy Institute?
Does that worry you at all or do you see that as leftie handwringing?
ninfan: what is your take on Richard Spencer's "Hail Trump" speech and the "saluting" at the National Policy Institute?
Are there Nazis in the USA? Of course there are, have been for decades. Can a politician be responsible for all the crazies that support him? Would Corbyn be responsible for the actions of, say, animal rights extremists that support Labour? Would Obama be responsible for the Black Panthers?
Trump has openly disavowed and condemned them. What more can he do?
