Good job he brought the right letter.
In that Fox News clip, Starmer just got dominated and became a small side show insignificant repeatedly offering a state visit.
Ah, **** it. Maybe Trump will **** up so badly we get to rescind it. More likely we'll end up bent over without any lube.
bent over without any lube.
No doubt he has been briefed......close your eyes and think of England
theres not enough time and resources to verify and report stories properly
There really is:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9814k2jlxko
https://whyy.org/articles/donald-trump-fact-check-first-week-presidency/
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/26/politics/fact-check-trump-cabinet-meeting
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/27/politics/fact-check-trump-rogan-podcast
Who is next after Macron and Starmer?
Likened by the Mooch as "who is going to look after Grandpa today"
Send an adult to make sure he doesn't wander into traffic, do real business while he's distracted.
Hopefully this will mean that instead of toadying to the US, we look a bit closer to home for trading relations.
A 'common market' if you will...
Anyone else watch Starmer hand over the invite and think Trump looked like a kid who'd got what he asked for from Santa?
After a cursory look at the Guardian and the Beeb, Starmer seems to have achieved the best part of SFA.
After a cursory look at the Guardian and the Beeb, Starmer seems to have achieved the best part of SFA.
I think it all hinges on whether Zelensky goes along with Trumps "deal" today and whether that deal involves an acceptable peace plan with a US security back stop.
Obviously Ukraine is the key player in that, and Zelensky can accept what he feels is "good enough" for his country and people. If he can't accept what Trump is offering/demanding, then I guess/hope we turn our backs on pandering to the Tangerine Nightmare and everything comes back to Europe sorting it out for itself.
TBH I did hear some ITV news go on about the ‘special relationship’ and how well it went 🙂
Trump always makes me think of that Orwell quote
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command
If you can’t see loony tunes when you look at,listen to Trump , I’ve got a good deal on some crypto for you 🙂
I guess/hope we turn our backs on pandering to the Tangerine Nightmare and everything comes back to Europe sorting it out for itself.
The EU, UK and Ukraine have a population of roughly 556 million and a nominal GDP of over 24 trillion dollars. (Lazy googling numbers)
Russia has a population of 143.8 million and a nominal GDP of around 2.2 trillion.
Even swapping that to PPP still leaves a massive disparity. It "shouldn't" be a problem, but Europe (us included) working together, quickly and decisively seems a tall order.
After a cursory look at the Guardian and the Beeb, Starmer seems to have achieved the best part of SFA.
Probably a good thing overall; I doubt he went over there to "achieve" much other than to show his face, hand over a posh letter and play the role of supportive ally.
Also, *not* going would have been counter-productive too.
It’s a no-win situation, you just have to show face and smile awkwardly,whilst you have the magic letter and a good bit of shoulder rubbing going on you are able to do a bit of nudging and make the lunatic king look more favourable on you.
It’s also a good move to push Farage out of the golden trough and trample over any ideas of him actually having any real relationship with trump.
I was reading "The Emperor's New Clothes" to my children last night and it suddenly struck me that Musk and helpers are the weavers making the cloth for the emperor. Trump's other appointees are the advisors who don't understand what the weavers are doing "making invisible cloth" but don't want to make themselves look stupid by pointing it out.
One day, maybe in a year or so the little boy is going to point out that the Emperor has no clothes and the scales will fall from the eyes of the masses who realise they have been completely ripped off.
I actually believe starmer handled that about as well as he could have done and seemed to get some respect from trump the other choice is the cold shoulder and take the consequences.
He mustn't get split off from the rest of Europe tho
One day, maybe in a year or so the little boy is going to point out that the Emperor has no clothes and the scales will fall from the eyes of the masses who realise they have been completely ripped off.
A lot of people are more interested in bad things happening to other people than they are with good things happening to themselves.
It's why the whole "punch down" rhetoric really works. People aren't bothered that their own way of life hasn't improved, just so long as migrants / benefits claimants / the poor / criminals are seen to be having it worse.
So you can get elected on the basis that you'll be tough on all of those but then when you run out of easy fixes for those and turn to the next tier up, the same people are suddenly doing the whole "I voted for the Face-Eating Leopard party but I never thought they'd eat MY face!"
There's already been stuff on Twitter from Trump voter / MAGA supporter types who've been fired from their jobs or lost federal contracts worth $$$ .
Like Brexit voters complaining that they now have to stand in a much longer queue at the airport.
What did you ****ing expect?!
What's the odds Starmer accepts bleached canned slippery chicken in 'the deal'?
Plenty of people like him and his policies but not the nuttier stuff. when it affects them, their families or their livelihoods.
I actually believe starmer handled that about as well as he could have done and seemed to get some respect from trump the other choice is the cold shoulder and take the consequences.
The problem is that Starmer is attempting to treat the UK's relationship with the United States as "business as usual" despite Donald Trump now being the president.
I can understand the appeal of that approach but it ignores the harsh reality which much of the world, including Europe, has come to slowly recognise, ie, the 2016 US presidential election result was not a "one of" never to be repeated anomaly.
Not only was it repeated in 2024 but all the conditions which created the possibility of a Trump presidency in the first place will remain long after he has gone. There is absolutely no guarantee that no one as bad as Trump, or even worse, will not become US president in the future.
Trump might be fairly unique in his exceptional level of narcissism but he is certainly not the most unhinged person in US politics.
What the Trump presidency has drawn attention to and emphasised is how extraordinarily dependant the world is on the United States. And most important of all how dangerous that dependency is.
Despite the popular allegations Trump is not a fascist but if he was to become one, eg, declare himself dictator, imprison political opponents in concentration camps, launch an invasion of Greenland, etc, there is absolutely bugger all the world could do about it. The world couldn't even implement economic sanctions on the United States because it would likely devastate the rest of the world more than it would effect the US.
US hegemony is now increasingly being seen as not necessarily goo so now is not the time to forge stronger and closer links with the US which simply increases dependency. A slow disengagement and reduced dependency on the United States is the only sensible way forward, it will take decades for it to have any sort of significant effect. But I get the feeling that Europe might be starting to see it that way, even if Starmer appears to want to travel in the opposite direction.
And it turns out that Charles de Gaulle was right all along!
According to Trump, when a journo explained how tariffs work to him (the person/company importing pays the tariff, not the country the goods have come from), on TV, his response was along the lines of ‘No, that’s a myth coming out of countries that don’t wanna pay’
Good Lord.
When the idiot you employ to cut government waste/spending doesn't realise that spending is directly related to economic expansion.
www.twitter.com/Geiger_Capital/status/1895506136473960794?t=zRv0qYDTFVL1Hhow-hBOnQ&s=19
The problem is that Starmer is attempting to treat the UK's relationship with the United States as "business as usual" despite Donald Trump now being the president.
I think the key is to keep things close to business as usual whilst you work on the longer term transition away from the US. To be honest I think Starmer has done a good job not just with the US but many other countries other the past few months.
I'm pretty certain every leader in Europe has figured this out. And yes, that will be the plan, to minimise the real risk of damage
Well it's not every day you see two world leaders and supposed allies having a stand up row in front of the world's media. Bonkers!
It didn't seem possible, but this is a new low from Trump and Vance. Absolute shout-them-down bullies.
Un-fracking-believable! Sweet baby Jesus, that was the most unpresidential display of arrogance, ignorance and sheer bloody childishness I’ve ever seen from a world leader. Poor Zelenskyy, being harangued, shouted down and talked over, unable to get barely a word in, and being accused of being ungrateful and saying thank you by two pathetic bullies. 🤬
I’ve just had to mute the tv sound before I throw something at the screen! I just want hit Diaper Don in the face with a chair!
The grift has come to an end.
They’re kicking Zelensky out of the country!
”He can come back when he’s ready for peace”
Astonishing!
Apparently that's not the way to " deal" Trump according to BBC reporter ? So you just let him walk all over you ? 🙄🙄🙄
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The grift has come to an end.
Trumps? No he will continue to grift for his own personal gain for as long as he’s president
Absolutely unbelievable!
Trump and Vance proving (again) they are not fit to be in positions of power or influence.
Here’s the issue for most of the countries of the world, they want to remain long term allies of the USA, but the current administration there wants no allies. How to continue relations to minimise the damage done over the next X years, while also pivoting away from a USA currently hostile to all its supposed allies? And what if “X” is more than one term? These bullies who now hold the power, I see nothing that suggests they will relinquish it without an actual fight, rather than because of an election.
I was hoping Zelensky would punch the orange ****wit in the throat.
Interesting that Trump thinks Europe should be more worried than the US about Russia. ‘Because we have the sea between us’
Not sure the Bering Sea is the vast chasm you think it is Don…
I think the key is to keep things close to business as usual whilst you work on the longer term transition away from the US.
Well yes but is there any evidence that is the government current strategy? I am not sure that I have seen any.
This was the situation 4 weeks ago:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chagos-islands-deal-cost-uk-trump-b2689833.html
We now appear to know the answer to that question.....cut the international aid budget by 40%, creating less security for the UK and reducing the UK's soft power in the global theatre, to help finance US hegemony in the Southern Hemisphere for years to come.
How about increasing European security without relying on the United States which now obviously cannot be relied on anyway? Why is Starmer insisting on US backstop guarantees? It isn't going to come and Trump isn't actually not totally wrong when he insists that European security is an issue for Europeans.
‘Because we have the sea between us’
The “sea” bit is a joke. The “do what you want with Europe, we won’t stop you” line does keep the USA safe from Russia in the short to medium term though. If it’s busy taking land from countries it has a land border with, it won’t be opening a second front anywhere else.
Why is Starmer insisting on US backstop guarantees?
Because he has to speak to the USA as whole, not just the current mob running it. Without getting the USA back on side, at some point, the erosion in Europe will continue. Scaling up defence in Europe isn’t enough, combined defence is the only real defence long term.
Honestly, **** Trump. Zelensky should leave. If the US is not going to support Ukraine he has zero to lose.
Looks like Trump finally met someone with some principles. I would have loved to see him chin the vile old orange crook.
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The grift has come to an end.
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C4 reporting things slightly differently, suggesting he was lured into a trap.
