Forum menu
Not sure what you are referring to Tom?
senior dems now blaming Comey & the FBI for sitting on knowledge of Russian hacking b4 election
mikewsmith - MemberMan from big oil to head up EPA.... we going to be a digging and a burning again.
And being reported that the CEO of Exxon is to be secretary of state, in case there was any doubt.
"So what do you think about sanctions on Russia Mr Tillerson?"
"Well, when I was CEO for Exxon we wrote an oil deal worth $500bn with Russia, which we had to cancel because of sanctions. But that doesn't affect my opinion..."
[img] 
[/img]
"The swamp just got 10 feet deeper"
(that's actually quite good! I may have to do some sort of words on pictures internet thing)
A little light hearted fun
Not sure what you are referring to Tom?
Mostly a tongue in cheek reference to Dusan Popov.
People with business experience running a country. It's certainly different and is just what America voted for. I know posters here don't buy the logic that wealthy business people are less corruptable by politicans who wish to become wealthly but it matters not what STW think, that's what the American voters believe and it should also be understood that people who have made money in business are respected by working class Americans.
The whole hacking story just shows up holes in Democratic Party security procedures and makes them look unfit to Govern.
Trump is going to be President and IMO is going to do a decent enough job to get relected in 2021. The anti-Capitalist protestors are going to go into meltdown as he is going to focus on US Economic prosperity.
The whole hacking story just shows up holes in Democratic Party security procedures and makes them look unfit to Govern.
The republican party was also hacked. Info was stolen and not published, Somebody in the Russian government made that decision.
[insert blatant speculation] Who's to say that the Republicans have not been blackmailed by the Russians? Done a deal? Might explain all that traffic between the Russian Bank and Trump servers[/insert blatant speculation]
People with business experience running a country.
Nothing against that, just putting the guy who has spent the last few years trying to sue the EPA to remove what is fairly weak in a world sense seems a fairly obvious conflict of interest.
the americans didnt elect a real businessman though
they elected a reality tv personality
whos stuffing his government with just the kind of nasty white supremacists, bankers, and creationists that youd expect from a man who did this at a rally
[img] 
[/img]
no, really, thats the guy you think will do a sterling job and be elected again? 😯
The republican party was also hacked. Info was stolen and not published
Maybe they didn't find any evidence of the Republican Party plotting to undermine one of their own candidates, and leaking debate questions to their favoured one?
As long as you don't take the environment, minorities, average Americans quality of life, foreign policy, healthcare, women's rights, the constitution or civil liberties into account then I agree that Trump will do a successful job in making himself richer as he lies and tweets his way through four years. Obviously that's only based on things he's said, his past actions and a bit of speculation.
Maybe they didn't find any evidence of the Republican Party plotting to undermine one of their own candidates, and leaking debate questions to their favoured one?
ah he's back 😉 seeing as the published every email the stole to wikileaks it seems a little one sided. If that doesn't make you at least a little curious as to why....
Couple that with the glowing praise of Putin, the server traffic etc. it's enough to be dodgy by your high standards for proof.
Maybe they didn't find any evidence of the Republican Party plotting to undermine one of their own candidates,
😆 Ha ha ha , What the actual?
The republicans tried every single trick they could to keep Trump off the ticket
Who can forget the gutwrenching look of shame on Mit Romney's face as he sat down to dine and beg for scraps with an exultant trump purely because hed spent so much time trying to destroy the guy
[img] 
[/img]
I'm sure there are Republican emails a-plenty that the Russians could be sitting on thatd be perfect for manipulating a tantrum prone narcissist like Trump.
pfffff..... this is where it starts getting really obvious that The Donald's combination of ignorance and egomania are hugely dangerous:
He took "a congratulatory call" from the president of Taiwan without fully understanding the political ramifications...... so he's now changing America's foreign policy towards China: doubling-down instead of admitting that he made a mistake.
With any luck, his administration will spend all their time in the next 12 months trying to put out fires that this monkey starts on twitter, and so wont actually have any time to do anything they promised.
The ironies are coming thick and fast at the moment - look at who he's appointing to his administration, it's a shame that most Trump supporters (Trumpers?) still can't see that they have been taken for the fools that they so obviously are.
Theres some classic comments in this article from intelligence officers in regards to Trump, I wonder if any of them are veiled threats.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/11/intelligence-agencies-cia-donald-trump-russia
“Look, in my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself.“He is about the juiciest intelligence target an intelligence office could imagine. He groans with vulnerabilities. He will only work with individuals or entities that agree with him and build him up, and he is a shockingly easy intelligence ‘target’ to manipulate.”
😀
Some great comments in there from CIA types
Trump is so easily manipulated because he's the ultimate snowflake!
“Look, in my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself.“He is about the juiciest intelligence target an intelligence office could imagine. He groans with vulnerabilities. He will only work with individuals or entities that agree with him and build him up, and he is a shockingly easy intelligence ‘target’ to manipulate.”
Right now he's slagging off his own intelligence service in defence of Russia. 😯
There will bonuses all round at the FSB this year !
Had to laugh at the reporting around Trump's (daily) Intelligence briefings, allegedly he said "I am too smart to need to hear the same stuff everyday"
batfink the Americans who voted for Trump voted to have business people in charge of the country.
Not to worry batfink, I'm sure the daily intelligence briefings will get The Donald up to speed before he actually becomes president.
Oh.
[i]"y'know, I'm, like, a smart person. I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years."[/i] 🙄
(Edit: jamba beat me to it)
batfink the Americans who voted for Trump voted to have business people in charge of the country.
Yep a man who's primary aim is to make himself richer...
Will be fun to see him defending himself against the Russian allegations for at least his first year, reckon there are plenty who are happy to keep asking questions.
He took "a congratulatory call" from the president of Taiwan without fully understanding the political ramifications.....so he's now changing America's foreign policy towards China: doubling-down instead of admitting that he made a mistake.
Or alternatively he fully realised the political sensitivities and was perfectly happy to speak to a democratically elected leader of an independent state that the USA already protects, rather than care about the sensitivities of an autocratic single party state with an horrific human rights record, who he has been saying for several years is a serial currency manipulator and positively wants to send a shot across the bows of.
Intelligence briefings seems entirely sensible - "tell me immediatley if anything changes"
We're in the post-truth world. Who needs those inconvenient 'fact' things getting in the way of opinion forming.
Tell me what I want to hear, or don't tell me anything at all
Or he's an idiot.
Will be fun to see him defending himself against the Russian allegations for at least his first year, reckon there are plenty who are happy to keep asking questions.
First year?
Donald spent five years publicly claiming that Obama wasn't born in the states. It was only a couple of months ago during the campaign that he finally conceded that he was.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/donald-trump-birther/
yes ninfan of course, without any proper briefings, understanding of the situation, knowledge of whats going on behind the scenes etc. but hey we know you have the T-shirt. Perhaps you might consider looking at Trump and thinking what you would say if it was Clinton saying/doing them.
Making stuff up again Mike? You have no evidence at all on which to form an opinion of Trumps knowledge of China or the international aspects, you're just relying on media bS to jump to a conclusion.
Jamba - worth a watch:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/former-pm-mulroney-suggests-trump-could-be-good-for-canada-1.3192479
Intelligence briefings seems entirely sensible - "tell me immediatley if anything changes"
So in your opinion, Donald, who has been president elect for a little over a month, already knows everything a president needs to know about world security, international relations, ongoing intelligence operations and military actions?
So in your opinion, Donald, who has been president elect for a little over a month, already knows everything a president needs to know about world security, international relations, ongoing intelligence operations and military actions?
But that isn't what he said
Go back and read the article
Ninfan, what's your stance on Trump's view that no-one really knows about global warming? Obviously he knows better than 98% of the scientific community?
Making stuff up again Mike? You have no evidence at all on which to form an opinion of Trumps knowledge of China or the international aspects, you're just relying on media bS to jump to a conclusion.
No, has he got a full briefing from the CIA, the FBI, the NSA etc. not much will change your mind of the Don but most people seem to have worked out that the Tiawan thing was at best a stupid mistake at worst a ridiculous play.
What would you be saying if Hillary had done that, or if she had praised Russia only for it to come out that the Russian govt hacked campaign servers but didn't release those emails... what about the email traffic between his servers and the well known Russian front bank?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/09/obama_russian_election_hacking_investigation/
No, has he got a full briefing from the CIA, the FBI, the NSA etc.
Well, clearly yes he has, hence the point above about the duration between his briefings rather than the existence of them
not much will change your mind of the Don but most people seem to have worked out that the Tiawan thing was at best a stupid mistake at worst a ridiculous play.
Ah, "most people" - you mean "the people in my leftie utopia social media bubble"
What would you be saying if Hillary had done that, or if she had praised Russia only for it to come out that the Russian govt hacked campaign servers but didn't release those emails...
I would draw the conclusion that they either didn't find any useful information, possibly due to the fact that nobody broke security protocols by sending emails containing classified and top secret information vis unsecure servers. A security protocol developed because of the risk of foreign powers hacking email servers...
what about the email traffic between his servers and the well known Russian front bank?
Yes, international business doing business internationally, very suspicious
But that isn't what he said
Go back and read the article
I listened carefully to his actual words in the Fox interview.
And to my ears it still sounded an awful lot like [i]"you guys get on with your jobs, I'll be on golf course, call me if it is really important."[/i]
I understand that you hear it differently.
Yes, international business doing business internationally, very suspicious
so you havn't read up on it then, traffic between 2 servers. Trump one went down then a new one pops up with no other traffic with no public record that the Russian bank managed to hit. The only way of knowing that would have been to be told. But anyway, squeaky clean we shall just wait for the next one to come along
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ivanka-trump-japan-business-deal-donald-trump-shinzo-abe-prime-minister-a7457161.html
Ivanka Trump was reportedly closing a business deal with a Japanese clothing company – of which the country’s government is a large stake holder – as she sat in on a meeting between her father, President-elect Donald Trump, and Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.
still sounded an awful lot like
So you get the fact that you are choosing to interpret his words with a meaning that the words spoken didn't actually contain, well done, that's a big step towards beginning to understand your own bias, once you transcend that level and listen to the actual words, perhaps dawn will break through the clouds for you
that's a big step towards beginning to understand your own bias,
[img]
[/img]
Graham I could well imagine the daily intelligence briefings woud go something like
We continue to launch airstrikes against IS in Syria and Iraq, yesterday we conducted X strikes
We continue to monitor Russian troop movements in Ukraine and around the Baltic state borders
We continue to monitor China's activities in the South China Sea where Island building continues apace
The nutjob is still in charge in North Korea and he executed another general with an anti aircraft gun
Really what is new ?
@akira I think the "deniers" stance is that the world is warming up anyway due to a cyclical climate change. Also in practical terms unless countries like China and India agree real reform what's the point of the US doing anything ? Not my view but understandable.
So you get the fact that you are choosing to interpret his words with a meaning that the words spoken didn't actually contain, well done,
Not really.
The words he spoke clearly do contain that meaning. It may not have been the one he intended, but that's his failing as an orator, not mine as a listener.
Of course, for the Trump camp, his words can also be interpreted to be pushing the nice little subversive message that, unlike all those past presidents, The Donald is a man of action that doesn't have time to sit in boring meetings about boring world security, because he'll be too busy making American great again.
[quote=jambalaya ]Really what is new ?
Yet every other president before him has put up with this infliction on their daily life, presumably none of them were arrogant enough to think it was a waste of their time to be kept up to date and reminded daily of the situation so they were always fully informed?
Graham I could well imagine the daily intelligence briefings woud go something like
That's clearly the image Trump wants to portray, though how he would know that after only a month of being President Elect and only taking a meeting once a week I'm not entirely sure.
Maybe Obama told him?
Obviously we don't know, but personally I would imagine if you have the vast intelligence services of the US and their huge deployed military force, that there is probably something of interest to the Commander In Chief pretty much every day.
Obviously we don't know, but personally I would imagine if you have the vast intelligence services of the US and their huge deployed military force, that there is probably something of interest to the Commander In Chief pretty much every day.
So clearly that would be covered by the phrase "if something should change from this point, immediatley call me, I'm available on one minutes notice"
Non?
So clearly that would be covered by the phrase "if something should change from this point, immediatley call me, I'm available on one minutes notice"Non?
I can see why he is such a considerable business man, just head off to the golf course and delegate. Your defense is sterling ninfan, I might be close on my fiver 😉 are you Nigel Farage?
@ninfan thanks, 10 mins well spent. Interesting and pragmatic comments about the oil pipeline too.
Trump is meeting most of the big tech bosses this week (Apple, Google, facebook, amazon ... ) they don't agree with his (or my 😉 ) views on encryption but imo he is going to shake things up and get some manufacturing and tax revenues back onshore the US.
Non.
I would imagine that [i]something[/i] does change on a daily basis.
And I can't imagine that Trump [i]really[/i] wants called up at 3am to be told about, say, Russian air strikes in Aleppo or the capture of a senior ISIS member.
But if he is to be an informed leader then he does still need to know about these things, perhaps at some kind of daily morning briefing. Non?
And I can't imagine that Trump really wants called up at 3am to be told about, say, Russian air strikes in Aleppo or the capture of a senior ISIS member.But if he is to be an informed leader then he does still need to know about these things, perhaps at some kind of daily morning briefing. Non?
Reminiscent of nobody waking Hitler up to tell him about D-Day, because of strict orders not to disturb, and as a result nobody having authority to release the panzer reserve. "It's alright lads, it can wait for the morning briefing"
Or perhaps that the embassy in Benghazi was under attack...
Trumps interview was pretty clear that expects his people to have a bit of common sense and tell him about stuff that's important, but not just needlessly reside the same information over and over again if nothing has changed. Sounds like the sort of common sense approach that would help you develop a multi billion dollar business empire
So ninfan do you think as a successful businessman he will be happy slapping a 35% tax and other punishments on his overseas manufacturing enterprises 😉
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/08/news/economy/donald-trump-trade/
"It's alright lads, it can wait for the morning briefing"
You're buying into Trump's own subliminal narrative there ninfan.
I'm quite sure that prior presidents didn't rely [i]solely[/i] on the morning briefing and have also been [i]"available on one minutes notice"[/i]. He's not the first POTUS to have a mobile phone.
Though he might be the first one to receive his emergency briefings on Twitter 😆
Some world-class turd polishing going on in this thread in Trump's defence.
I'd imagine the info a POTUS gets in his daily intelligence briefing has already been filtered down to its purest need-to-know essence by a well-oiled cadre of extremely capable people.
Shame it doesn't contain news of former Miss Universes and sex tapes and the like, but you can't please everyone.
He says he's open minded about climate change but he's going to put an pipe executive in charge of the EPA and has been looking into which people have been asking questions about climate change. Sounds single minded to me. Also other countries are eating his lunch apparently, maybe he should put his name on it, he likes putting his name on things....
ninfan - MemberSo clearly that would be covered by the phrase "if something should change from this point, immediatley call me, I'm available on one minutes notice"
Do you think his depiction- that the most senior member of the intelligence service comes and meets the president every day and says "Nothing has changed, but let's go over it again anyway"- is correct/true? And that after so little time he knows everything he needs to know?
If the briefings Trump gets genuinely are like this, which I doubt, ask yourself why that might be- why does an expert repeat a briefing to a layman? Or a teacher repeat a lesson?
If [i]I'm[/i] briefing senior staff and I say, "Nothing's changed, but let's go over it again" it's because I don't think they get it. If someone says it to me, I know they don't think I get it. Or it's so absolutely critical that it bears repeating- in which case, if I trust their judgement in their field of expertise, I'll listen again... and if I don't there's a much bigger problem.
Truman introduced these briefings to the president-elect because he learned the hard way that he didn't know enough, and he wanted to fix that. Trump, it seems, thinks he already knows all he needs to know after just a few briefings. This even though he's probably got the steepest learning curve of any recent president, since he's not come from within the political system. Meanwhile it doesn't seem like any other president let alone president-elect has felt these aren't valuable, even late in their terms when they've had 8 years of them.
Is he as well informed as the current president? Basically impossible, at this point, no president-elect is ever going to be. So that leaves 2 obvious conclusions; he thinks he's better informed than he is, or he thinks he doesn't need to be as informed as everyone else thinks he needs to be to do the job. Neither is good. Dunning-Krueger or absentee landlord.
You know what happens when a crisis arises and the boss doesn't know what's happening? At best, he ends up just doing what he's told by his qualified staff. Is [i]that[/i] what people were voting for, a technocracy with a figurehead who does what his directors say because he's not been listening and they're "very, very good people"
At worst, he does something, anything, just to take action.
I think Northwind has nailed it
In his latest red faced child tantrum he was slgging off the CIA for being partisan because they dared to suggest that outside forces helped him win the election.
His ego really is that delicate that he cant accept that anything other than his own genius got him into power?
So hes just ignores his intelligence briefings and goes with his own ideas on whats really going on or presumably what his inner circle are telling him
not scary at all!
I see hes also costing the USA more than any other president elect has before starting the job, and people still think hes going to be good for the economy 🙂
rump is meeting most of the big tech bosses this week (Apple, Google, facebook, amazon ... ) they don't agree with his (or my ) views on encryption but imo he is going to shake things up and get some manufacturing and tax revenues back onshore
I wonder why a Russian puppet and mogul who dislikes the US intelligence community, wants a back door to encrypted American industrial communication?
I'm going to laugh in your face so hard Jamby, if Trump turns out to be the biggest intelligence penetration by the FSB of the US in recorded history.
[quote=ninfan ]Sounds like the sort of common sense approach that would help you develop a multi billion dollar business empire
So how come he hasn't managed that (better than he'd have done just sticking daddy's money in a bank)?
So the article says if he'd just invested he'd be worth between 2.1 and 5.2 billion dollars, Forbes estimate his wealth at 3.7 billion.....um
Never mind investing in the S&P he should have just invented MS-DOS and in his sparetime Facebook and he'd be worth much much more. Or used hindsight and just picked the most succesful start-ups. Also these calculations ignore state and Federal taxes which you'd have to pay on dividends and stock switches.
It also doesn't include not paying contractors or buying stuff/paying off fines with money from his 'charity' so he's probably worth a bit more than a more scrupulous businessman would be.
Northwind I don't think teacher/pupil is a good example. Its more like CEO and senior manager and you don't tell the boss something over and over again.
Some world-class turd polishing going on in this thread in Trump's defence.
Top post 🙂 Stef imo Trump is going to turn out ok an do well enough to get re-elected. We all need to learn to live with that. The US spends 3.6% GDP on defence for a whopping 20% of all govt spending, Trump has a very good point that many in NATO are slacking at 1% vs 2% target, if they want protecting they should honour their end of the bargain. If they are afaird of Putin they should build up their own military and/or stop goading him via EU expansion eastwards.
Personally I think all those who have been complaining about US interference internationally are going to be shouting even more loudly when the US stands back and says - "not our problem, not our backyard you sort it out"
You forget that the reason the US intervenes so much is because it makes them money, lots of it.
Forbes estimate his wealth as $3.7 Billion
I reckon that you can take it as read that becoming president has seen the value of the Trump brand, in particular in the value of the goodwill apportioned to it, increase significantly overnight 😉
I don't think teacher/pupil is a good example. Its more like CEO and senior manager and you don't tell the boss something over and over again.
although apparently, sources close to him have declared that working with him is akin to working with a petulant toddler
Hopefully the White House has a naughty step.
After watching two documentaries about the US meddling in other countries elections over the weekend, it is actually amusing that the same has happened there, reap what you sow, or something like that.
Looks like we won't be getting a carrier fighter now, either 😀
YAY! Useless carriers - well done to the Tories for scrapping the Cats and Traps requirement!
The Tories and Trump are an utter joke, I'm actually starting to miss the Bush/Blair days.
[b]Spoiler alert [/b] Trump is going to suggest buying the Su-34 😀 Disrupting Western defense industry, undermining Nato and attacking US intelligence - hahahah - yep, Putin plant.
well done to the Tories for scrapping the Cats and Traps requirement
Who ordered the f***ers without them in the first place?
If they'd gone for off the shelf steam instead of electromechanical - costs wouldn't have doubled. The tories were the ones that made the decision to scrap the CATOBAR design right at the time that serious issues with the F-35B were arrising.
Face it, Trump is a Russian plant and by extention so is your messiah Farrage - I wouldn't be suprised at all to find Russian money had poured into the leave campaign 😀
This is great, for the first time in a long while the left can really accuse the right of undermining western security 😀
here we go again...
Donald Trump has delayed an announcement on how he plans to separate his business empire interests from his role as US president.
The US president-elect had been due to hold a rare press conference on Thursday to discuss how he would deal with perceived conflicts of interest.
...
On his Twitter account, Mr Trump says he will hold a news conference "in the near future" to discuss his business interests and his cabinet picks. He also indicated that two of his children would manage his businesses, with the help of executives, and that "no deals will be done" when he is president.
Cause that's not a conflict of interest
Meanwhile the swamp pump seams blocked
Meanwhile, Mr Trump said he was appointing Goldman Sachs President Gary Cohn as his "top economic adviser".
Mr Cohn will head the the White House National Economic Council, a position that will make him one of the most influential voices on economic decisions in the White House.The Goldman president is the third person from the bank to join Mr Trump's cabinet.
Steven Mnuchin - the incoming Treasury Secretary - and Steve Bannon - the new senior White House adviser are both former Goldman executives.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38297701
Donald Trump Is Gonna Get Us Killed
by Michael Moore
A week has gone by since Donald Trump admitted he's only been to "two or three" of his daily presidential national security briefings. There have been 36 of them since the day he secured enough electoral college votes to be appointed president next Monday when the Electoral College meets.
Most would agree the #1 job of the leader of any country is to keep its people safe. There is no more important meeting every day for the President than the one where he learns what the day's potential threats are to the country. That Trump would find it too cumbersome or too annoying to have to sit through 20 minutes of listening to his top intelligence people tell him who's trying to kill us today, simply boggles the mind.
Of course, our minds have been so boggled so many times in the past year by this foolish man no one seems that surprised or concerned. He can get up at 5 in the morning and send angry, childish tweets about how he's being portrayed on SNL ("Not funny! Unwatchable!"), or belittling the local elected union leader in Indiana, but he doesn't have time to hear about the threats to our national security.
So, my fellow Americans, when the next terrorist attack happens -- and it will happen, we all know that -- and after the tragedy is over, amidst the death and destruction that might have been prevented, you will see Donald Trump acting quickly to blame everyone but himself. He will suspend constitutional rights. He will round up anyone he deems a threat. He will declare war, and his Republican Congress will back him.
And no one will remember that he wasn't paying attention to the growing threat. Wasn't attending the daily national security briefings. Was playing golf instead or meeting with celebrities or staying up til 3am tweeting about how unfair CNN is. He said he didn't need to be briefed. "You know, I think I'm smart. I don't need to hear the same thing over and over each day for eight years." That's what he told Fox News on December 11th when asked why he wasn't attending the security briefings. Don't forget that date and his hubris as we bury the dead next year.
We had a president like him before. He, too, lost the popular vote, a majority of Americans saying they didn't want him in the Oval Office. But his governor/brother and his ex-CIA chief/dad's appointees to the Supreme Court put an end to that, and he was installed as Commander-in-Chief. On August 6, 2001, he was on a month-long vacation at his ranch in Texas. That morning, the White House Counsel handed him his daily national security briefing. He glanced at it, set it aside and then went fishing for the rest of the day. Below is the photo of that moment which I showed the world in "Fahrenheit 9/11". The headline on the security briefing reads: BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE INSIDE U.S. On the top page it tells how bin Laden will do this: with planes. George W. Bush didn't leave the ranch to go back to work for the next four weeks. In the fifth week, bin Laden attacked the US with planes on September 11th.
It's one thing to have a president who was asleep at the wheel. But, my friends, it's a whole other thing to now have a president-elect who REFUSES TO EVEN GET BEHIND THE WHEEL! This utter neglect of duty, a daily snub at the people who work to protect us, the first Commander-in-Chief to literally be AWOL and announcing proudly he isn't going to change -- this, I assure you, is going to get a lot of innocent people killed.
To you, Mr. Trump, I say this: When this next terrorist attack takes place, it is YOU who will be charged by the American people with a gross dereliction of duty. It was YOUR job to pay attention, to protect the country. But you were too busy tweeting and defending Putin and appointing cabinet members to dismantle the government. You didn't have time for the daily national security briefing. Don't think we're going to let you use a modern-day burning of the Reichstag as your excuse to eliminate our civil liberties and our democracy.
We will remember that while the plot to kill Americans was being hatched, your time was consumed by whom you saw as the real threat to America: Alec Baldwin in a wig.
Perhaps Alex Baldwin can go to the security briefings and then explain the problems in a skit on SNL?
and lets throw in a serious pro Russia and anti environment bunch of mates
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/12/14/its-hard-to-overstate-how-anti-environment-donald-trumps-cabin/?utm_hp_ref=au-homepage
http://www.smh.com.au/world/slick-decision-trumps-prorussia-secretary-of-state-pick-rex-tillerson-signals-trouble-ahead-20161213-gtaoqa.html
If the givernment actually approves his picks
Next asking for the people who actually understand and know about climate change
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/09/505041927/trump-transition-asks-energy-dept-which-employees-work-on-climate-change
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/09/trump-transition-team-for-energy-department-seeks-names-of-employees-involved-in-climate-meetings/?utm_term=.c05f51060100
and lets remember why there are sanctions against Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_during_the_Ukrainian_crisis
and lets not forget the murder of 298 people.
One Texas republican voter has already said he would not vote for Trump in January.
It won't be enough to change the results but it shows the difficulties coming for Trump.
$7.5m wasted on the recounts all to show Trump actually got a few more votes than originally thought. Good work for the lawyers though.
We will have to wait and see whether Trump has a better or worse track record than Obama on security issues. Maybe not having a daily briefing will prove to be no bad thing. I would also think a lot of the daily briefings are to do with other peoples problems, ie not the US.
@cchris I am willing to wager a US under Trump is going to face endless critism for NOT intervening in conflicts on behalf of others. I think his attitude is going to be "not our problem" and thats going to cause a lot of concern for others.
$7.5m wasted on the recounts all to show Trump actually got a few more votes than originally thought. Good work for the lawyers though.
But I thought that the manual recounts were going to show us [b]absolute proof[/b] that Russia had hacked the US election in order to get Trump elected? You mean to come here now and tell us that it was just a butthurt leftie fantasy?
As I said earlier, US intervention is good for their businesses. That is why they do it.
But I thought that the manual recounts were going to show us absolute proof that Russia had hacked the US election in order to get Trump elected? You mean to come here now and tell us that it was just a butthurt leftie fantasy?
You saying the cia are lying on this? How about all those pro Russia nominations? You know as much as anyone ninfan no smoke without fire.
I never had ninfan down as the sort of guy who opposed the CIA and defended Putin
Still those lefties eh bloody hypocrites eh
Even if the CIA don't have any proof, it would be entirely fitting if parties with vested interests in seeing the democrats in power have caught on to post-truth politics as well. 😆
Wait for the butthurt right everyone 😆
7.5million in private donations, if it gets under trump's paper thin skin is probably worth it 😉
He's already cost the American taxpayer [url= https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-costs-more-protect-us-leader-president-history-a7456046.html%3Famp?client=ms-android-motorola ]more than any other president elect in US history[/url]
And some people actually think he will be good for their economy !
yep Jamby & ninfan never letting the facts get in the way of a good moan, must be hard trying to ignore all the bad stuff he is doing already.
I feel a game of blankety blank coming on here
I am willing to wager a US under Trump is going to face endless critism for ____________________________
Whats that...
Early morning Tweet
Spelling wrong
Confrontational language
International implications
Guess this is the sort of stuff you might learn about in intelligence briefings
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/17/donald-trump-china-unpresidented-act-us-navy-drone
Observers have suggested that both during the presidential campaign – in which Trump offered belligerent rhetoric against China over trade – and after his election victory, he has used outlandish statements on Twitter as a means of distraction when under pressure from the media and opponents.He is currently facing the belief of the White House, the CIA, the FBI and other intelligence agencies that Russia sought to influence the election in his favour – claims he has rejected and ridiculed – and questions about his business holdings and conflicts of interest that will arise when he takes office.