I always find it ironic that highly intelligent and educated people like politicians and others find it impossible to communicate with people of lesser education and upbringing at a level they can understand.
I don't know how you would do that without being patronising ?
It’s no wonder working class/normal people think they’re elitist.
I think they consider them elitist because they feel inferior. That's not necessarily the politicians' fault.
According to Trumps new running mate the UK is likely to be the first truly islamist state to have nuclear weapons
Even if you put aside the absurdity of that, it's the ignorance of not even checking that ****stan exists...
I haven’t seen any evidence that Trump is popular with any section of society in the UK.
Not popular in the conventional sense, only among certain types of contrarian and troll.
Until the democrats continue to choose leaders like Clinton and Biden nothing will ever change.
Too many narcissists in politics.
And yet Trump is one of the Elite, and they venerate him for it.
He is, but he whatever his faults he is a very effective communicator* and reader of the room. He managed to convince many on low incomes or who feel forgotten by the political class, that although he was born into obscene wealth and is the arch schemer and grifter, he is somehow one of them. It's a pretty impressive feat.
*despite his mullering of the language, maybe even partly because of it. The US equivalent of "he doesn't talk with a gob full of marbles like some posh ****, he's one of us".
And yet Trump is one of the Elite, and they venerate him for it.
See BUTR's response. He may be one of the elite but people don't see him that way. Probably because he breaks the mould on not speaking in that awful anodyne professional business-speak that you'll get from the likes of Bill Gates et al, and also because he's not afraid to display his prejudices and bigotry. People listen to him and he sounds like one of them, that's all it is.
I think they consider them elitist because they feel inferior. That’s not necessarily the politicians’ fault.
It's entirely the politicians fault. They speak in an alien language and spend all their time telling them they can't have what they want because of stuff that's too difficult for them to understand, or alternatively force stuff on them that they don't want for reasons that they can't understand. If people feel inferior that's because in the eyes of politicians they are.
I think there's part of the American psyche that admires successful opportunists, tricksters and con-artists. They gloss over the fact that Trump just inherited his wealth, isn't a particularly successful businessman, and are actually impressed by his playboy scam-artist persona.
The fact is that he more or less flunked his education and was handed the keys to a billion-dollar business, and as such seems like an imposter among the millionaire class, with his gaudy taste and lack of manners. It feeds the myth that he is self-made in spite of the 'elites' and is thumbing his nose at them on behalf of the working people of the US.
Even if you put aside the absurdity of that, it’s the ignorance of not even checking that ****stan exists…
In fairness, he did preface that statement by saying, "maybe ****stan kinda counts..." But yeah, a country of ~230m with a constitutionally enshrined religion of Islam and 170+ nuclear weapons only "kinda counts" as an Islamic nuclear power - prat.
According to Trumps new running mate the UK is likely to be the first truly islamist state to have nuclear weapons
Whoops, looks like the lefties *still* can’t understand a joke when it slaps them in the face.
i note that the usuals have already started calling JD Vance racist… despite him having an Indian wife and mixed race children
I always find it ironic that highly intelligent and educated people like politicians and others find it impossible to communicate with people of lesser education and upbringing at a level they can understand. It’s no wonder working class/normal people think they’re elitist.
I'd like to spin that and put Angela Rayner up as a counter argument. She is obviously a politician but she came to it pretty swiftly by a route as far from the Oxbridge PPE degree and time served as a spad as possible. She is as 'of the people' as you could possibly imagine. Yet I don't get the impression her appeal to the common man (or woman) is as strong as all that. I reckon if you put Rayner up against Johnston in a 'speaks to me' competition for DE voters, Boris would win it.
For me where society has kind of moved on is the onus of responsibility for comprehension and appeal has moved completely to the prospective leader. Society does not expect to have to think too hard and spits the dummy if its made to. There's an "entertain me " culture, like we're voting for a Britain's got talent contestant rather than it being an interview for the most important job in the nation. Listen or read an Aneurin Bevan or Clement Attlee speech - they did not have to dumb down to guttural noises to get the working class vote to come out in droves in '45. We don't expect enough of our electorate and they don't expect enough of themselves.
Whoops, looks like the lefties *still* can’t understand a joke when it slaps them in the face.
Joke : Definition - A story with a humorous climax...
Talking of Boris, you’ll be truly shocked to hear that he’s joined the other has-been, irrelevant Tory ex-PM in sucking up to Trump/desperately trying to get in front of the cameras
He gave a speech at the Republic congress
Nobody came
https://Twitter.com/parody_pm/status/1813166889213870266?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
a renaissance of the Democrats under a leader who finally figures out how to speak to working people...Until the democrats continue to choose leaders like Clinton and Biden nothing will ever change.
"The guy that's been elected 6 times on the trot to the Senate and delivered 3 winning Presidential campaigns (twice for Obama and once for himself) doesn't know how to speak to working people". Love it!
https://www.theonion.com/shirtless-biden-washes-trans-am-in-white-house-driveway-1819570732
i note that the usuals have already started calling JD Vance racist… despite him having an Indian wife and mixed race children
It is curious that he should be happy to tout far-right white supremacist ideas about immigration like the 'Great Replacement Theory', but I suppose Farage has/had a German wife, so I guess it's par for the course for this type of populist.
doesn’t know how to speak to working people
That's probably why he had to plagiarise people who did...
I suppose Kinnock is good evidence that you need more than an ability to speak to working people to win a general election.
the lefties *still* can’t understand a joke when it slaps them in the face.
It certainly sounds as if it was intended to be a joke, doesn't it?
But then you remember all the islamophobic comments that Donald Trump has made about London, including the comical claim that London has "opened it's doors to jihadists" and realise that far from being a joke Trump supporters love shite like that.
These are the same knuckle-dragging halfwits who thought that the secular Saddam Hussein was part of Al-Qaeda. Most of them probably believe that the world was created in 6 days.
What amazes me is that the American press is so bovine that he can make a statement like the UK is now an Islamist state and it just goes completely unchallenged
No wonder the US is a basket case of tinfoil-helmeted conspiracy nutjobs who are ripe for being exploited by the likes of Trump, when they’re constantly being fed that kind of shite
comical claim that London has “opened it’s doors to jihadists”
Hansard spitting facts https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2019-02-18/debates/69E286BB-03A2-4467-AB65-B3059436CD53/UKNationalsReturningFromSyria
What amazes me is that the American press is so bovine that he can make a statement like the UK is now an Islamist state and it just goes completely unchallenged
Perhaps because they understand what a joke is?
Most of them probably believe that the world was created in 6 days.
And object to the acceptance of same sex relationships or the teaching of evolution in schools. Religious fundamentalism that would resonate with the Taliban.
Perhaps because they understand what a joke is?
It's missing the essential component of a "joke" though isn't it?
I'm sure they'd be laughing their heads off if our deputy PM cracked jokes about the US being taken over by god bothering zealots, crack pot conspiacists and rapey convicted criminals?
JD Vance selected quotes on Trump, "America's Hitler" , "My God, what an idiot", "Mr Trump is unfit for our nation's top office" and "I can't stomach Trump". But then the voters in Ohio love Trump, so apparently so now does JD Vance.
Hansard spitting facts
So Trump wasn't joking...... the Tory Home Secretary really had opened London to jihadists?
And there was me thinking that it was just a big joke.
Trumps not clever, he simply understands the pitch he has to make. Much like snake oil sales folk in the past he sells a promise to people in desperate need of something.
Boris did this particularly well, problem is under normal circumstances the "promise" only works once, Trumps skill is making it work twice even when all evidence proves otherwise and that is quite an achievement.
He will be selected and he will win, then he will fold because his Military, Diplomats, will put him on the spot over decisions, Trump never made a move politically when in office. He sat on his fat ass and spewed rhetoric, way too scared to actually do anything. Trumps VP Vance will make sure Trump doesn't **** up the economy, they will make statement on Ukraine but ultimately Trump will be asked by his military if he wants to send Americans to fight in Poland... Trump functions in the moment like Boris they both react to the last person in the room and when it comes to the big decisions the grown ups will be in the room watching the orange toddler.
i note that the usuals have already started calling JD Vance racist… despite him having an Indian wife and mixed race children
Having a wife of another race and mixed race children does not prevent someone from being a racist.
Whoops, looks like the lefties *still* can’t understand a joke when it slaps them in the face.
@kevog you're going to have to explain this one, clearly we're all too thick to understand to joke. Have at it.
Having a wife of another race and mixed race children does not prevent someone from being a racist.
Almost as if racism isn't a purely white trait. You would think successive years of Patel, Braverman and Badenoch would have made that pretty obvious.
They probably aren't racist, but they are just such scummy humans they don't mind propagating racism and hate to benefit themselves and their political careers. Just run of the mill psychopaths that don't give a flying **** about the consequences, who gets hurt and the hardship they create, as long as they benefit its all good to them.
The News Agents podcast from RNC including an interview with Rudi Giuliani today....holy moly.
he’s not afraid to display his prejudices and bigotry. People listen to him and he sounds like one of them, that’s all it is.
I pretty much said exactly this to my dad (who'd said he had no chance of becoming president) before he was elected last time, still rings true 2day
They probably aren’t racist
Why are they probably not racist?
And Hindus can be pretty bigoted towards Muslims. Last week I had a disagreement with my local garage run by Hindus because of the 'Free Palestine' keyring on my car key, the geezer went into one about Muslims and how evil they allegedly are.
Trump's running mate can easily show bigotry towards Muslims, and make halfwit comments about the UK, and it won't necessarily in anyway conflict with the fact his wife is Hindu. Or that his kids are "mixed race".
Next someone will be suggesting that Jews can't be racist!
Jack Smith has appealed Cannons decision.
Jack Smith has appealed Cannons decision.
Let's hope the 11th Circuit is slightly less in Trump's pocket than she is. Should mean the end of her as a presiding judge on this case if the appeal succeeds, but the aim was the delay, not to dismiss the case. If it goes past November and Trump gets in, he just pre-emptively pardons himself immediately.
The footage from the Republican Convention they’re showing on Channel 4 news is truly terrifying!
Everything around Trump is like a cult and the events of the last couple of days seems to have triggered even more messianic talk from him and his evangelical followers.
If Biden doesn’t stand down, which he’s clearly not going to, Trump is going to walk this election
Its bloody scary
Watching it now….they really are just abso****inlutely utterly batshit simpletons
Everything around Trump is like a cult and the events of the last couple of days seems to have triggered even more messianic talk from him and his evangelical followers.
But these people were all in before he had his ear pierced so the question is will this draw more support or will this lunacy, plus the document judgment and the Supreme Court ruling make others more determined to stop him. I’m not sure it’s a done deal yet.
I agree. This all appeals to the base. To swing voters, I’m not so sure.
I didn’t think it was possible but from this profile they’re showing, JD Vance makes Trump look like a picture of restrained, considered and balanced understatement
He’s absolutely batshit! In a terrifyingly weird ‘Handmaids Tale’ way
How the hell did Trump manage to find another guy that's as much of an utter &£#@##£#£&&@#££?++#&&##£##£###£##... as he is?
Going to be a bloody long four years.
Putin must go to bed and wonder how on earth he got this lucky. A bloody lottery win on a global scale for him.
Stay out of our politics too you massive £#@&! 🙂
Let’s hope the 11th Circuit is slightly less in Trump’s pocket than she is.
Chief judge for the 11th Circuit Appeals Court is a Republican, Judge William Pryor, who has already dismissed Aileen Cannon's judgement in Trump's Mar-a-Lago documents case<i>
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Should mean the end of her as a presiding judge on this case if the appeal succeeds, but the aim was the delay, not to dismiss the case. If it goes past November and Trump gets in, he just pre-emptively pardons himself immediately.
I can't see this appeal happening before the election. Trump will attempt to pardon himself, but he didn't appoint Judge Pryor (who was top candidate) to SCOTUS in 2016 choosing Neil Gorsuch instead. I'm sure Judge Pryor is too professional to bear a grudge
Trump's speech on Thursday will be interesting. He's said he has thrown away the old one and the new one is all about unity. I am predicting his idea of unity is something along the lines of you all better follow me and my way for unity or there'll be trouble.
JD Vance selected quotes on Trump, “America’s Hitler” , “My God, what an idiot”, “Mr Trump is unfit for our nation’s top office” and “I can’t stomach Trump”. But then the voters in Ohio love Trump, so apparently so now does JD Vance.
JDVance is no fool, he graduated from Yale and saw his memoir become a bestseller and Oscar-nominated film. He turned towards Trumpism in 2019, which happened to coincide with his ambition to become a senator
He'll be the ruthless power behind Trump's throne
Vance has a pretty good chance of ascending to the Presidency from the VP position - either by Trump karking it from natural causes or Vanve engineering his removal via the 25th Amendment.
Trump’s speech on Thursday will be interesting. He’s said he has thrown away the old one
His speeches are prepared?!?!
I’d be willing to wager that when Trump rolls off, the ticket will be reversed and it will be Vance Trump. No term limits for VP.
Vance will be to Trump what Medvedev was to Putin.
Trump’s running mate can easily show bigotry towards Muslims, and make halfwit comments about the UK, and it won’t necessarily in anyway conflict with the fact his wife is Hindu. Or that his kids are “mixed race”.
Well, yeah, of course not, because you’ve given a list of things that have nothing to do with race…
Well, yeah, of course not, because you’ve given a list of things that have nothing to do with race…
Of course it has to do with race. Bigotry towards Muslims has everything to do with racism.
Are you seriously suggesting that it hasn't? That's quite something.
So what do you think motivates the bigotry of Trump supporters? Clue me.
So what do you think motivates the bigotry of Trump supporters? Clue me.
Oi! Wait your turn, I'm still waiting for that punchline to be explained.
