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I just cannot imagine who Trump would need to be standing against to make me vote for him
Hilary is tainted but he is ****ing mental, egocentric, a total bull shitter, unhinged, unpredictable, deceptive, abusive, horrible towards women and prone to bearing grudges for ages- possibly due to his teeny tiny hands 😉
. He has none of the qualities required in a statesman NONE
So, has anyone discussing this actually got a vote?
Pigface why don't you think through the sort of fall which would cause bleeding on the brain sufiicient to cause memory loss to the extent you forget the state department training you where given in a vital area such as what constitutes Confidential material. Then decide whether that's the most likely explanation. I've posted this before but as you clearly haven't read back I'm doing you a favour.
its total supposition with absolutely no evidence to support proposed by you. Forgive me for thinking its a complete fabrication that exists only in your mind
There are many many causes of what you have claimed MANY
I suspect your expertise in internet diagnoses of folk you have never met is somewhat fallible
Pigface why don't you think through the sort of fall which would cause bleeding on the brain sufiicient to cause memory loss to the extent you forget the state department training you where given in a vital area such as what constitutes Confidential material.
Blows to the head can actually be quite serious. I know a few people, including my own wife, who have had this happen to them and it's surprising how long the affect lasts. They don't just pick themselves up, dust themselves down and get on as though nothing had happened.
But yeah, whatever. Americans I've spoken to are not excited by the choice they have.
I just cannot imagine who Trump would need to be standing against to make me vote for him
Ted Cruz?
Facha?
...I think this is going to be a fun game
Me Texas cowboy mate will definitely Not vote for Clinton coz he enjoys his hunting.
Ya, this cowboy mate of mine even has a PhD from British University!
Jamba because you proffer no proof? None zippo nada rien
I can't find any proof of what you claim.
Nobody else seems to be able to find any proof.
thatcher is preferable to the DOnald as she was not absolutely mental just heartless and with no interest in "society"
I know nothing of ted cruz and I will keep it that way 😉
It appears that one of my FB friends (who does have a vote) won't vote for Clinton because she's pro choice. But then I do have some odd FB friends.
If Clinton has health problems then she would definitely be relying on the puppet master(s) to pull the string to keep her going. She would be script reading and acting only. Therefore, voting for Clinton is dangerous as there is high possibility some unseen characters are pulling the string behind the screen. These are people who will not be responsible for whatever outcomes because they will have a fall guy in Clinton. She has no control whatsoever.
If ever there WAS and election to think hard about the vice presidents, this is probably it
#noseflags
The obvious difference chewy, is that if Trump had health problems and somebody else was pulling the strings that would be a positive improvement. Not that I'm sure Donald will have much of a clue how to do the job and won't just get somebody else to do the tricky stuff anyway.
Junkyard - lazarusHe is now having a pop at Hilary because Bill had affairs despite his first marriage ending because HE had an affair
Not for the first time. And it pretty much tells you all you need to know about Trump. Man has affair- he's a virile go-getter! Woman's husband has affair- she's a failure as a wife and therefore as a person.
aracer - Member
The obvious difference chewy, is that if Trump had health problems and somebody else was pulling the strings that would be a positive improvement. Not that I'm sure Donald will have much of a clue how to do the job and won't just get somebody else to do the tricky stuff anyway.
The health problem for Clinton definitely looks serious if she needed help to get on her campaign van. She actually collapsed like someone being KO in the ring with her legs gone completely jelly. At her age, 69, she will be lucky there is no further domino effects on her health in the next 2 years.
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his age.
You appear to have completely missed the point
It appears that one of my FB friends (who does have a vote) won't vote for Clinton because she's pro choice. But then I do have some odd FB friends.
Whereas Trump is? Pro-Anti-Pro-Pro-Anti-Choice-Life?
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his orange.
FTFY
Oh god, now getting into a FB argument with somebody who doesn't seem to get my point that the only reason Trump hasn't done any of the things Clinton is accused of is lack of opportunity.
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his age.
Mental health issues don't often have physical symptoms
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his age.
Looks fit? WTF does that mean?
Plastic surgeons couldn't do anything about his small hands though, could they?
So it's always nice to see who skips over policy and heads straight to side issues...
And like Trump facts keep coming back
jambalaya - Member
We are in Britian, US domestic policy on firearms is pretty much none of our business
Does this apply to elections or the made up health of the candidates?
BigButSlimmerBloke - Member
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his age.
Mental health issues don't often have physical symptoms
How do you know Hilary Clinton does not have mental health issues?
What are the signs and what have you spotted?
captainsasquatch - Member
Trump is 70 yet look fit for his age.
Looks fit? WTF does that mean?
Plastic surgeons couldn't do anything about his small hands though, could they?
I mean he looks to be in good health for his age.
He did not collapse or faint like Hilary Clinton.
Hilary Clinton must have health problems to faint like that. Not normal.
So Trump is fine (because you say so) but we must suspect hillary... Is this because she scares you? Is it because she is a woman?
Hilary Clinton must have health problems to faint like that. Not normal
Could. You post a copy of your medical degree and other qualifications? Would clear this up quicker. Maybe you could go and treat her.
Let's try a different approach which areas of policy is Trump and the republicans better at? (bearing in mind most of his party hate him)
Nothing to do with gender.mikewsmith - Member
So Trump is fine (because you say so) but we must suspect hillary... Is this because she scares you? Is it because she is a woman?
I like/support PM May if that helps and I think she will be a brilliant PM.
Is it normal for someone to collapse like she did?Could. You post a copy of your medical degree and other qualifications? Would clear this up quicker. Maybe you could go and treat her.
We will never agree but let's try how about uphold 2nd amendment as someone was talking about messing with it?Let's try a different approach which areas of policy is Trump and the republicans better at? (bearing in mind most of his party hate him)
[b]"... the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."(Amendment II)[/b]
chewkw - MemberIs it normal for someone to collapse like she did?
It's not normal for Hilary Clinton to collapse like that either. But yes, if you catch an illness and push yourself hard you can go wobbly, nothing unusual about that.
Re the constitution, I think most people insisting you can't mess with the second amendment because it's a constitutional right, need to look up what an amendment is. Whenever I hear an American state that the 2nd amendment is god-given and can't possibly be messed with, I wonder if they drink alcohol- the 18th is surely just as god-given as the 2nd, so they probably don't accept its repeal, right?
Why not start with the first amendment chewkw?
[b]"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.."[/b]
How does that tally with Trumps plan to ban Muslims from America?
That sounds a lot like prohibiting the free exercise of religion to me!
Or is that amendment okay to amend?
Northwind - MemberWhenever I hear an American state that the 2nd amendment is god-given and can't possibly be messed
Nobody Can mess with 2nd amendments[b].[/b]
GrahamS - Member
Why not start with the first amendment chewkw?"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.."
He is referring to [b]Non[/b]-Merican citizens.
Nothing to do with 1st amendment as he was referring to all foreign disturbances, hence Merica can ban whoever they wish.
Was he? He has, as usual, changed his stance a fair bit on this.
But the original statement he made, [url= https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration ]still available on his website[/url], says:
Donald J. Trump is calling for [b]a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States[/b] until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.
(also I don't see any sidenote on the first amendment saying "but its okay if they are foreign")
and all over the states the "right" of the people to bear arms is restricted, some states even want to check who you are and that you are not a criminal before selling you a gun. What a stupid idea that is!!
Religion is the other great example of why rules and laws should adapt to the times, things change, the need of anyone to own a gun and in particular things like military grade rifles has gone away. Just like the need for the provision to deal with witches etc.
Next he deals with freedom of speech and expression
Days after Iranian sailors harassed an American Navy vessel, GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump said on Friday he would have had them “shot out of the water.”"With Iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats and they make gestures at our people that they shouldn't be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water," Trump said.
What blow people up because they upset you? Is this really somebody who should be in charge of anything?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37533263 ]I'm sure there's a logical explanation for him hiding his tax returns that his fans will swallow hook, line and sinker. I bet if it were Clinton hanging on to her returns the small handed Trump fans would be all over it.[/url]
its obvious it harms him and this is the reason he wont publish them
His excuse is a known lie and still folk dont seem to mind
An odd world when "billionaires" can avoid tax whilst the little people pay up
Some politicians merely forget to submit them!! At least on time.
How many "very successful business men" have submitted $500m losses to the tax authorities!?!
His excuse is a known lie and still folk dont seem to mind
'Big lie' theory, in it 😉
People keep banging on about tax like they bang on large corporation tax in the UK.
The question is - have they breached the tax law? You want to argue with their lawyers/barristers?
Until such time as they have done something wrong like breaching the law, most of what people accuse of him was based on their own views ... plenty of that here in the UK. BHS? Eh? Did he do something wrong? Why not arrest him? Nope, I guess not because the system has been beaten fair and square. Yes, morally it is bad taste but what can the govt do?
If the person has breached the tax law surely IRS or IR would chase after that person is it not.
Do you think IRS would keep a blind eyes on those billionaires in Merica? Even when the IRS would his business competitors/political opponents would not let that happen.
Yes, morally it is bad taste but what can the govt do?
it did not go down well at all with the undecideds when he said 'just shows I'm smart" according to polling evidence.
so it may be true that it is legal, but his hiding behind the auditing defence and his comments just makes him look shifty. And arrogant. And not as bright as he likes to think he is
He's a one man circle jerk.
jimw - Member
it did not go down well at all with the undecideds when he said 'just shows I'm smart" according to polling evidence.
Yes, he made the mistake by expressing his emotional views too directly without sugar coating or spin.
Actually that's exactly what it is i.e. [u]a fact[/u] that he has managed to beat the system otherwise he would be in jail! Smart yes as he has done so within the law and[u] it is legal[/u].
So why do the opposition gets all emotional of a factual information?
so it may be true that it is legal, but his hiding behind the auditing defence and his comments just makes him look shifty. And arrogant. And not as bright as he likes to think he is
Yes, because he annoys the hell out of his opponents who have already made up their minds to be annoyed even before he stands Presidency and by merely mentioning the party 'Republican' is enough to wind the opponents up.
People keep banging on about tax like they bang on large corporation tax in the UK.
It's almost as silly as banging on about someone's health, or emails, or beauty pageant queens, isn't it?
Facts and fiction/spin.
failed businessman or tax evader, not much of a CV for president.
Facts and fiction/spin.
All confused when fiction is put forward as fact, and the deluded fantastical is put forward as policy.
Those that believe his bullcrap have a special place in my heart.
failed businessman or tax evader, not much of a CV for president.
Worse than wife of former president? 😆
I think it's fair to say that Trump has no presidential qualities. A self serving, ignorant man is never going to have a countries best interests at heart and he'll only use his position to further himself at the expense of the country. No pint arguing with his supporters as they seem to be idiots or trolls.
Worse than wife of former president?
and a misogynist **** too.
Trump is a sh1tty businessman.
Bankrupt 4 times & if he'd put all the money that he'd been GIVEN in the bank he'd be better off than he is now.
Anyone clinging to the idea that Trump is a smart cookie is a deluded fruitbat. They should have their right to vote removed & denied access to the Internet.
Chewkw really does have a boner for trump.
The biggest problem with Trump is that he may well be within the law, but personally I think that the rich should pay their fair share, but not so much as to damage competitivity or drive them away. And as you mentioned corporate tax I feel that special interest loopholes should be closed.
Trump obviously believes in neither of these.
Yes, I agree but do you think the IRS/IR/Govt does not know? The answer is simple it is legal. If business can get away from tax they will regardless of what business that is. No business works for tax.captainsasquatch - Member
And as you mentioned corporate tax I feel that special interest loopholes should be closed.
Are you a businessman? Yes / No?mrlebowski - Member
Trump is a sh1tty businessman.Bankrupt 4 times & if he'd put all the money that he'd been GIVEN in the bank he'd be better off than he is now.
FTFYjam bo - Member
Chewkw really does have a boner for [s]trump[/s] the beauty queens.
Are you a businessman? Yes / No?
Yes.
Next question please.
Yes, I agree but do you think the IRS/IR/Govt does not know? The answer is simple it is legal. If business can get away from tax they will regardless of what business that is. No business works for tax.
The problem being that he's going to be pushing for more legislation that helps him in this way rather than damage himself. He's a self serving idiot.
And if it's legal and above board, why is he not publishing details?
And if it's legal and above board, why is he not publishing details?
Like Obamas birth certificate?
pathetic troll tries to hard
Like Obamas birth certificate?
Blimey you've got me. By not answering the question and throwing in a red herring I'm lost.
No, not like Obama, like Trump and his legal tax position that he won't publish and how he's unlikely to support a tax change where people will pay their fair share.
Right and wrong do not equal legal and illegal. All to often wrong behavior is excused due to it being legal. It's sometimes only legal because those participating had the power to make it so.
he has managed to [s]beat the system[/s] [b]not get found out[/b] otherwise he would be in jail!
Eventually those who think they are smart cookies run up against someone like Mrs Sandwich and it all gets expensive and messy for them. The IRS are like the Mounties they will get their man if he's made a mistake.
Blimey you've got me. By not answering the question and throwing in a red herring
Its not a red herring, its exactly the same - the insinuation that 'not publishing something' infers theres some nasty secret that the owner needs to hide that must undermine them
You're applying exactly the same conspiraloon logic that the birthers (including Trump) relied on and were roundly criticised for
Its not a red herring, its exactly the same - the insinuation that 'not publishing something' infers theres some nasty secret that the owner needs to hide that must undermine them
It's now expected that every presidential candidate gives up their tax returns, it's been done.
The idea that Obama wasn't American came out of the arse of a bunch of racist bigots who couldn't stomach him. The idea that something like not being born in the US could be hidden for so long given his jobs previously is madness.
And let's take a guess Obama knew 100% he was safe. Trump knows he is screwed.
You're applying exactly the same conspiraloon logic that the birthers (including Trump) relied on and were roundly criticised for
Not really.
Obama published his birth certificate in June 2008. We still haven't had Trump's tax returns. So by that comparison, he's almost 4 months late.
It's not unreasonable to draw the conclusion that Trump has something to hide.
failed businessman or tax evader
Well I wish I'd failed as much as he's done. He doesn't make the tax laws, the Democrats have been in the Whitehouse for 8 years and if they'd wanted to change the laws on loss carry forward they would have done.
As for being bankrupt like any remotely sensible commercial real estate businessman he groups assets into different companies so they stand or fall on their merits. Only an idiot would structure such a portfolio to be "joint amd several" liabilities.
Trump isn't "screwed" on this issue at all, tne people that hate him already still hate him.
Either candidate could turn this to their advantage by acknowledging those tax loopholes and pledging to reform them.
Clinton can't really attack Trump on the matter without doing so. And will she...?
Well I wish I'd failed as much as he's done. He doesn't make the tax laws
Not at all but when your preaching about hard working Americans etc then saying how clever you are not to pay any tax it's going to upset some people don't you think?
As for being bankrupt like any remotely sensible commercial real estate businessman he groups assets into different companies so they stand or fall on their merits. Only an idiot would structure such a portfolio to be "joint amd several" liabilities.
It's just not the sort of quality people look (or should look for) in a leader. As has been obvious to most his only interest is himself and the total disregard he has shown to his employees etc. are not the best quality of a leader.
The debate was very telling, as some commentators said he managed to start with but couldn't handle that amount of questioning or discussion I think it was more than double his longest debate speaking time so far and it was telling. His lack of preperation and cock ups like the tax thing which within an hour he was denying he had said highlighted to many that he is making it up as he goes along.
Trump isn't "screwed" on this issue at all, tne people that hate him already still hate him.
And that is the problem... He has the higher disaproved of rating of the 2 so more people hate him, he has't really changed any of those minds. His reponses on black deaths and Iran were woeful and his comments on Looks and Women mean in the groups he needs to win votes in he is still managing to alienate people. It's almost as if somebody has forgotten to tell him the stats.
mrlebowski - Member
Are you a businessman? Yes / No?
Yes.
Next question please.
How long have you been in business and did you hit the jackpot the first time? i.e. same business, same ideas since you first started?
Are you a billionaire £$ business like Trump? i.e. higher risk bankrupt faster.
If your business does not go well now and goes under i.e. bankrupt, will you start again or simply give up?
Easier said than done. He will be voted down if he tries to do that. Everyone sees that coming and will watch him like a hawk.captainsasquatch - Member
The problem being that he's going to be pushing for more legislation that helps him in this way rather than damage himself. He's a self serving idiot.
The better question is, is it illegal not to publish? If so why aren't he be arrested for not publishing?And if it's legal and above board, why is he not publishing details?
km79 - Member
Right and wrong do not equal legal and illegal. All to often wrong behavior is excused due to it being legal. It's sometimes only legal because those participating had the power to make it so.
Come again? You lost me there.
You mean you can judge people without legality? i.e. so it is illegal to have power or something? Explain please. So arrest the law makers if that make sense since they got all the powers whoever they are? Yes/No?
Didn't see any of their laws or our law (UK case) going after some of the IT tech giant companies or in the UK like BHS with pension funds shortage. Clear cut case isn't it with even news know about this. Yes, until they make mistake you cannot judge them guilty unless you want to be sued.Sandwich - Member
Eventually those who think they are smart cookies run up against someone like Mrs Sandwich and it all gets expensive and messy for them. The IRS are like the Mounties they will get their man if he's made a mistake.
Come again? You lost me there.
You mean you can judge people without legality? i.e. so it is illegal to have power or something? Explain please. So arrest the law makers if that make sense since they got all the powers whoever they are? Yes/No?
If you shit your pants in public, reach down scoop a handful up and bite down on it you've not broken any laws. Does that help?
and perhaps a little comparison, would be good to judge both candidates equally...
Clintin releases all tax docs - Trump none and then gets upset when the NYT's gets hold of some of them (though he says he would love to release them when hell freezes over)
Clinton releases detailed health docs and reports - Trump a letter that seems massivly sarcastic
Donald Trump's doctor finally spoke out in an interview that aired Friday night. But his comments aren't likely to end the questions about the strange letter he drafted last year declaring Trump would be the healthiest president in history.NBC News tracked down Dr. Harold Bornstein, who said in the interview that he crafted Trump's doctor letter in only about five minutes — declaring his patient healthier than all 43 American presidents — while a limousine waited impatiently outside for him to finish.
"I thought about it all day and at the end, I get rushed, and I get anxious when I get rushed," Bornstein said. "So I try to get four or five lines down as fast as possible so that they would be happy.
"I've got five minutes to sit right at this desk and write that letter while the driver waited for me."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/27/the-strange-tale-of-donald-trumps-doctor-letter-just-got-stranger/
Clinton details policy - Trump makes it up as he goes along
declaring his patient healthier than all 43 American presidents
To be fair, he is undeniably healthier than 38 of them.
And Jimmy Carter may still be ticking, but he is 92.
Healthier than Obama though? Really?
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No, not necessary if that is self harm related, as the law will sanction you if they see that life might be put in danger intentionally.thestabiliser - Member
If you shit your pants in public, reach down scoop a handful up and bite down on it you've not broken any laws. Does that help?
The better question is, is it illegal not to publish? If so why aren't he be arrested for not publishing?
Why is that a better question?
It's going to be hard for Trump to get away with complaining that America is failing to keep up in education, infrastructure, military spending, or whatever, if he hasn't paid a dime himself to support any of that over the past twenty years.
Chris Christie is calling him a genius 😯 don't know whether to laugh or cry at that one.
How long have you been in business and did you hit the jackpot the first time? i.e. same business, same ideas since you first started?
Are you a billionaire £$ business like Trump? i.e. higher risk bankrupt faster.
If your business does not go well now and goes under i.e. bankrupt, will you start again or simply give up?
I'm not going to divulge the details of what I do - if Trump won't why should I?
Suffice to say, I've run 3 companies. 2 very profitably (& are ongoing) & 1 I wound up BEFORE it went bankrupt. Nothing wrong with multiple attempts but going bankrupt FOUR times?? That smacks of stupidity, ineptitude & arrogance.
Once, maybe twice....BUT 4? I'd say you were failing to learn from your mistakes!
Trump is about an astute a businessman as I am a flying penguin.
Trump is about an astute a businessman as I am a flying penguin.
I'm sure I read that he has less money/assets now than he inherited. Hardly an entrepeneur....
It's a conspiracy, I tells ya!
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37547094?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37547094?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central[/url]
I am not asking you for details just general industry will do.mrlebowski - Member
I'm not going to divulge the details of what I do - if Trump won't why should I?
Suffice to say, I've run 3 companies. 2 very profitably (& are ongoing) & 1 I wound up BEFORE it went bankrupt. Nothing wrong with multiple attempts but going bankrupt FOUR times?? That smacks of stupidity, ineptitude & arrogance.
There is always the first time you might be bankrupted in business or to go into severe financial difficulty but the question is will you start a business again if you are bankrupted?
Bear in mind the next few years could be turbulent and the risk might be high with every chance of making a mistake (we all do), so there is always a likelihood you might be bankrupted for the first time.
The second question is whether you can cope with bankruptcy Trump managed but can you?
There is no certainty in life one minute you could be flying high the next minute you could be bankrupted or unemployed etc ... can you cope?
Therefore, you will only know yourself when you are bankrupted for the first time and perhaps you will see Trump differently after that.
Is that a prerequisite for being a politician? Rich? Are they all rich?Nobeerinthefridge - Member
I'm sure I read that he has less money/assets now than he inherited. Hardly an entrepeneur....
Because the question is trying to compliment yours to see if there is a different answer.captainsasquatch - Member
The better question is, is it illegal not to publish? If so why aren't he be arrested for not publishing?
Why is that a better question?
He's hiding something, everyone knows it, the only question now is whether he's hiding anything beyond having a good accountant and an ability to lose vast sums of money.
The news about his charity suggests there might be more.
Compliment accepted.
Stating the obvious but I'll stick with my initial prediction he won't win. I know there's a higher than average amount of nutters over there, but they don't represent the majority of the population.
Stating the obvious but I'll stick with my initial prediction he won't win. I know there's a higher than average amount of nutters over there, but they don't represent the majority of the population.
What was your Brexit prediction?
chestercopperpot - Member
Stating the obvious but I'll stick with my initial prediction he won't win. I know there's a higher than average amount of nutters over there, but they don't represent the majority of the population.
Too close to call but it will be good to see an outsider wins.