Even ignoring his polices there is nothing to admire in him
Success is a big thing in America. So rich people automatically have cachet, rather than mistrust and cynicism like they have here.
I'm looking forward to Charlie Brookers end of year review special,
I don't see him adding anything new above the conversations that everybody has been having today.
He is just not fit for high office irrespective of what I think of his policies. He is petulant, self absorbed, prone to outbursts, acts without thinking, likes to bully and throw his weight around and he has very few morals in the pursuit of making himself richer and more powerful.
Junkyard, do you think his behaviour(s) might...modify in office?
I don't know.
Rhetoric is one thing when grabbing the job but when in the job....?
America may not be full of racists but they've just endorsed an openly racist, misogynist.
I'm sure that Trump won't be able to do all the stupid things he promised in his campaign, but h is campaign has been bitter and horribly divisive, just as with Brexit, I'm sure there will be a surge of hate crime and racism.
Those genies are damn hard to put back in- is something no brexiter on here or in the government had had the courage to admit, Trump will be the same.
The KKK are probably getting the flaming crosses and nooses on standby, it's back to the good 'ol days !
Junky nice to hear from you. If you are astounded you need to spend more time in the US and especially away from the coasts to understand the place. Even Democrats think the European welfare state is a joke. We all think gun control is essential but that's a big vote loser in the US as Clinton found out.
Oops double post
[quote=molgrips ]Even ignoring his polices there is nothing to admire in him
Success is a big thing in America. So rich people automatically have cachet, rather than mistrust and cynicism like they have here.
I'm sure we'd all do well with daddies money.
The fact Trump has made a consistent pigs ear of daddies money doesn't seem to be an issue...
WELL DONE MR TRUMP, a well fought election against hilary, who had no chance of ever winning, the people have spoken, and chosen well.
We urgently need to suspend all remoaning on here so we can figure out 'what the hell is going on' then comment/waffle extensively and endlessly on it with our solutions to reversing the results of democratic processes.
😆
Offish - no he will not modify - he has a personality disorder and is incapable of doing so
I do fear he will try to take revenge against scotland and the SNP
His speech suggests he might try but a leopard cannot change its spots and his hubris and ego will be his downfall or he will press the wrong button with his tiny tiny hands.Junkyard, do you think his behaviour(s) might...modify in office?
I don't know.
Rhetoric is one thing when grabbing the job but when in the job....?
I dont need to spend any time with folk who would vote for him whilst polishing their gunyou need to spend more time in the US and especially away from the coasts to understand the place. Even Democrats think the European welfare state is a joke
Yes the people have spoken.
Hillary Clinton: 59,414,007 votes.
Donald Trump: 59,229,394 votes.+184,613 votes for Clinton.
Trump Wins.
😕
Maxtorque +1
Have borrowed that thought to answer a "friend's" FB post.
Whilst disappointed in the result, the silver lining is that I had not realised what a fantastic spectator sport hand wringing is.
. Even Democrats think the European welfare state is a joke
Not the ones I have met, I have met Americans who believe the NHS is socialist vehicle, that was an enlightening conversation, which finished with this statement " it's their own fault if they get cancer" how do argue against that.
Many Americans I have met are curious and a bit jealous of our welfare state.
Yes the people have spoken.
+184,613 votes for Clinton.
The elections are rigged. Trump told us that himself. 😀
Many Americans I have met are curious and a bit jealous of our welfare state.
Many of them don't get what it is, and are incredulous when you explain it.
Success is a big thing in America. So rich people automatically have cachet, rather than mistrust and cynicism like they have here.
Only becasue they don't have the class system that serves us so well over here. 😕
Many Americans I have met are curious and a bit jealous of our welfare state.
The Americans I know that are travelled and have first-hand experience of the NHS have nothing but praise for it. They seem a little more cautious over other welfare though.
We can complain as much as we like but it will not do any good. Much better to think why do the leading proponents of posttruthpolitics - yS, Brexshiteers, Trump - attract a following and why did 2/3 succeed in their ambitions. Why are lies so effective and why do they resonate with so many? Equally importantly, how should the purveyors of truth respond in a world of gesture politics, fluffy fairy tales and isolationalism?
Should be an intresting new year, for usa plc, and treseme when and if they meet
theotherjonv
Maxtorque +1Have borrowed that thought to answer a "friend's" FB post.
To put it another way: Even if he somehow manages to "save" America, will the cost have been worth it? Where that cost is the loss of Decency, Free speech and rights for all, no matter their background, skin colour, or Religious ideals?
Nigel Farage has said that it'll be ok, because Trump has "Respect" for Britain. Well i'm sorry, but his "Respect" is not only worthless and unwanted, it's actually potentially poisonous. History shows us the danger of allowing the radical, and racist into important positions, where step by small step they become too powerful to remove. It's not by chance that Angela Merkel's message to Trump contained those barely concealed hard learn't lessons from Germany......
A lame duck President who won't be able to deliver on his "promises", much like the brexshitters.
Two things: Once the public realise that promises are not being delivered, who or what will they vote for next? This applies to the UK as well.
As alluded to further up the thread, The racism, sexism, and all the other crap that the right use to garner votes of the easily lead, is now out there with the gloves off. This also applies to the UK.
Wasn't Leicester winning the Premier League nice? Those were the days.
is it by thinking of funny names for those people who voted otherwise than us?Equally importantly, how should the purveyors of truth respond in a world of gesture politics
Its a bit arrogant to call them all liars - all politicians are liars but it is reasonable to say that emotive irrational arguments seem to be winning the day instead of calm and reasoned discourse
you might wish to ask yourself which side you give the most to
his "Respect" is not only worthless and unwanted
Speak for yourself mate, Obama wanted to put us to the back of the queue.
To be fair Trump, Clinton and Obama have all given decent conciliatory speeches, Much more mature than we saw post referendum from Captain Flounce Cameron, Farage's brash crowing, Labour's headless chicken fance or the divisive nastiness from the Tory conference.
Bah double post
23/06/16
And
08/11/16
Two dates of infamy that future generations* will rightly despise us for.
Well done us. Hell yeah.
*I sincerely hope I am not being over-optimistic here.
mitsumonkey
his "Respect" is not only worthless and unwantedSpeak for yourself mate, Obama wanted to put us to the back of the queue.
If you're happy to be respected by a racist c**t then fair doo's that's your choice, but don't be surprised to be "the first against the wall when the revolution comes" #HHGTTG
Jambalaya; I have to say, you seem almost gleeful that Hilary Clinton was beaten by a racist, misogynist egomaniac. You've been very highly critical of Hilary (I don't have an issue with that, for she is truly vile), yet I can't recall you ever directing such a critical eye towards Trump. That's, racist, misogynistic, egomaniacal Donald Trump. I find this somewhat perplexing, given your outspoken behaviour regarding the alleged 'anti-Semitism' in the Labour party. Surely someone who is so dedicated towards challenging xenophobia would be very critical of someone like racist, misogynistic, egomaniacal Donald Trump. But you're not.
So, could you explain this for me? Thanks.
"is it by thinking of funny names for those people who voted otherwise than us?
Its a bit arrogant to call them all liars - all politicians are liars but it is reasonable to say that emotive irrational arguments seem to be winning the day instead of calm and reasoned discourse
you might wish to ask yourself which side you give the most to"
Well said. I was trying to think of a way to make that point and that sums it up.
"she is truly vile"
She's not. She'd have been a perfectly adequate President, far better than Trump.
It will be worth seeing how Trump reacts to the angry voters when he does not deliver what he promised in his election campaign. He will be stifled by the corridors of power and machinations of big government departments.
"She's not. "
She is. Either you have a very short memory, or you're woefully ignorant.
"Obama wanted to put us to the back of the queue."
That's a pretty good point.
23/06/16And
08/11/16
Two dates of infamy that future generations* will rightly despise us for.
I daresay, much like 3/5/79, it'll be forgotten as worse events in the future will take over that particular baton.
"Either you have a very short memory, or you're woefully ignorant."
Perhaps you could remind or inform me then: State 3 vile things Clinton has done in office.
Ok:
Libya
Iraq/Afghanistan
Syria
Yemen
Honduras
Haiti
Oh, that's twice as many things as you asked for. Sorry.
Did Clinton condone her black panther supporters or is she racist too?
You forgot brexit, the charlie hebdo attacks, and crimea, plus I stubbed my toe a couple of years back, it really hurt, the bitch!
Clinton's biggest fault by far was daring to be a woman.
You forgot brexit, the charlie hebdo attacks, and crimea, plus I stubbed my toe a couple of years back, it really hurt, the bitch!
And some bastid scratched someone's car and didn't own up.
she really reached out to men in her speech.....the words of inclusiveness
Yeah she's a saint.
The Americans have made their choice and given the options who can say they are wrong.
On the one hand a duplicitous, war mongering, avaricious harridan who thinks the death of an enemy is funny or a letcherous, morally bankrupt, bigot who will say whatever is required to win without compunction.
The options were bad.
