Yesterday both he and Birx stated the US had the lowest mortality (rate?) in the world. No idea how they’ve decided that.
I believe the technique they used is to quote the absolute numbers when talking about how America has "tested more than anywhere else", but switch to per-capita numbers when talking about how low their mortality rate is.
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I believe the technique they used is to quote the absolute numbers when talking about how America has “tested more than anywhere else”, but switch to per-capita numbers when talking about how low their mortality rate is.
It's not even clever, but the knuckle dragging ****wits who support him just haven't got the mental capacity to realise.
Populism. It works for people who don't like to think too much.
Weren’t the protests in Brazil because their trump wannabe ahole hasn’t imposed a lockdown?
To be honest, I have some sympathy with the American public rebelling against the restrictions.
The problem (as I see it) is that America lacks things we in the UK take for granted like basic employment rights, socialised healthcare, and a working benefits system.
When most of us get restricted and/or furloughed then we have those things to fall back on.
In America, you just get the sack, a one-off $1200 cheque from the government and a kick up the arse.
Watch those weekly US unemployment figures compared to other great rises:
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1245787069076602880
With annotations:
https://www.tiktok.com/@dibaccory/video/6811555584807161094
The land of Dreams, or should that be Nightmares.
I believe the technique they used is to quote the absolute numbers when talking about how America has “tested more than anywhere else”, but switch to per-capita numbers when talking about how low their mortality rate is.
But it's nonsense anyway, accepting they switch to per-capita as it suits them (which I hate - glad our lot don't do that). Just surprised the WH press let something like that go unchallenged.
The land of Dreams, or should that be Nightmares
18th Century mantra:
"Go West my boy, go west".
21st Century addendum:
"Then when you get to the sea, build yourself a boat and keep on going".
And just to note, Belgium looks terrible there because of the way we report. Belgium is including all deaths from care homes (about 52% of the total) if it is likely it was due to CV19 rather than confirmed. All hospital deaths are confirmed but only 4% of care home deaths are confirmed at the moment. No-one else is using that method.
Numbers are all in the detail 🙁
The problem (as I see it) is that America lacks things we in the UK take for granted like basic employment rights, socialised healthcare, and a working benefits system.
If only they didn't live in such a poor country.
I suspect that a greater reason they are rebelling against restrictions is because many Americans are brought up mistrusting, and even hating, their own government. It's a cultural thing.
Here in the UK we are a long way from that but we have certainly moved in that direction in recent times.
Numbers are all in the detail
But not enough people (particularly if they actively don't want to) question the numbers, their relation to each other and how they are being used.
Much easier to bang on about Mexican rapists and building walls or Chinese viruses, because that's what your average knuckledragger responds to.
In America, you just get the sack, a one-off $1200 cheque from the government and a kick up the arse.
So why aren't they protesting that - instead of "I need to see a dentist" and I need a ****ing haircut??
Or is that just what we're seeing and the "real" protesters are out there too?
Because they can't admit there is anything wrong with their system (to themselves or anyone else).
Government help, benefits, employment rights, heathcare? That's socialism son! Are you some kinda commie?
Instead it is much better to protest about their liberty (or "libety") to work and die without no guv'mint interference.
GrahamS : your post has broken the page, it keeps falling down my screen
Re those numbers above, it's also worth pointing out that because different countries have different policies on testing, the numbers of deaths v number of infections can be skewed. For instance both Germany and US have been doing a lot more testing than the UK for example (absolute numbers). This means that they will identify and confirm a lot more cases (particularly asymptomatic or low symptom) that will pass under the radar in other countries. Which will in turn make their deaths to infection ratio look better. As has been said, the numbers are only a small part of the overall story, context is everything.
I should add that by picking Germany, I'm sot saying that a combination of their better response and superior healthcare isn't a genuine factor, just that the numbers need to be understood in context. Same as us (scandalously) not including care home deaths in our figures. Though that's far from the only thing that is scandalous regarding our response as is becoming clearer by the day..
Same as us (scandalously) not including care home deaths
I view it as (sad) reality rather than a scandal. There must be over 20,000 care homes in the UK, and a doctor has to visit, complete the MCCD which then is reported back. ONS is passing the info, just not in real-time.
Back to Trump...
Same as us (scandalously) not including care home deaths in our figures.
Nobody is.
some countries are IIRC
Only going off what is in the main thread, but it’s the WHO who are saying to only use hospital deaths in the figures, so comparisons can be made more effectively.
Not really scandalous.
Same as us (scandalously) not including care home deaths in our figures.
>Nobody is
Belgium are, and including people who they believe died due to CV19 even if not tested. That's why their numbers are so high. Almost 50% of the death rate aren't tested positive, there is just a strong indication that it is correct
I seems that cadet bone spur is now threatening to shoot down Iranian gunboats.
Looks like he's also pressurising the head of the CDC to wind-back his recent comments that he was concerned about a second wave coinciding with the flu season. He did the same thing with Fauci and his suggestion there was push-back to lockdown.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252964659960971265?s=19
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I seems that cadet bone spur is now threatening to shoot down Iranian gunboats.Latest twitter rant
The comments are scary and amusing in equal measure.
Maybe they are flying boats 😂
'I have instructed the United States Navy to shoot down and destroy any and all Iranian gunboats if they harass our ships at sea.'
Surely in breach of International Law? They 'hassle' you and you 'destroy' them?
He was going to give them some ventilators the other day.
Jamze yes it would be but the US does not care - it does not recognise any international courts
As much as were all terified that Trump will start WW3, the international body count has been pretty low under this administration. Trump employs big childish gestures, like the mother of all bombs in Afghanistan, the fairly comprehensive strike on the Syrian airbase deemed responsible for chemical weapons strikes and the execution of Sulemani.
He doesn't go in for endless drone strikes and internecine accumalative tit for tats in line with the excepted international protocols.
Iran plays chess whilst Trump plays chequers.
Stupidly got watching his latest covid presser last night before bed - He makes my skin itch at the best if times but he really wound me up and kept me awake.
Standing there lording it over the Dr he claims was misquoted in rightly saying Covid+Flu next winter would be a disaster.
The other female very intelligently stated the situation and then couldn't wait to get off the stand as Trump twisted what she was saying into downplaying what a second wave may look like. No sense of sadness, empathy for people who have died or may die. Just grandiose BS about how "He" scaled up ventilator manufacturing and the press should be thanking "him".
Never said this about another human being but I wouldn't be upset for one of his disease "embers" to set up camp in his household.
Just seen a video of a guy in the US - apparently they can defer their mortgage payments for 3 months whilst out of work, then after the 3 months they have to back pay the months they've missed!
I mean, seriously??
Made me laugh...
In America, you just get the sack, a one-off $1200 cheque from the government and a kick up the arse.
So why aren’t they protesting that – instead of “I need to see a dentist” and I need a **** haircut??
The poor are protesting but its not a poor people's protest
Who's behind the Reopen Protests?
Its maybe not an accident that the Whitehouse is legislating one way and Trump is encouraging people to protest another. People from his own team are bankrolling the protestors and paying their bail.
Meanwhile Trumps golf course in Ireland seeks government assistance to pay its staff.
Trump forcing the CDC Head to take-back his comments was as ridiculous to watch as when Fauci had to do the same after Easter (when Fauci said 'there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then' and then said it was 'the wrong choice of words'.)
It was as bizarre as usual, I think they concluded the Washington Post article was accurate, but there was one word in the headline they didn't like? Then Trump dismissed any concerns of a second wave this winter, only for Birx and Fauci to say it was almost a given and we needed to prepare for it.
And what's this bolx he keeps saying that the US has done more tests than the rest of the World combined? Just looked at worldometer...
USA tests 4,326,648, Rest of the World 19,383,441
Meanwhile Trumps golf course in Ireland seeks government assistance to pay its staff.
His FL resorts have furloughed their staff too he said, although he was very quick (bit too quick?) to state he hadn't taken any payment protection money.
Looks like his dithering will cost him votes:
Its maybe not an accident that the Whitehouse is legislating one way and Trump is encouraging people to protest another. People from his own team are bankrolling the protestors and paying their bail.
Can that be proven?
Again, though, I suppose it comes down to the populism thing.
He may be an asshole but so are we and at least he's our asshole.
Seeing the truth about what is going on in the US now on Sky Atlantic. What an eye opener.
And how disgusting it makes Trumps speeches look.
Sorry, how even more disgusting.
My apologies, if this doesn’t work, I’m not conversant with quoting etc, as @dannyh queries (quite rightly) about this
Its maybe not an accident that the Whitehouse is legislating one way and Trump is encouraging people to protest another. People from his own team are bankrolling the protestors and paying their bail.
There’s some interesting points about the election strategy here and it seems to be done in plain sight...
And what’s this bolx he keeps saying that the US has done more tests than the rest of the World combined? Just looked at worldometer…
But, but, but, whatever Angry Tinkerbell says is true! Until he changes his mind, and that’ll be true, until he contradicts both those statements, and that’ll be true too!
He’s Dear Leader, the truth is whatever he decides it is, and he’ll fire or slag off in the meeja anyone who dares to contradict him!
He excelled himself tonight. Pulled up some Homeland Security science dept person, who went through some research on how long Covid can survive in sunlight/warm temps and how effective disinfectant is (you don't say) and Trump started going on about treating people with UV lamps and disinfectant injections.
He is ****ing insane. You’ve got to respect the fact that when you think he can’t shock you anymore than the last time he ups his game.
https://twitter.com/welshgasdoc/status/1253462161671815169?s=21
Touting uv lamps & sun beds whilst intravenously injecting disinfectant could be a cure?, I expect a reasonable amount of his blind faith acolytes will pick up on that and embalm themselves with TCP (for my bumhole) whilst frying to an orange crisp under uv lamps that will directly cause dna damage and weaken the immune system leading to an inflammatory cytokine response, then death (probably)
Sounds like a fair result, go for it trumpers
Well he has to say something, his last miracle cure turned out not to work
And in case anyone here was still insufficiently cynical, Fox News's spin is that actually this is something Trump got right before anyone else even thought of it- when he said earlier that the summer would see corona decline, he meant because there's sunshine in summer and sunshine kills the virus.
The look of despair on Dr Birx face says it all, but it needs a “hello darkness my old friend” soundtrack.
https://twitter.com/nc5philwilliams/status/1253487743046385670?s=21
That's stunning even by the standards.
Is he suffering from one of the forms of dementia? I really do think that its not just about how mad the guy is, there is some sort of imbalance there surely?
