Taylor Swift is publicly endorsing KH, if only 14 year olds could vote...
Swifties are old enough.
"45% are millennials, 23% are baby boomers, 21% are Generation X, and 11% are Generation Z." Wiki
Am i the only one that just heard Trump suggest that Harris would allow abortion “probably after birth”?
He's made that statement quite a few times but I don't think anyone has asked him to explain what he actually means.
CNN has a preliminary fact check at 33-1. I’ll let you guess who is 33 lies.
I was a little disappointed that the mods did not stop his bullshit.
The problem for presenters, interviewers and journalists etc is - theres just so much bullshit. There simply isn't the time and space to challenge him on lie 1 becuase before you can do that lies 2,3 and 4 have happened. I forget which of the post Trump presidency documentaries it was but it showed the newsroom of one of the US broadsheets and the phenomenal workload Trump created. In the context of him being President and therefore every statement he made being and official statement the had to do their due dilliegence in checking everything they published. "I'm going to build a beauiful wall and Mexico is going to pay for it" - to publish that you have to work out who in 'Mexico' he might mean, contact them, give them the right to reply and so on. His 'official' lies ran into the 10s of 1000s and all of them had to be check in detail just to be able to say truthfully that they were a lie. In his recent Mar a Lago press conference is lie rate was more 2 a minute for over an hour.
I got in the mood for the debate by watching 'Civil War' last night.
I was a little disappointed that the mods did not stop his bullshit.
That's Kamala Harris' job, she won't have mods in the WH
Unfortunately I don’t think that debate will be enough
+1 Historically they don't effect change (apart from in JB's case). The fact is that most people have decided, anyone waiting for a decision this late is either waiting to understand KH a little more or won't ever decide
The swift endorsement is a big boost for Harris. Not only is she hugely popular but she is also seen as thoughtful and clever
Seems like the debate went well for Harris
I do not believe Trump to be mentally ill as such - he is a narcissistic psychopath ie a personality disorder
Swifties are old enough.
“45% are millennials, 23% are baby boomers, 21% are Generation X, and 11% are Generation Z.” Wiki
Yeah - the fact that she's encouraging people to vote alongside her endorsement is hugely powerful.
The debate wasn't particularly meaningful (beyond the fact that Harris did a good job compared to Biden) - but Swift's endorsement is yuuuuge.
Kid Rock on fox news in 3....2.....1
Quite enjoying the comparisons between Trumps performance and Stefon from SNL - with his review of nightclubs that have 'everything' illustrated with a list things that sit outside the the sphere of 'everything'
Taylor Swift is publicly endorsing KH
And CatTurd is endorsing Trump so that's got the have-no-life-in-the-real-world middle-aged male Twitter shitposters who live in their mum's basement sewn up.
Iirc swift endorsed biden in 2020, and so her endorsement for another democrat isn't going to shift the dial much as her support is probably factored in already.
But I think her encouragement to her fans to register and vote is more important. I mean they might all turn out to be maga cheerleaders, but I doubt it
I got in the mood for the debate by watching ‘Civil War’ last night.
It would be interesting to see where the budget for civil war came from. The idea of civil war in the US is apparently one of the main messages for putins propaganda machine (and probably also aided the promotion of the far right riots in the UK). For a while I have thought the idea of conspiracies like government cabals working against the people being so popular in Hollywood and television over the past 15-20 years, has primed people to more readily accept conspiracy theories. Surely propogandists have realised that getting their message into popular culture as well as seeding news channels and political commentators would be highly effective.
It would be interesting to see where the budget for civil war came from
DNA Films - The folk who produced Trainspotting, 28 Days Later, Love Actually etc and IRV.VC which is a Finnish asset fund that invests pension capital in film and tv projects.
Civil War isn't really about imagining a civil war as imagining how to report such and eventuality - the war it imagines is actually quite disconnected from the current political divisions in the US - but it imagines a US just as divided. In the film for instance Texas and California are allied as the 'Western Forces' but those two states probably sit at the two poles of the current divisions. I don't think a contemporary US viewer would see either side of the conflict it represents and say to themselves 'thats my side'.
Thats not to say theres no Russian driver behind division in the US or anywhere else but I'd say in this instance the film is holding a mirror up to that rather than driving it. I don't think Russian bots are behind a Handmaids Tale either, although they're not doubt amplifying those kinds of narratives too.
The problem for presenters, interviewers and journalists etc is – theres just so much bullshit.
The problem is that they're not allowed.
The debates are set up with a plethora of rules that the host channel and presenter has to agree to. One of those rules is not cutting in. Crazy.
Guardian podcast.... Mehdi Hassan on how to beat Donald Trump in a debate
https://pca.st/episode/1fd530cb-782e-4d15-8a75-99c2d2fbf9fe
For a while I have thought the idea of conspiracies like government cabals working against the people being so popular in Hollywood and television over the past 15-20 years, has primed people to more readily accept conspiracy theories
It's basically enshrined in the constitution - The Second Amendment pretty much defines the government as an entity that civilians need to be ready to defend themselves against. So the idea of the government, or elements of the government, being a shadowy and dishonest entity is pretty much an American staple in its fiction for ever.
sounds like Harris did manage to get under his skin and cause him to get angry and lose focus
Trump's ill-discipline cost him, he cant stay on message, just gets ranty and Harris was able to exploit that (he really is too old)
His thing about immigrants eating cats just weird (tho will probably work with the more far gone MAGA)
This debate was Harris's to lose and she didnt
also an aside Taylor Swift has come out for Harris, not really a surprise as she'd endorsed biden last time round, but shes friends with some MAGA influencers and been supicously quiet about who she might endorse lately.
From a sales point of view she will alienate some Republicans by supporting Harris and she's obviously a smart business woman
The funniest thing is that she was forced to speak out by the likes of JD Vance slagging her off (she signed off as a childless cat lady) and Trump using AI fakes saying she endorsed him, which she also referenced in her post
(predictably musk spat his dummy and replied in a predictably creepy way!)
this was an interesting it of research, though obviously trump vs biden not trump vs harris
Based on the previous data, and also from this survey: 15% of Democrats and 4% of Republicans directly recognize that if Taylor Swift supports someone, it will make them more likely to vote for that person.
To be fair Musk has got so many kids he could give one away and probably not notice. Not sure Swift would want a second hand Musk though.
Trump’s ill-discipline cost him, he cant stay on message, just gets ranty
To a great extent the rants have served him well - his advisors try to feed policy and strategy to him, but Trumps political success boils down to him being a one trick pony - He's the guy that hates all the things that you hate. Just saying what it is he hates or that he thinks other people hate - thats it. Works.
Morecash - whatever you think of Swifts music it is clear she is an intelligent woman
Sadly after a 'normal' Trump performance without totally imploding - my money is now on him winning. Not the popular vote, but getting over the line never the less.
Sadly after a ‘normal’ Trump performance without totally imploding – my money is now on him winning. Not the popular vote, but getting over the line never the less.
Same here, unfortunately.
I think this is the source of "immigrants eating cats" misinformation...
Local resident who clearly has some issues has killed and eaten a cat. Right wing agitators and conspiracy theorists incorrectly call her a haitian immigrant, gets amplified on social media, Trump believes it, then appears in a debate saying "immigrants are eating the pets!".
I am hopeful. I think Harris has the ability to motivate folk to vote who usually do not. Swifts endorsement will help with that. these folk do not really show up in polling. I also think Trumps rantings will put off dyed in the wool republicans who are not MAGA nutjobs
Fingers crossed
Sadly after a ‘normal’ Trump performance without totally imploding – my money is now on him winning. Not the popular vote, but getting over the line never the less.
I also think Trumps rantings will put off dyed in the wool republicans who are not MAGA nutjobs
He has been putting off some MAGA nut jobs too,
What is possibly interesting is there a few of the more extreme Maga voices who've fallen off the Trump wagon as a result of some of his more recent free-wheel brain farting.
Take the whole Stop the Steel movement to date - Trump has never conceded that he lost the vote, continually insisted that there was fraud - people around him have been jailed, lost millions, are in debt of millions, fox has lost 3/4 of a billion over it, some folk died. Then he just says that actually he lost 'by a whisker' and basically, casually, pisses over everything those people have sacrificed for him.
Nick Fuentes take on the whole situation is pretty illuminating - I'd normally not say 'hey listen to what Nick Fuentes has to say' but - listen to what Nick Fuentes has to say - (actually just read it and imagine the whinging little shitbag)
“He’s admitting… ‘I lost by a whisker’. So what was the point? What’s the point of any of it you lost in 2020? Seriously? What are we even doing anymore then? You’re a loser… you lost to Joe Biden, you deserve to be charged. If he admits that he lost, then that actually vindicates the… DOJ charge against him because the charge is that he knew he lost, but he lied to defraud the people. That’s the DOJ’s charge. So why did we do stop the steal?” .
“Why did anyone go to January 6th? Why is anyone sitting in jail? Why did anything bad happen to anybody? Why did everyone get censored? Why is everything bad that has happened to the people that are involved? Why did that need to happen? If you’re just going to walk it all back and say, ‘Oh, I lost.’ Well, it would’ve been good to know that before 1600 people got charged. It would've been good to know that before I had all my money frozen, put on no fly list, banned from everything, lost all banking and payment processing. It would’ve been good to know that.”
If its an idea that gets any traction - coming from the hellmouth pretty much of the whole white supremacist, misogynist schtick that underlies the Trump base and other figures start to echo the same sentiments it could be quite wounding for Trump electorally
It was looking pretty certain that Trump would win when he was up against Biden, now it really is a lot closer, Harris still has a mountain to climb Im still not sure that America is ready for a female president, theres so much casual sexism (fundamentalist christian influence) that even the Tories would balk at, but Trump just gets weirder as he gets older and the likes of Vance & co dont help him
Im cautiously optimistic, though a close win for Harris will be open day for accusations of fraud and Jan 6th mk2, Trump wont go quietly and will no doubt try and anoint one of his kids as heir to MAGA, but Im not sure how that will sit with the GOP
interesting times
It was looking pretty certain that Trump would win when he was up against Biden, now it really is a lot closer,
I've never thought so, Trump would never pick up the undecided vote, just under Biden they were not going to vote - but I still thought Biden would scrape it.
Now though, I think that Harris is a shoe-in, and if for nothing else than only because the full extent of the abortion issue is slowly coming into the conscious of ordinary non-partisan Americans. Driven by the current 'Abortion after Birth' bollox, it's really making them realise that they've only this one chance to stop the direction of travel.
I'm cautiously optimistic in a TJ style, but it hinges on getting the young female vote out, which is possibly where Taylor Swift's endorsement may help get them registered and voting.
That Nick Fuentes thing is a potential ticking time bomb for Trump if it takes hold. Excellent point that it is exactly what the charges were brought on. He's either guilty, or he keeps protesting against the steal, can't be both.
There's a lot of angry armed MAGA folks have lost too much to be happy to see Trump just shrug and walk away.
Trump Media stock dropped 17% after the debate. That dropped his paper worth by about $200 million by my calculation.
https://meidasnews.com/news/trumps-stock-nosedives-after-disastrous-debate
I am also finding Harris more and more likable whereas I never warmed to H. Clinton at all
NOt just the young women Morecash - its also the voters of asian descent and other minorities. Those two groups - young women and those of Asian descent could be the real key here
I am confident she will win the popular vote but will she have enough to overcome the republicans structural advantage?
Watched a couple of clips finally, which mostly entail Harris goading Trump into an massive elephant trap by saying "This is a trap, why don't you stumble into it you big dummy" all the while holding a sign that says "Trap- this way" and watching as Trump does just that. It should be sound-tracked with the sad trombone noise every-time. All the while Harris tries her hardest not to laugh out loud by biting on her knuckles.
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Full MemberAm i the only one that just heard Trump suggest that Harris would allow abortion “probably after birth”?
He said the same thing in the first debate too
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Full MemberTaylor Swift is publicly endorsing KH, if only 14 year olds could vote…
Swift fans cover a huge range. Probably more importantly they're mostly ages that are underrepresented at the polls. It's going to be way, way easier to mobilise X young voters than it is to move X voters from blue to red. And it's also one of those chaotic factors that's really hard to poll accurately for- because young voters are least likely to vote in states they consider to be fundamentally red. But if you get a swing going, then there's this big silent bloc that can materialise seemingly out of nowhere, and that people don't pay much attention because they think they've already succesfully marginalised them.
When Texas goes blue- probably not this time- it'll be younger voters that do it and again it'll happen faster and more decisively than is predicted because of that momentum effect, the less impossible it feels, the more likely it is. And blue texas makes a republican president pretty much impossible, or at least creates the need for a massive change in attitudes and party approaches and probably system.
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Full MemberHe has been putting off some MAGA nut jobs too
Just saw a poll result reposted on reddit- of registered republicans who voted trump last time and intend to vote trump this time, only 69% think he won this debate. That's an incredibly low score for that demographic, just disastrous. He couldn't have achieved that with a merely bad performance as Biden could, it had to be a performance that specifically switched off his fans. They like winners, they like bullying confidence, they like it when he looks strong, and last night they didn't like what they saw at all.
Worn out is a good description. If his circus act doesn't work he doesn't really have much to go on, and she's got more experience debating people who argue than him -
He lost that and he knows it . There won't be a third. VP debate should be interesting
Hateful dude is ****ing toast and he’ll be gone for good within five years. The idea up there that his dynasty might persist in politics is laughable. Shitgibbon at least had ‘charisma’ and that’s the only thing that got him in the Whitehouse.
The idea up there that his dynasty might persist in politics is laughable.
I think ivanka is canny enough to make it work, but what happens to the GOP after Trump that will determine that, they'll want to keep his MAGA fans somehow (but it will destroy them)
Trump always was his worst enemy.
I can imagine his advisors constantly telling him to stick to policy, not to adlib, over and over and over... all the time knowing all Harris has to do was make an intentionally childish comment about the size if his rallies or whatever and let his inflated ego take him down a rabbit hole into immigrants eating pets and the like.
He just can't help himself, even with the presidency and the equality huge prize of effectively escaping justice by being president at stake, he just can't change his DNA.
I bet he is being an absolute bastard to anyone around him today as it's all "their fault".
Any one see his eyes moving all over the place. Just shooting all over the place.
I wonder what percription drugs do that
It's always been about his ego
He hates thought of losing, the polls are still 50/50 but he's rattled
I wonder what dead cat he'll throw up to distract from this
All I've taken away from watching bits of the debate and reading up on it is that Trump looks like an old fence that's due for a fresh coat of Cuprinol. That and a politician in this ****ing mad world we now live in can claim that Haitian immigrants eat dogs (and cats) and that abortions after birth are a thing.yes they are, they're called murders. How did we end up here FFS? Someone should've walked on stage and slapped him for those two absurd remarks. Something, something electric sharks
I wonder what dead cat he’ll throw up to distract from this
Are there any left? I thought they'd all been eaten.
Very powerful stuff here from the parent of a child killed in a road accident, who is now being used for anti-immigrant political gain. He won’t get his apology though.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/11/trump-vance-ohio-aiden-clark
That is very upsetting. I can't imagine how those parents feel. Using the death of a child for low-rent political gain is nothing more than I expect from these ****s.
