[Closed] Donald! Trump!

tjagain - Member

I really don't get all the vitriolic hatred for Clinton. , but why the level of hatred?

Rockape63

Believe it or not, part of the reason is the fact she's a woman!

Little or nothing to do with the fact she's a woman. There have been at least two threads about this on here recently. The main reason Americans seem to hate her is because she's totally corrupt - a living embodiment of everything that's wrong with America's political system.

Jambaliar will be along to cite Benghazi, e mail servers Clinton foundation etc all things that she has not been prosecuted for but throw enough mud and it sticks.

Amazingly a con man like Trump just seems to brush off anything or so his people think, when asked why he hadn't made his tax returns public he said he was being audited and he couldn't becuase it went against IRS rules which is a LIE, he also said he was clever in regards to his tax affairs. He didn't know what a blind trust was if he was elected president, he said his kids would run the business 😆

Also the Trump University scandal hasn't come into play or a lot of dealings with his charitable trust.

Trump is the most disiked Predisential nominee in history. Clinton is second. It's a battle between two terrible candidates.

Trump said he'll publish his tax returns once Hillary publishes the 33,000 emails she deleted before being investigated by the FBI. Everyone knows she used a private server for Government work so she can use "scrubbing software" and there would be no ability to restore them.

I am sure Trump doesn't publish his returns as like most business owners he pays very little tax. As he said "that's smart" after all he doesn't make the rules. Clinton Foundation is far more shady. As I said two terrible candidates,

Trump said he'll publish his tax returns once Hillary publishes the 33,000 emails she deleted before being investigated by the FBI

Except that we all know he would do no such thing. First is was the Audit, now it's the e-mails. If the e-mails weren't released he's just find some other excuse.

Clinton has been censured by the FBI for the e mail thing but no charges were pressed as they didn't have evidence, that's it it is done, let it go. Trump acting like a child I will show you mine if you show me yours.

No comment on the blind trust thing Jambaliar?

There is a great fear and hatred of communism.

So what do they make of Putin backing Trump???
And them exchanging compliments?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35124280
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37307018
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trump-and-putins-relationship/500852/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/opinion/donald-trumps-putin-crush.html

Or that he has multiple advisors who are very Russia-friendly:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2016/08/10/another-trump-adviser-with-deep-ties-to-russia/

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07v2yt5 ]Radio 4: The Briefing Room: Trump and Putin[/url]

As he pointed our 1 million Mexicans enter the US legally everyday.

And here is where the bullshit really does stick. Throw out enough impressive sounding stats and people who WANT those stats to be true will repeat them without bothering to fact check. See also the Brexit campaign for abject lies passed off as truths..

Here's what the Pew Research CEnter says:

The number of Mexican immigrants living in the U.S. illegally has declined. In 2014, 5.6 million unauthorized immigrants from Mexico lived in the U.S., down by about 1 million since 2007. Despite the drop, Mexicans still make up about half (49% in 2014) of unauthorized immigrants. At the same time, unauthorized immigration overall has leveled off in recent years.

Lets not let facts get in the way of hyperbole though eh?

GrahamS - Member

So what do they make of Putin backing Trump???

Putin isn't a communist. Not that this makes Trumps antics with Russia any less ridiculous.

Though, it's got to be interesting with the real meshback vote, where socialism = communism = bad, there's got to be an overlap with russia = communist = baddy. Maybe he can just take that vote for granted.

Really not sure what Trump gains from the Russia stuff though.

Oh, and this chart is interesting too:

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GrahamS - Member
So what do they make of Putin backing Trump???

Putin isn't a communist.

Exactly. What is Communist about Putin?

Trump-Clinton, if ever there was a sound reason for dictatorship its there, how did a country that gave us the Rooservolts, the Kennedys, Bush Snr and Obama get into this state?

You had a look at our choices at the moment? I don't think we've any room to be throwing stones.

And as well as those names you listed, they also gave us Reagan, and not one, but two terms for Dubya. A man who looked like he needed a carer to tie his shoe laces for him in the morning.

But I agree that the contrast between the intelligent, dignified, statesmanlike Obama and these pair of clowns couldn't be more glaring

I guess it depends if you view someone like Stalin as a communist or an ultra-nationalist hell bent on world domination. There's little to suggest Uncle Joe wanted a communist utopia rather than just absolute power.

Like Putin

What is Communist about Putin?

He's Russian - I'm just surprised that people with such an apparent paranoid fear of communism would make the distinction.

OzzyMan sums it up beautifully:

It would be excellent if the US and Russia got along better.

But I agree that the contrast between the intelligent, dignified, statesmanlike Obama and these pair of clowns couldn't be more glaring

Perhaps but after the hype, the Obama presidency has been a massive anti-climax

Wasn't that partly because the politics in the US became so polarised the senate/whateveritis rejected just about all of his policies?

But agree there was much hype.

AdamW - Member

Wasn't that partly because the politics in the US became so polarised the senate/whateveritis rejected just about all of his policies?

The zika bill is a perfect example of what happens when politicians forget they're supposed to govern. A federal bill that both parties want to pass gets filled with unconnected, politically motivated bullshit specifically so that the democrats will vote against it, so the republicans can say “The Democrats are more focused on protecting the mosquito than they are protecting people”. Absolute disgrace tbh but it's become business as usual to do this sort of damage

[quote=AdamW ]Wasn't that partly because the politics in the US became so polarised the senate/whateveritis rejected just about all of his policies?
But agree there was much hype.

Not that it's a big surprise, but wasn't there some Republican recently quoted saying that it was their party policy to block anything he tried to do without even considering the merits? Politics in the US is properly shit.

What the hell....do 1 million Mexicans really enter US everyday!!!

The population of Mexico is less than 130 million..if that number was correct Mexico would be deserted in about 5 months

Yeah - it's the sort of thing that anyone would type and then say "hang on a mo, that makes no sense".

Pigface the namecalling is very Trumpesque. You are Donald and I claim my £5

He really could win.

The 1 million Mexicans remark was made in front of the Mexican President, it's not 1 way traffic is it, they visit for a few days and then return.

I fear Trump is going to win.

I don't think all this fact checkig is making any difference. He's made so many completely contradictory statements already and he's still really close in the polls. His supporters won't listen.

People are living in two separate worlds of information.

The 1 million Mexicans remark was made in front of the Mexican President, it's not 1 way traffic is it, they visit for a few days and then return.

So it's irrelevant, then. Thanks for clarifying.

Jambaliar hypocrisy is your thing, may I remind you of you calling people Remoaners, give my £5 to a charity of your choice.

He really could win

Only in the sense that's he's in the race.

So since my post who watched the debate?

Yawn, personal insults are your style not mine. Your post started with an insultbfor no reason and not in the context of any recent discussion. Re-moaners is a collective term for those that can't accept the result, it was never aimed at anyone here personally.

Mike. Definitely not me, US Presidential debates 30 years ago put me off the format for good. Never watch any (inc Referendum ones) although you can't help to see the news coverage. What was absolutely clear to me is that this one would be really terrible. Polls are tied and Clinton spending huge amounts (record ?) and Trump not so much.

Of course he can win. Focusing on facts and truths is missing the point about why/how he can win.

Jambaliar,

Yawn, personal insults are your style not mine. Your post started with an insultbfor no reason and not in the context of any recent discussion. Re-moaners is a collective term for those that can't accept the result, it was never aimed at anyone here personally

You have told load of lies, fibs, porkies seems a very apt name. I think one of the best was Clinton had had a stroke, when asked you couldn't prove it.

Carry on.

Carry on.

Saw the debate ...

Trump will win with narrow margin.

Hilary is not even good at debating and relied heavily on her notes.

Hilary wins ... more opportunities for the Far East and quicken the demise of western/US industries.

Trump wins you have the balancing effect on the world.

Donald Trump is a lying racist piece of flotsam and anyone who is stupid enough to defend him is a lowlife piece of ignorant scum too. He is truly odious in that he doesn't care who he insults or steps on to get what he wants. His style is cheap, yet there are far too many idiots who are willing to be sucked in by his bile.
Rant over.

The President is very much a figurehead - he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.

captainsasquatch - Member

Donald Trump is a lying racist piece of flotsam and anyone who is stupid enough to defend him is a lowlife piece of ignorant scum too. He is truly odious in that he doesn't care who he insults or steps on to get what he wants. His style is cheap, yet there are far too many idiots who are willing to be sucked in by his bile.
Rant over.

Crikey. I bet there are many Americans that disagree with you.

Well I hope Trump does win. Not because he is a nice bloke but because America is screwed in so many ways and voting for the status quo; i.e. Clinton isn't what they need. The fact that he is an unsophisticated, uncouth man is what is good about him, not what is bad. Ditto Farrage. Its the elite's inability to understand this that is why they deserve to lose. People don't want more elitist, professional, career politicians.

Like it or not, this is what is going on.

Crikey. I bet there are many Americans that disagree with you.

hh45 - Member

captainsasquatch - Member

Crikey. I bet there are many Americans that disagree with you.

I imagine there are a fair few Ukippers who think they've got a handle on the world too.
They're still thick and wrong. And it's all a bit sad that there are so many that are taken in by this crap.
1.7 million unemployed, 1.7 immigrants? Eh? Eh?

because America is screwed in so many ways

& the best possible thing they could do is vote in someone whose going to screw it up even further....

Oh yeah, that's a really solid & well though out course of action...

🙄

Crikey. I bet there are many Americans that disagree with you.

Most likely yes, but he does make some valid points...

Trump is a nasty, loud-mouthed, uncouth, odious, border line racist who thinks the truth is a mere inconvenience to be overcome on his way to the top..

He's Farage's wet dream of a drinking partner basically!

Unfortunately you cannot go on lying to the working class people that a better world is waiting for them. Tried that. Been there. Feel like a donkey. Now try voting for something new ... try a new party.

Fair point..

But....

If you think Trump is a man of the people then you are seriously deluded!

People don't want more elitist, professional, career politicians.

Like Farage (and of course Trump is also an unprivileged man of the people)? There is something rather ironic that these are the figureheads of ordinary people rebelling against the elite and wealthy

mrlebowski - Member
& the best possible thing they could do is vote in someone whose going to screw it up even further....

Oh yeah, that's a really solid & well though out course of action...

A risk worth taking.

Most likely yes, but he does make some valid points...

Trump is a nasty, loud-mouthed, uncouth, odious, border line racist who thinks the truth is a mere inconvenience to be overcome on his way to the top..

He's Farage's wet dream of a drinking partner basically!

He is who he is.

Fair point..

But....

If you think Trump is a man of the people then you are seriously deluded!

Who cares if he is the man of the people so long as people feel good about him.

Unfortunately you cannot go on lying to the working class people that a better world is waiting for them. Tried that. Been there. Feel like a donkey. Now try voting for something new ... try a new party.

yep millionaire, son of millionaires convincing the common man they are looking out for them against the millionaire elites 🙄

He is who he is.

Sounds you quite like him.

I for one, could never side with someone like Trump or Farage regardless of how I felt due to their xenophobic tendencies.

But, well, I guess that's the one of the drawbacks of having a conscience..

Who cares if he is the man of the people so long as people feel good about him.

I've stepped in puddles deeper than you if that's how you really feel..

Who cares if he is the man of the people so long as people feel good about him.