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I've only met one American recently and funnily enough it was in a café /bar in Spain.

I'm familiar with the area and this bar is pretty much my local when I'm there. Great family run bar.. Great service... Even if the service is a bit Spanish style if know what I mean!

Anyway this guy is new to the area and we got chatting a bit about local stuff, just general chit chat really and he seemed nice if a little bit of a jock in attitude... You can see where this is going!

He ordered an English breakfast and he was full of compliments about it.. Then he just kind of changed attitude and got a bit rude with the staff... I honestly can't remember what set him off.. But it was something really insignificant such as they didn't bring him a full condiment selection.. It's was just one of the those salt/pepper & vinigar caddies..

He kind of turned to me and said 'I can be a real asshole if I want to be' in a kinda joking way...loud enough for the owner to hear.

I know the owner pretty well so we're both just kinda tolerating this and exchanging smirks and sideways glances.

No harm done at the end of the day but it was just completely unwarranted.

Only a sample size of one... But it was just such a stereotype /cliche it was almost funny.

The bar owners are really accommodating to any request unless you act badly.. Then you get the worst service in the world and probably overcharged to boot.


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 2:32 pm
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Posted by: mattyfez

Back on the subject of trade wars and blackmail... the latest n the UK-USA trade relationship:

 

Starmer told UK must repeal hate speech laws to protect LGBT+ people or lose Trump trade deal

‘Good chance’ of agreement, says JD Vance – but sources say his concerns over Britain’s hate speech laws ‘are still a red line’

I'd like to hope that we put our principles above the (accepted) need to trade with the US.

 

Indeed.. If anything, this kind of attitude from the USA should make it an easy negociation... If changing our laws is a demand than that should be the end of the discussion.


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 2:34 pm
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Indeed.. If anything, this kind of attitude from the USA should make it an easy negociation... If changing our laws is a demand than that should be the end of the discussion.

And that goes for food safety and animal welfare laws as well.

 


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 3:20 pm
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Indeed.. If anything, this kind of attitude from the USA should make it an easy negociation... If changing our laws is a demand than that should be the end of the discussion.

And that goes for food safety and animal welfare laws as well.

 

Yep... I'd rather not have meat that's such poor quality they have to bleach it to make it safe ... Lol!


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 3:24 pm
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I'd like to hope that we put our principles above the (accepted) need to trade with the US.

 

I don't know if you had noticed, but Starmer's principles are not exactly robust, personally I am not sure he actually has any, but we have seen with his attacks on immigration and disability benefits that he is actually more likely to screw the UK to appease the US than actually stand up for what most people would consider principles of fairness and equality..

 


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 3:56 pm
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McSweeney will be in his ear too - making sure he doesn't upset any Brexity types in certain seats.

 

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Posted : 16/04/2025 4:14 pm
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Sorry, but I'm pretty much obsessively objective, and these were my experiences.

 

Whereas my recent experiences were pretty much the polar opposite of yours. Perhaps that tells us to not reach conclusions from a small pool of anecdotes.


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 4:23 pm
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I've worked with hundreds of americans over the years, they have broadly fallen into two camps, those that would feature on "shitamericanssay" on reddit and those who are reasonable and well put together.

The first group usually arrive at work, decide they are going to put the world to rights (or turn it into a US territory), end up doing 60+ hour weeks, haranguing others to do the same, then proceed to produce less work than the rest of us, which is in most cases, of far lower quality. Usually needs reworking before it can be used, and that quite often only takes a fraction of the time it originally took.

They also seem to take their US rules with them, especially if they are in senior roles. Sacking someone in a meeting because you set unachievable goals doesn't fly in civilised countries. Also, expecting someone to spend two or three hours a day preparing for tomorrows daily update means that they don't also have 40 hours *to actually do the work*. That particular director was walked off site and eventually sacked after he did it again, and again at other parts of the company. The poor bugger he sacked was back the following Monday with a nice fat compensation cheque and an NDA.

Had similar experiences with multiple people/employers from multiple states over the years.

The other group seem to be here to get away from the first group and do their best to integrate. They do like their trucks though.


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 4:51 pm
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I'd like to hope that we put our principles above the (accepted) need to trade with the US.

 

I don't know if you had noticed, but Starmer's principles are not exactly robust,

 

Robust or not...think of his position.. I dare say it's not even in question, but..

If Starmer wewre to row back on fundamentals like equal rights and food standards, that's political suicide...

The Human rights aspect should be obvious. but even if we as the UK were to accept low quality forr from the USA, that would also make us a toxic choice for food exports into the the (EU for example), so it would be a doubly bad move.

Starmer needs to stand up to trump, and be public about it,and fast, lest he wants to make the UK a vassal state to the USA....

 

Rejoining the customs union with the EU, and the single market is the obvious next move here. That would still be the 'light brexit' people voted for - it would be a sound strategy on many levels.

 


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 4:57 pm
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Of course they want to axe teh department that counters disinformation

 

https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/04/16/1115256/us-office-that-counters-foreign-disinformation-is-being-eliminated-say-officials/


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 5:12 pm
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Whereas my recent experiences were pretty much the polar opposite of yours. Perhaps that tells us to not reach conclusions from a small pool of anecdotes.

It probably does. I hope you're not suggesting that I have reached any such conclusions or suggested them to others. Because I haven't and I didn't.

 


 
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He is literally giving Starmer every excuse to turn back to Europe as a matter of necessity. Pity that the bloke doesn't seem to want to take them. He's got to realise that he's on borrowed time, that 2028 will roll around in a matter of moments, and he needs to have some kind of genuine economic progress to offer to the electorate. 

We know what happens when the voters feel ignored, or that nothing makes any difference to their lives and public services. We will have a Reform-led coalition government.


 
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So what's the conclusion, are we supposed to like or dislike Americans, what does stw say? Or is the jury still out whilst they consider the personal experiences of various individuals?


 
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So what's the conclusion, are we supposed to like or dislike Americans, what does stw say? Or is the jury still out whilst they consider the personal experiences of various individuals?

 

Well the leader of America is *checks notes* a convicted sex offender and a financial fraudster on multiple counts. So what does that tell you about the reliability of the USA?


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 5:26 pm
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So what's the conclusion, are we supposed to like or dislike Americans, what does stw say? Or is the jury still out whilst they consider the personal experiences of various individuals?

Oooh, i dunno. You could just take each one at face value?


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 5:30 pm
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Another point is that IMO, resisting Trump as he takes the US towards fascism, as well as reform, AFD, Oban, RN etc should be a much bigger priority than trade with the US. Failing to stand up to far right populism, the oligarchy and the rise of fascism will be far far worse in just a few years time than the economic hit we will take now.

The damage being done to the world economies currently is due to the ideology of power lust and greed. If we want to preserve anything like our way of life, even in our currently flawed system, then the ideology and its leaders has to be beaten, the economic system will not survive anyway if we don't, and what they will replace it with will make 99% of peoples lives absolutely ****ing miserable from cradle to grave.


 
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Oooh, i dunno. You could just take each one at face value?

 

That'll never catch on! On the subject of countries' democratically elected leaders, if we choose to judge Americans then we may wish to consider Italians, Hungarians, Finns, Slovakians, Croatians and Czechs.


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 5:39 pm
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I still haven't forgiven the Germans for Adolf Hitler.

What a shower of ****s


 
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I still haven't forgiven the Germans for Adolf Hitler.

What a shower of ****s

 

Last time I checked, Adolf hitler wasn't running Germany...

 


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 6:13 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MckCZ9iLAyI?app=desktop&cbrd=1

 

 


 
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Last time I checked, Adolf hitler wasn't running Germany...

Well this is confusing, were the Germans instantly forgiven after Hitler popped his clogs?

Is it the same rule for Americans..... right now they are a bunch of loud offensive gits who apparently dive into lifts after jumping a queue, but if they vote correctly at the next presidential election all will be forgiven?

 


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 6:50 pm
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Last time I checked, Adolf hitler wasn't running Germany...

Well this is confusing, were the Germans instantly forgiven after Hitler popped his clogs?

Is it the same rule for Americans..... right now they are a bunch of loud offensive gits who apparently dive into lifts after jumping a queue, but if they vote correctly at the next presidential election all will be forgiven?

 

Hey.. You can learn! That's a solid first step!

Keep it up, champ!


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 6:53 pm
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as well as reform, AFD, Oban, RN etc should be a much bigger priority than trade with the US.

There's a few islanders will be unhappy if we break ties with Oban. 


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 6:54 pm
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If Starmer wewre to row back on fundamentals like equal rights and food standards, that's political suicide...

The Human rights aspect should be obvious. but even if we as the UK were to accept low quality forr from the USA, that would also make us a toxic choice for food exports into the the (EU for example), so it would be a doubly bad move.

Starmer needs to stand up to trump, and be public about it,and fast, lest he wants to make the UK a vassal state to the USA....

I am that disappointed Starmer supporter, and while I'm pissed off with some of the shit decisions they've made so far, to row back on human rights and food standards would be political suicide. Some on here have said that kissing Trumps arse just has to be done due to Americas power, but if Starmer capitulates there will be huge protests and I'll be there protesting.

 


 
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Starmer told UK must repeal hate speech laws to protect LGBT+ people or lose Trump trade deal (from The Independent)

It's important to understand what "the deal" entails. Even prominent US legal firms get caught out by what they thought they agreed to and the reality

But the emerging gap between what the firms initially thought they agreed to and what Mr. Trump says they can be used for shows how the deals did little to insulate them from his whims. Further demands on the firms from Mr. Trump could raise the potential for conflicts with paying clients and could further fuel internal dissension.

“They thought they made one-shot deals which they would fulfill,” said Harold Hongju Koh, a professor of international law at Yale Law School who was an author of a paper that called executive orders targeting the firms unconstitutional retaliatory measures. “But the administration seems to think that they have subjected these firms to indentured servitude.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/16/us/politics/law-firms-deals-trump.html


 
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If Starmer wewre to row back on fundamentals like equal rights and food standards, that's political suicide...

The Human rights aspect should be obvious. but even if we as the UK were to accept low quality forr from the USA, that would also make us a toxic choice for food exports into the the (EU for example), so it would be a doubly bad move.

Starmer needs to stand up to trump, and be public about it,and fast, lest he wants to make the UK a vassal state to the USA....

I am that disappointed Starmer supporter, and while I'm pissed off with some of the shit decisions they've made so far, to row back on human rights and food standards would be political suicide. Some on here have said that kissing Trumps arse just has to be done due to Americas power, but if Starmer capitulates there will be huge protests and I'll be there protesting.

 

 

I've acutally just written my (labour MP), on this matter, this is the first time I've ever felt motivated enough to write to an MP.

 

Chances of getting a reply? I'm not holding my breath - I've had an auto-reply saying how busy they are, lol.

 

 


 
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Everyone I meet hates trump. Telling him to do one would do Starmer a lot of good.

 


 
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Everyone I meet hates trump. Telling him to do one would do Starmer a lot of good.

 

 

I think it would be a huge vote winner in the UK... it would alienate some hardcore labour voters who are inherently racist and nationalistic, but everthing comes at a cost.

 


 
Posted : 16/04/2025 8:24 pm
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Finally some good news:

https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/

Sometimes it seems like half our time is spent on CVEs.

This should save us loads of time (that we can spend shitposting on Reddit instead)!


 
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Finally some good news:

https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve/

Sometimes it seems like half our time is spent on CVEs.

This should save us loads of time (that we can spend shitposting on Reddit instead)!

 

Ah crap..this really means I'm gonna have to pull all my backups off the cloud and buy a RAID NAS?

 


 
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Or, from a non-Murdoch outlet: [Edit: cross-posted with ernie's above.]

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker


 
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Well this is confusing, were the Germans instantly forgiven after Hitler popped his clogs?

 

Is it the same rule for Americans..... right now they are a bunch of loud offensive gits who apparently dive into lifts after jumping a queue, but if they vote correctly at the next presidential election all will be forgiven?

A strawman, a non sequitur and a Godwin.

 

Hattrick!

 

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Posted : 16/04/2025 10:38 pm
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Would I respect the average American more if they hadn't voted a convicted felon and (highly likely) sex offender in as president - twice?

 

Well, yes, of course I would. And I'd expect any sane person to do the same.

 

Did I try to avoid acknowledging my Britishness amongst foreigners when we elected known liar and all-round shit Boris Johnson as PM? Yes, I bloody well did. I was ashamed of this country and I still am due to our refusal to stop being performatively ****ish towards the EU.

 

 


 
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Would I respect the average American more if they hadn't voted a convicted felon and (highly likely) sex offender in as president - twice?

 

 

What???? According to your posts the basis of your lack of respect was to do with, among other things, Americans being allegedly "loud  and a bit pushy"  and rudely barging and pushing on public transport, and being obnoxious to other diners in a restaurant.

Are you seriously suggesting that you would not have had a problem with any those issues if Kamala Harris had won the last US presidential election?

And how the hell do you know how those individuals you described voted? Every single one might have been a Kamala Harris voter.

Don't try to dress up your anti-american bigotry as some sort of political issue, from the very clear examples which you yourself give it has absolutely nothing to do with politics.


 
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Point of order.. Donald Trump forcibly inserted his fingers into an unwilling participant. In the jurisdiction he was on trial that doesn't technically count as rape, as he didn't put his penis into her, just his fingers. That's rape, in my book.

 

I dunno what other conclusion anyone can come to unless they are the sort of people who agree with this kind of thing.


 
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Ignore everything I've posted.

 

It's easier that way.

 

Adieu.


 
Posted : 17/04/2025 12:01 am
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Ignore everything I've posted.

 

It's easier that way.

 

Adieu.

 

try to ignore the trolls... easier said than done sometimes!

 


 
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Ignore everything I've posted.

But I find your personal opinion of Americans and how you claim they behave on public transport and restaurants revealing. It obviously has nothing to do with the subject matter of this thread - Donald Trump. But it does betray your own personal prejudices. Prejudices which clearly go beyond the last US presidential election.

It's just another example of middle-class liberal hypocrisy. They castigate others for their alleged bigotry whilst they indulge in their own "politically correct" bigotry.

I never condemn an entire people, I judge people, if at all,  as individuals. If calling out middle-class hypocrisy makes you feel uncomfortable then I suggest that you resort to STW's nuclear option and call me a troll 💡


 
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Ignore everything I've posted.

But I find your personal opinion of Americans and how you claim they behave on public transport and restaurants revealing. It obviously has nothing to do with the subject matter of this thread - Donald Trump. But it does betray your own personal prejudices. Prejudices which clearly go beyond the last US presidential election.

It's just another example of middle-class liberal hypocrisy. They castigate others for their alleged bigotry whilst they indulge in their own "politically correct" bigotry.

I never condemn an entire people, I judge people, if at all,  as individuals. If calling out middle-class hypocrisy makes you feel uncomfortable then I suggest that you resort to STW's nuclear option and call me a troll 💡

 

Pot-kettle-black  😕 

Why dont you get back in your hole, you nasty little brexiteer?

 


 
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In other news, the USA will pay for its hatred one way or another:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/canada-us-border-travel-march-b2734598.html

 

Misanthropy has consequences, who would have thunk it?


 
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STW's nuclear option and call me a troll

Lighten up Ernie, please. 

Don't worry about it Oakwood, I had different experiences of Americans whilst travelling recently, especially the people who were on Eurostar, staunch democrats and ashamed to be American at present, which is perhaps why they kept their voices down, but I think we've all crossed the MAGA cap brigade at some point and they do tend to conform to a sterotype. I smiled at your posts even while disagreeing.

Ernie's doing his Ernie humourless false outrage thing. And I hope the mods have the good sense to let Mattyfez's post stand rather than ban him. 🙂

 

 


 
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A bit more on polling in the US by Professor Paul Whiteley, Department of Government, University of Essex

Yes, you can find data that supports President Trump's term so far, but there are underlying trends against for the mid-terms

Put simply, the nonaligned voters in America have shifted against Trump over tariffs. This is significant because they are the largest political group in the US, at 37% of electors compared with 34% Democrats and 29% Republicans. Also significant is that, according to Morning Consult, the average voter is more likely to hold positive than negative views about Democrats in Congress, for the first time since the 2024 election, at 47% to 46%.

If this shift continues, and independent voters support Democrat candidates in the 2026 mid-term elections, it means that the Democrats are likely to take control of Congress. This will give them greater opportunity to block presidential initiatives to introduce new bills, which must be passed by both the House of Representatives and the Senate to became law

https://theconversation.com/have-trumps-tariffs-affected-his-popularity-heres-what-approval-data-shows-254725


 
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Everyone I meet hates trump.

I've met *many* people who thought he would be good for the US, unsurprisingly that thinking *usually* comes with a shit load of other, unfortunate and unpleasant moral rather than political views. So most of them i now have no idea what they are thinking right now.

Except for one chap who still keeps emailing me every few weeks like we're still good buddies. He supported Kyle Rittenhouses actions, thought J6 was a rational activity and occasionally posted "Biden will have to pry all ma guns from my cold dead hands" type stuff. And yes, i did express my thoughts on the whole thing, he didn't seem to understand why i thought that people other than straight, white, able bodied middle class CIS men deserved any rights at all. Kind off ironic as he lives off his wifes (significant) wealth and his veterans disability pension. He'll probably be royally shafted by now though, now trump/musk/doge have gutted much of the VA.

The only other person i know and am still friends with, thinks trump is a complete ***** ** ** ** ** * * ********* * ***. But was of the opinion that Trumps 2nd term will be good for his home country (India). And as they seem to have relatively low tariffs, maybe he was slightly right?

 


 
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Lighten up Ernie, please. 

I am fine thanks! I am not suggesting that I am "outraged" by people's bigotry, I am simply calling it out.  God only knows how much punters on stw like to call out the alleged bigotry of UK voters, and now on this thread US voters. 

And yes Mattyfez's post is an interesting one, it seems to follow a very regular pattern of posts becoming more insulting as the evening wears on, something which I suspect is probably connected to alcohol. Throwing in the troll accusation is an easy option which requires no coherent argument and in the case of me in particular reminding everyone that I didn't support Remain, even though it has absolutely no relevance to what is being discussed, is always a good way of getting a few likes.

Anyway I look forward to more interesting discussions about Donald Trump with perhaps less emphasis on personal experiences of rude Americans.


 
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pot, kettle, black.


 
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And now you're acusing someone of being drunk, Ernie ! FWIW I haven't had a drink in years and nothing I have ever posted on STW has been related to drink. That's not drunken rambling from mattyfez, it's a succinct one liner.

Brexit and Trump tarifs = same mindset. 

One of the stated aims of Brexit was to give british firms a competetive advantage (through deregulation of labour market, not being constrained by environmental standards, ability to set tarifs and make trade deals etc;? It's all in the Brexit threads. The idea was an unfair competetive advantage which predictably (because many of us predicted it) turned into the millstone now hanging around UK exporters' necks.

Trump is on exactly the same sort of simplistic nationalist protectionist trip and will run into the same difficulties as the UK. Countries won't sign treaties that are unfavourable to them and will resist. Barnier tied the UK in knots and if it weren't for a war in the Ukraine the EU would be doing the same to Trump. Trump and China is the same "they need us more than we need them" attitude as Johnson. Fact is China really doesn't need the US and holds huge amounts of US bonds which if I were Xi I'd be quietly selling at just the right rate to keep US interest rates at a level that is good for China and bad for the US economy. 

The idea that there are no winners in a trade war is IMO false. Exports to the US are so insignificant to China in GDP terms, and China's money and goods so essential to the US that China can bring the US to stagnation or worse with impunity if it so wishes. Whilst all the time playing the victim card.

Trump is about to learn that he can't file America for bankruptcy and hand over half of it to renegotiate the debt as he did with his companies. 

Edit: put bluntly Xi has more control over US interest rates than the Fed. 


 
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I never condemn an entire people

Not even Scousers?! 😳


 
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It's just another example of middle-class liberal hypocrisy. They castigate others for their alleged bigotry whilst they indulge in their own "politically correct" bigotry.

It's not often I get to feel like Jerry in 'The Good Life' as he's being lectured by Tom.

 

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Both Brexit and the rise of MAGA in the states are born from the same mindset - rich people and foreign enemies exploiting and misdirecting the festering resentment of large parts of the population, while at the same time relying on the complacency of others not to spot a 'lesser of two evils' situation. 

There will always be those who can't accept and work with imperfection, and would rather amputate the arm because they don't like the colour of the nail polish. Here, we had educated and intelligent people who were rightly critical of the EU, but unable to grasp that life outside the EU would be poorer and smaller for the people they claimed to be fighting for.

Being a contrarian is a luxury paid for with other people's jobs and lives.

 

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nothing I have ever posted on STW has been related to drink

My post at the top of this page was. I'd had a brilliant evening ride yesterday on local trails in amazing conditions followed by a few nice pints - and I'm off work until next Tuesday.

 

So, I couldn't be bothered with the outrage, faux or otherwise. 🙂

 

Seeing as I'm off on hols and I'm trying to avoid the news in general, I have little to say about Trump right now. So this thread isn't relevant to me at the moment. Let's hope it stays that way and the Orange Slob doesn't start WW3 in the interim. 🤞

 


 
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Both Brexit and the rise of MAGA in the states are born from the same mindset

Sorry mate my strong opposition to the EU** has bugger all to do with my views on the Donald Trump, nor my opposition to anti-american bigotry, but well done for keeping the theme going! 😅

Edit : ** Which is both increasing, as I see the EU sweet FA about Europe's very own Donald Trump, Viktor Orban, and decreasing as I see that EU membership puts so little restriction on the behaviour of countries.

Although I suspect plenty of restrictions on economic policies. As a commited right-winger Viktor Orban is unlikely to fall foul over EU economic policies, other than maybe undermining sanctions against Russia.


 
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Does this new forum support killfiles? Askin' for a friend...


 
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Posted by: ernielynch

I never condemn an entire people,

Posted by: ernielynch

I still haven't forgiven the Germans for Adolf Hitler.

What a shower of ****s

Hmm...

 

Interesting that when quoting I can see what the swear filter removed...

 

I'm sure you will come up with some verbose response claiming you were being facetious or ironic or something but you are either a hypocrite or a troll.


 
Posted : 17/04/2025 12:12 pm
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There's plenty of reports about the dilemma Orban presents the EU and of - obviously - private conversations about him.

Can I remind folk that this thread is about Trump, not about ourselves.


 
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Hmm...

Yes I was obviously serious about not having yet forgiven the Germans for Adolf Hitler, so well done for pointing out my hypocrisy!

Anyway as MCTD points out it's maybe time to move on and get back to discussing Donald Trump. Hypocrisy on STW won't be going anywhere soon, so there will plenty of opportunities in the future to return to the subject 😉

 


 
Posted : 17/04/2025 12:38 pm
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So, back to the orange hued shitgibbon.

How tall is he? How heavy?

6'3" and 224lbs, or 5'11" and closer to 280lbs?


 
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Posted by: mert

So, back to the orange hued shitgibbon.

How tall is he? How heavy?

6'3" and 224lbs, or 5'11" and closer to 280lbs?

I guess thats merely in keeping with Trump being unable to tell the truth about anything. I also seen him again trying to brag about taking a cognitive test. The interviewer said he too had taken the same test and Trump tried to boast the last 5 questions were very difficult; the guy interviewing him disagreed - and said the last of the difficult questions was merely counting back from hundred by 7 .. kinda guarantee Trump had failed that bit!  

* Its well known that Trump wears shoes 2-3 sizes too big because he is embarrassed about his small feet (also his small hands). I recon 5`11" and 280lbs is about where he is.


 
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Posted by: mert

6'3" and 224lbs, or 5'11" and closer to 280lbs?

His doctor says his good health is shown by not simply playing golf but "frequent victories in golf" so I would go with the former. All the photos of him looking shorter than people who are actually 6'3" are clearly the mainstream media photographers making him look bad.

Speaking of medicine and preselected answers. Good to see RFK is confident the causes of autism can be quickly sorted out, despite sacking of a few of the professionals. I expect "environmental factors" will turn out to be vaccines.


 
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I expect "environmental factors" will turn out to be vaccines.

He's appointed an anti-vaxxer to lead the investigation, so how could it be different?

 
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Put simply, the nonaligned voters in America have shifted against Trump over tariffs. This is significant because they are the largest political group in the US, at 37% of electors compared with 34% Democrats and 29% Republicans.

What interesting about the non-aligned / independents that voted for trump, especially younger ones, is that polled issue by issue they're against pretty much everything he ran on, and that he is doing. It seems they voted for him as a character / personality but are unsupportive of (and no doubt adversely affected by) his actions.

So we could see quite a radical swing to the democrats in the midterms. But... I doubt that matters. I think the pace of Trumps (or rather Project 2025s) actions demonstrate they know and expect the fun will be over on polling day Nov 2026. They know nothing they do is going to be popular, they just see this as a once only chance do what they want regardless of mandate, they just do what they want, as quickly as they can, while they can. 

They and Trump are after all not Republicans - they are cuckoos in the Republcan's nest and they don't care what state the leave the republican party in after they've taken what the want to take, and smashed what they want to smash.

The ruins will gladly be left for the democrat party to deal with.


 
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That assumes he'll accept an election defeat and not declare a state of emergency and himself president for life.


 
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Speaking of medicine and preselected answers. Good to see RFK is confident the causes of autism can be quickly sorted out, despite sacking of a few of the professionals. I expect "environmental factors" will turn out to be vaccines.

That's easy, just stop diagnosing Autism. Problem solved..........


 
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That assumes he'll accept an election defeat and not declare a state of emergency and himself president for life.

The current rumour de jour is he'll be declaring a state of emergency/invoking the Insurrection Act on 20th April. No need to wait for an election defeat.

 


 
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That's easy, just stop diagnosing Autism. Problem solved..........

Nah autism is an excuse to ban vaccines. Although the description of "autism" he was using did basically rule out all but the most severe cases.


 
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The current rumour de jour is he'll be declaring a state of emergency/invoking the Insurrection Act on 20th April.

Why the 20th? Is that when he rises again from the dead to bring in the final days?


 
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Posted by: Edukator

That assumes he'll accept an election defeat and not declare a state of emergency and himself president for life.

The current rumour de jour is he'll be declaring a state of emergency/invoking the Insurrection Act on 20th April. No need to wait for an election defeat.

 

I got some stick for suggesting that might happen before the midterms, so I'm intrigued by the idea of 20th April. I'm not seeing anything happening or likely to happen by then to even begin to convince folk it's necessary. 

 


 
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Posted by: MoreCashThanDash

I'm not seeing anything happening or likely to happen by then to even begin to convince folk it's necessary. 

Given its easter sunday I suspect its bollocks.


 
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The current rumour de jour is he'll be declaring a state of emergency/invoking the Insurrection Act on 20th April. No need to wait for an election defeat.

I fink someone is having a giraffe 🤣

Easter Sunday is a traditional Christian celebration of the Insurrection


 
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The current rumour de jour is he'll be declaring a state of emergency/invoking the Insurrection Act on 20th April. No need to wait for an election defeat.

I fink someone is having a giraffe 🤣

Easter Sunday is a traditional Christian celebration of the Insurrection

Easy mistake to make if you're an orange imbecile who doesn't understand big similar sounding words.

 


 
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Bad news for anyone hoping that it would be kicked into the long grass 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/17/donald-trump-says-he-is-expecting-to-make-second-state-visit-to-the-uk-in-september


 
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Donald Trump appears to be chummy with more European politicians than just Viktor Orban 

 

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250417-live-italian-prime-minister-giorgia-meloni-meets-trump-white-house


 
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He reckons he’s coming over in September. I’m sure there’s gonna be some creativity to the protests to get around the inevitably huge cordon that’s gonna be thrown up.

“They’re going to do a second, as you know, a second fest … that’s what it is: a fest, and it’s beautiful, and it’s the first time it’s ever happened to one person.”

What a knob. Waddafak is a fest?


 
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I’m sure there’s gonna be some creativity to the protests to get around the inevitably huge cordon that’s gonna be thrown up.

Well it will be interesting to see if the London Mayor will be backing the idea of a giant orange man-child balloon as he did when a Tory government invited Donald Trump on a state visit. Although I won't be holding my breath.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-44737293

London Mayor Sadiq Khan has given permission for the helium-filled six-metre (19.7ft) high balloon to fly.


 
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He reckons he’s coming over in September. I’m sure there’s gonna be some creativity to the protests to get around the inevitably huge cordon that’s gonna be thrown up.

“They’re going to do a second, as you know, a second fest … that’s what it is: a fest, and it’s beautiful, and it’s the first time it’s ever happened to one person.”

What a knob. Waddafak is a fest?

 

If he lands at prestwick there’s a few folk from Ayrshire I know who will undoubtedly be up to something very big either at prestwick or if he turns up at turnberry for golf, they do not give the slightest **** if they are arrested or what happens to them, last I heard they were buying drones.

 

 


 
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The current rumour de jour is he'll be declaring a state of emergency/invoking the Insurrection Act on 20th April. No need to wait for an election defeat.

IMHO to early (and as stated above a larf), I reckon they’ve still got more work to take control of courts and they’ve got a few court battles that will be used to unmask the left deep state and remove the courts that are blocking trump.

There’s a theory that the third term legal issue  could well be used as the trigger,if the courts don’t allow trumps name on the ballot. 

I think they will wait for some emergency to take advantage of it’s still only the beginning of his presidency so there’s plenty of time to build up some sort of  narrative to sell his takeover to his cult.

It’ll all be done legally (well this interpretation will be the most contorted ever)


 
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This nicely sums up much of Trump's agenda 

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/trumps-uni-crackdown-is-not-about-anti-semitism-harvard-professor


 
Posted : 18/04/2025 8:08 am
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Posted by: ernielynch

Donald Trump appears to be chummy with more European politicians than just Viktor Orban 

Well, she and Oban do operate in the same political space, so not a total surprise.

 


 
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Posted by: dudeofdoom

The current rumour de jour is he'll be declaring a state of emergency/invoking the Insurrection Act on 20th April. No need to wait for an election defeat.

IMHO to early (and as stated above a larf), I reckon they’ve still got more work to take control of courts and they’ve got a few court battles that will be used to unmask the left deep state and remove the courts that are blocking trump.

There’s a theory that the third term legal issue  could well be used as the trigger,if the courts don’t allow trumps name on the ballot. 

I think they will wait for some emergency to take advantage of it’s still only the beginning of his presidency so there’s plenty of time to build up some sort of  narrative to sell his takeover to his cult.

It’ll all be done legally (well this interpretation will be the most contorted ever)

Indulging the conspiracy theory, I think now is too soon, but he's sowing the seeds with the deportations,  SAVE act, stripping universities of their funding and independence. He needs some of these to get rejected by the courts to play his "will of the people card", and he needs it to happen before the midterms.

If he starts deporting "homegrowns" to El Salvadors prisons that may be the point things get serious. The Democrats are already discussing it by replacing the word "homegrowns" with "American citizens". The legal challenges will be huge, and deporting criminals and wrong uns is always popular until you get classed as a wrong un.

 


 
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